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Posted: 11/29/2014 2:25:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 2:39:50 PM EDT by Mr_Harry]
I was using an SGC-230 and a S9v31 for an antenna.

A few nights ago I was running JT-65 and the fuse for SG-230 blew
I replaced it and it blew again, at that point I planned to fix it later.

A couple of nights ago my wife was coming in from the store and said
she smelled plastic burning outside and I did not give it any thought.
(figuring it was probably a neighbor doing something)

Today I look out and my antenna is not there, I step out back and it has fallen over.
when I go outside I see that the tuner burned up, the large flowerpot I had covering
it burned up and the base of the antenna (fiberglass whip) also burned up.

When I say burned up I mean totally gone, just a pile of charred ash and plastic

So it looks like I'll be replacing t with a Hustler 6BTV After all.





Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:31:53 PM EDT
Sorry for the loss of your antenna, Mr. Harry. Never heard of a vertical burning down!
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:33:20 PM EDT
Wow, sorry to hear that!

Remind me not to put one of those tuners in my attic.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:37:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 7:19:49 PM EDT by Mr_Harry]
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Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:
Sorry for the loss of your antenna, Mr. Harry. Never heard of a vertical burning down!
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Ya gotta admit it's pretty funny
In all my years as a ham I've never seen that before.

For now it's more of an inconvenience than anything else,
I was thinking about replacing it so I could run higher power.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 2:37:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kekoa:
Wow, sorry to hear that!

Remind me not to put one of those tuners in my attic.
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Yes my wife said she was glad it was not on the roof.



Link Posted: 11/29/2014 5:12:05 PM EDT
Wow sorry to hear that, and that's crazy btw.

Wonder if that has happened to anyone else. Freak occurrence or coming disaster for many hams?

I'm glad I didnt get one now, I was about get the same model, but picked up an amp so I got the AT1000pro2 in the shack instead.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 5:44:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By strictlyb:
Wow sorry to hear that, and that's crazy btw.

Wonder if that has happened to anyone else. Freak occurrence or coming disaster for many hams?

I'm glad I didnt get one now, I was about get the same model, but picked up an amp so I got the AT1000pro2 in the shack instead.
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I think it's a freak occurrence.

It's more of an inconvenience than anything else.
I've been thinking about replacing it, the timing is just a little bad.

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:01:31 PM EDT
Wow! So no DC power because the fuse was blown, and no TX power. That means it was spontaneous combustion or enemy action!
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:02:39 PM EDT


CQ CQ CQ ... Hello? Is this thing on?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:27:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KwaiChangCaine:
Wow! So no DC power because the fuse was blown, and no TX power. That means it was spontaneous combustion or enemy action!
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It probably lit on fire as I was transmitting and then blew the fuse

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:27:43 PM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/CFLkZ0q.gif

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Pretty much

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:38:16 PM EDT
Just kidding about the camp fire pic!

Were you running a lot of power at the time?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:51:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:
Just kidding about the camp fire pic!

Were you running a lot of power at the time?
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No problem, it's a bit comical that it burned like that.


If I recall I turned it up to 100 watts on 160 so not huge power (and within the ratings)
I think it was a freak thing, but now I can get the 6BTV and someday an amp.

At least I'm still on 6 meters and up


Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:15:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2014 9:46:19 AM EDT by HogSniper]
Wow, that sucks! Sorry for the antenna loss Mr_Harry. I got a feeling that won't keep you down long.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 11:49:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:



No problem, it's a bit comical that it burned like that.
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Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:
Just kidding about the camp fire pic!

Were you running a lot of power at the time?



No problem, it's a bit comical that it burned like that.
Comical? Damn, dude, those SG230's don't grow on trees! That was a chunk of change burned up
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 12:53:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Comical? Damn, dude, those SG230's don't grow on trees! That was a chunk of change burned up
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Originally Posted By aa777888-2:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
Originally Posted By BigDaddy0004:
Just kidding about the camp fire pic!

Were you running a lot of power at the time?



No problem, it's a bit comical that it burned like that.
Comical? Damn, dude, those SG230's don't grow on trees! That was a chunk of change burned up



Yes they are pricey, but it could have bean far worse.

Comical because it burned away to nothing.


Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:01:39 PM EDT
You need a man's tuner.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:06:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/30/2014 1:20:35 PM EDT by K9-Bob]
My guess it that the due to the extreme mismatch at 160m caused the wire insulation to breakdown and cause the antenna to catch fire.

I remember reading a QST article where another ham had a similar experience and burned up his antenna and tuner.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:30:34 PM EDT
Holy crap !!!

You don't hear that every day.

That being said, loading a 31 foot vertical on 160 gives you some high voltage on the tuner.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:34:26 PM EDT
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The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 1:34:49 PM EDT
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double tap
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:06:59 PM EDT
I've actually hear a few stories of those tuners shorting and going up in smoke…proof that you're only cheating yourself with a tuner, especially after you have to replace it.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:29:13 PM EDT
Well on the bright side it looks like I'll just have to buy an amp
Since I have to replace the antenna anyhow
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:43:32 PM EDT
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I've actually hear a few stories of those tuners shorting and going up in smoke…proof that you're only cheating yourself with a tuner, especially after you have to replace it.
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Cheating yourself.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 4:12:51 PM EDT
My tuner smoked, but not nearly in this dramatic a fashion. In fact, despite a strong smoke odor, I couldn't find anything visible inside. I suspect one of the relays arc'ed over internally.

In fact I now suspect the original tuner was defective out of the box. The new (repaired) one seems to tune much quicker, and will give me a green light on every ham band above 40m.

Link Posted: 11/30/2014 4:42:43 PM EDT
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The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.
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Originally Posted By 444:
Originally Posted By Elijah1:
You need a man's tuner.



The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.


I believe that was made by Palstar for a while. Palstar has this new one now. I did own one of the HF Autos for a month, it was a piece of shit.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 5:34:22 PM EDT
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I believe that was made by Palstar for a while. Palstar has this new one now. I did own one of the HF Autos for a month, it was a piece of shit.
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Originally Posted By Elijah1:
Originally Posted By 444:
Originally Posted By Elijah1:
You need a man's tuner.



The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.


I believe that was made by Palstar for a while. Palstar has this new one now. I did own one of the HF Autos for a month, it was a piece of shit.



Again, I am NOT talking about the AT Auto, I am talking about a totally new tuner this guy is supposed to be coming out with.

FWIW: I own a Palstar AT-Auto as well as a Palstar HF-Auto and they are FAR from a piece of shit. Either one is easily one of the top two or three antenna tuners ever made. The website I posted the link to is the guy that originally designed and built the AT-Auto. He had a falling out with Palstar and went off on his own. Palstar later came out with the HF-Auto which is a totally different tuner than the AT-Auto. This guy had a tuner at Dayton that was MASSIVE and used vacume variable caps etc. It was designed to be remote mounted. I am on his Yahoo Group and have been for years. He has been talking about this tuner for a few years now and other than the one at Dayton, I question whether any others actually exist. But he keeps saying he is going to start producing them.

Another FWIW: this guy has a PHD and was an A-10 pilot.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 5:36:10 PM EDT
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Again, I am NOT talking about the AT Auto, I am talking about a totally new tuner this guy is supposed to be coming out with.

FWIW: I own a Palstar AT-Auto as well as a Palstar HF-Auto and they are FAR from a piece of shit. Either one is easily one of the top two or three antenna tuners ever made. The website I posted the link to is the guy that originally designed and built the AT-Auto. He had a falling out with Palstar and went off on his own. Palstar later came out with the HF-Auto which is a different tuner than the AT-Auto. This guy had a tuner at Dayton that was MASSIVE and used vacume variable caps etc. It was designed to be remote mounted.

Another FWIW: this guy has a PHD and was an A-10 pilot.
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Originally Posted By 444:
Originally Posted By Elijah1:
Originally Posted By 444:
Originally Posted By Elijah1:
You need a man's tuner.



The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.


I believe that was made by Palstar for a while. Palstar has this new one now. I did own one of the HF Autos for a month, it was a piece of shit.



Again, I am NOT talking about the AT Auto, I am talking about a totally new tuner this guy is supposed to be coming out with.

FWIW: I own a Palstar AT-Auto as well as a Palstar HF-Auto and they are FAR from a piece of shit. Either one is easily one of the top two or three antenna tuners ever made. The website I posted the link to is the guy that originally designed and built the AT-Auto. He had a falling out with Palstar and went off on his own. Palstar later came out with the HF-Auto which is a different tuner than the AT-Auto. This guy had a tuner at Dayton that was MASSIVE and used vacume variable caps etc. It was designed to be remote mounted.

Another FWIW: this guy has a PHD and was an A-10 pilot.


Can't wait to see what he has come out with. Do you have any problems with common mode currents and stray RFI getting in to your HF-Auto?

Link Posted: 11/30/2014 5:39:00 PM EDT
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Can't wait to see what he has come out with. Do you have any problems with common mode currents and stray RFI getting in to your HF-Auto?

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Originally Posted By Elijah1:
Originally Posted By 444:
Originally Posted By Elijah1:
You need a man's tuner.



The tuner this guy had at Dayton puts that to shame. However at this point it's vaporware.

I am NOT talking about the AT Auto. He is supposed to be coming out with a new one and he had a prototype at Dayton.


I believe that was made by Palstar for a while. Palstar has this new one now. I did own one of the HF Autos for a month, it was a piece of shit.



Again, I am NOT talking about the AT Auto, I am talking about a totally new tuner this guy is supposed to be coming out with.

FWIW: I own a Palstar AT-Auto as well as a Palstar HF-Auto and they are FAR from a piece of shit. Either one is easily one of the top two or three antenna tuners ever made. The website I posted the link to is the guy that originally designed and built the AT-Auto. He had a falling out with Palstar and went off on his own. Palstar later came out with the HF-Auto which is a different tuner than the AT-Auto. This guy had a tuner at Dayton that was MASSIVE and used vacume variable caps etc. It was designed to be remote mounted.

Another FWIW: this guy has a PHD and was an A-10 pilot.


Can't wait to see what he has come out with. Do you have any problems with common mode currents and stray RFI getting in to your HF-Auto?



No, but I do have things about it that I don't like. Stuff that the earlier AT-Auto had.
I actually run my HF-Auto in bypass most of the time unless I am running an amplifier; which is rarely. I normally have the tuner in bypass and use the rig's built in tuner. All of my rigs have built in tuners and it is just easier to use that one.
If you want an auto-tuner, there are very few that will handle legal limit power. That is the main reason I even have one.

At the ARRL Centennial convention, I bought a new amplifier: a Expert Amps 2k amp. It has a built in tuner, so I may not even use my Palstar tuners in the future. But, I haven't even taken the new amp out of the box and I have had it for months. Again, I am not big on running an amp, in fact I am pretty big on QRP; But, there are times when an amp is nice. When I run SSB I often use an amp. But I don't operate a lot of SSB
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 5:41:49 PM EDT
I keep holding out for a palstar 2k.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 5:42:41 PM EDT
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My HF-Auto would turn on and off with each dit and dah on 20m above 1kW. It went back to see Paul at Palstar twice, he could never figure it out. He said that it had to be RFI getting in to the tuner. Mind you, I have an extensive ground system and a 1:1 choke balun at the feedline's entrance in to the shack. It also didn't like 30m much, it could never find a good place to tune to.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 6:14:35 PM EDT
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My HF-Auto would turn on and off with each dit and dah on 20m above 1kW. It went back to see Paul at Palstar twice, he could never figure it out. He said that it had to be RFI getting in to the tuner. Mind you, I have an extensive ground system and a 1:1 choke balun at the feedline's entrance in to the shack. It also didn't like 30m much, it could never find a good place to tune to.
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Well that's your problem.........I don't have any ground
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