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That buck this is his core area, so after the bachelor groups of bucks split up thats his home. Now once the rut starts kicking in you should see more bucks sniffing around for those does.
There is really nthing you can do to bring different deer in, look around for another spot. |
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I don't know how much land you're on, or what your neighbors are like, but if you keep shooting a few does per year, and let all the young bucks walk. in 3 years or so you'll have a better ratio, more mature deer and a better fawn crop. This translates into more, bigger and healthier bucks.
Good luck! |
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if the does stay, other bucks will come in.
when that happens, rattling might work. but as said above, you are in the core area of that buck you keep seeing. and obviosly in a good spot for the area. |
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They are likely already there, you just are not seeing them. Especially with the salt lick. Keep the pressure low and come rut you ought to have the big boys showing up in the day lite hours.
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Your area just may not support multiple bucks that are decent.
My area is heavily hunted, tons of hunting camps on little acreage with a ton of guys hitting the state land bordering them. Almost every buck killed in my county was 1 1/2 years of age. Sure now and again someone got a decent one, and on rare occasions even a real good one. Basically they are mountain deer scratching out a living, the herd had been shot out years ago and never got a chance to recover, very low doe population. So I got together with several neighbors and we made a deal not to shoot does, and nothing less than a 4 point, then we made it 5 points the next year and for the last few years it has to have 6points. A few of us put in small plots and the trail cam pics have shown us more and much better bucks and the deer hunting itself for the hard core hunters has dramatically improved. The more does that live the more fawns they drop. The more does coming into estrus increases the odds of more and potentially better bucks hanging in the area or coming into the area. Some say we need to kill some does but the theory of a 1 to 1 ration or 2 to 1 maybe great in some farmland area but it holds no water when the herd numbers are so low. Perhaps you might stop killing the does. Pass on the little ones and see what happens. Yes, you have no control over the others who may kill that buck or doe you just passed on, but if everyone thinks the same it may never improve your chances. |
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I am fortunate enough to hunt on private land with no public land nearby and very few hunters in the area. I am not deep into the woods which may be part of the problem. I might try some doe urine out and also moving the camera around.
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Are you hunting over the blocks/licks?
Eta: and have you set any cams up in other nearby areas? Have you seen any bigger bucks nearby? |
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I've been killing big bucks for 25 years, you don't hunt for the big bucks. you hunt where the does are and let them bring them in.
Does = Live Bait |
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Are you hunting over the blocks/licks? Eta: and have you set any cams up in other nearby areas? Have you seen any bigger bucks nearby? View Quote I just set them out about two weeks ago. I have not hunted them and will not be until mid-November rifle season. I have see bigger ones, just not that often, and no good shots. I was mainly just looking for ways of attracting more. Might just need to be more patient. |
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Doe piss right now isn't going to bring in the big bucks. Not quite time yet. Maybe in two or three weeks.
If you're after the really big bucks, it's all about location and playing the wind. Luck helps too. |
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Your area just may not support multiple bucks that are decent. My area is heavily hunted, tons of hunting camps on little acreage with a ton of guys hitting the state land bordering them. Almost every buck killed in my county was 1 1/2 years of age. Sure now and again someone got a decent one, and on rare occasions even a real good one. Basically they are mountain deer scratching out a living, the herd had been shot out years ago and never got a chance to recover, very low doe population. So I got together with several neighbors and we made a deal not to shoot does, and nothing less than a 4 point, then we made it 5 points the next year and for the last few years it has to have 6points. A few of us put in small plots and the trail cam pics have shown us more and much better bucks and the deer hunting itself for the hard core hunters has dramatically improved. The more does that live the more fawns they drop. The more does coming into estrus increases the odds of more and potentially better bucks hanging in the area or coming into the area. Some say we need to kill some does but the theory of a 1 to 1 ration or 2 to 1 maybe great in some farmland area but it holds no water when the herd numbers are so low. Perhaps you might stop killing the does. Pass on the little ones and see what happens. Yes, you have no control over the others who may kill that buck or doe you just passed on, but if everyone thinks the same it may never improve your chances. View Quote No offense, but leaving does and shooting bucks based on points is a horrible management practice and has been proven unequivocally not to work. |
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No offense, but leaving does and shooting bucks based on points is a horrible management practice and has been proven unequivocally not to work. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your area just may not support multiple bucks that are decent. My area is heavily hunted, tons of hunting camps on little acreage with a ton of guys hitting the state land bordering them. Almost every buck killed in my county was 1 1/2 years of age. Sure now and again someone got a decent one, and on rare occasions even a real good one. Basically they are mountain deer scratching out a living, the herd had been shot out years ago and never got a chance to recover, very low doe population. So I got together with several neighbors and we made a deal not to shoot does, and nothing less than a 4 point, then we made it 5 points the next year and for the last few years it has to have 6points. A few of us put in small plots and the trail cam pics have shown us more and much better bucks and the deer hunting itself for the hard core hunters has dramatically improved. The more does that live the more fawns they drop. The more does coming into estrus increases the odds of more and potentially better bucks hanging in the area or coming into the area. Some say we need to kill some does but the theory of a 1 to 1 ration or 2 to 1 maybe great in some farmland area but it holds no water when the herd numbers are so low. Perhaps you might stop killing the does. Pass on the little ones and see what happens. Yes, you have no control over the others who may kill that buck or doe you just passed on, but if everyone thinks the same it may never improve your chances. No offense, but leaving does and shooting bucks based on points is a horrible management practice and has been proven unequivocally not to work. Beat me to it; you need to take some does as well. |
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Around here you would mock up a scrape line , refreshing it through the season. Rattling and grunting. If your area is not holding the big boy then you will need to pull him in, they travel but you want him to see your area as an oasis. Feed the does and keep them there, challenge the bucks, simple recipe really.
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I'm having the same problem as OP in one of my hunting areas. I'm seeing very few bucks and only a couple of does. I have dense woods plots of 40-50 acres with several narrow hay fields breaking it up. A 2 acre pond sits in one of the dense wood plots near the edge of one field. The land totals close to 300 acres. All of this has several tobacco fields surrounding it. I'm thinking this area is about as good as it gets for this area of NC, just not enough deer. I think poaching is a problem in this county, but that still doesn't explain why they aren't hanging out here.
I wonder if a corn feeder (like from Walmart) would keep or attract does and bucks in my area? I'm going to try peanut butter first and then move up to a feeder. Konger |
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Wait till the rut kicks in , as posted above. The outside bucks will be coming by for some "strange". Happens every year. Where I used to live the deer were so familiar that each had a name. Come the rut and all kinds of new bucks showed up. Be patient.
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Be careful. I think your moving the acorns would run afoul of baiting laws in Missouri. Apparently the mineral blocks are ok as long as they don't have grain in them.
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I just set them out about two weeks ago. I have not hunted them and will not be until mid-November rifle season. I have see bigger ones, just not that often, and no good shots. I was mainly just looking for ways of attracting more. Might just need to be more patient. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you hunting over the blocks/licks? Eta: and have you set any cams up in other nearby areas? Have you seen any bigger bucks nearby? I just set them out about two weeks ago. I have not hunted them and will not be until mid-November rifle season. I have see bigger ones, just not that often, and no good shots. I was mainly just looking for ways of attracting more. Might just need to be more patient. |
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Having control of 500 acres obviously allows your management efforts to have a direct impact on the deer.
Don Kisky had a farm that he was able to grow giants on it. Why? He has huge food sources, good soil, the better genetics does not hurt but it was on 450 acres which allowed him to hold deer to give them age. You get to do this when you have control of large tracts. Not happening in my scenario and it is a proven fact that bucks will disperse from there birth area from 6 months to 1 1/2 years of age. So if half the fawns dropped are bucks and they disperse nothing guarantees you can attract an equal number of bucks to your area unless you have something to hold them. Again food, cover and does. We can only work with what we have. |
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May have to just deal with it then. I mostly hunt for meat and it is a great transit area for lots of deer and easy to get them out. Just wanted to grab a decent buck. I shot a decent size 8 point there at about the same spot a couple of years before. <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300326.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300326.jpg</a> <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300324.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300324.jpg</a> <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300323.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300323.jpg</a> View Quote Every time I see a rifle and a deer together I get pissed off that I live in Ohio. |
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Having control of 500 acres obviously allows your management efforts to have a direct impact on the deer. Don Kisky had a farm that he was able to grow giants on it. Why? He has huge food sources, good soil, the better genetics does not hurt but it was on 450 acres which allowed him to hold deer to give them age. You get to do this when you have control of large tracts. Not happening in my scenario and it is a proven fact that bucks will disperse from there birth area from 6 months to 1 1/2 years of age. So if half the fawns dropped are bucks and they disperse nothing guarantees you can attract an equal number of bucks to your area unless you have something to hold them. Again food, cover and does. We can only work with what we have. View Quote Having more does does NOT attract more deer. If you have 1000000 does on a piece of land that will only support 20 deer, you aren't going to magically draw in more bucks. You may get a couple new ones passing through during the peak of the rut but they won't stay and they damn sure wont be predictable. I guess I'm thinking like a manager and you're thinking like a guy that leases 75 acres and expects to kill a trophy the first year. I'm telling you, if you manage the place for age, you will see more and bigger bucks. I've worked in, on and around ranches most of my life. But hey, you know your stuff. I give up. Fuck science. |
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Well checked the camera again and so a bit bigger deer, a silurko In a lot of pics some does kept looking behind them so I am thinking there may be another bigger buck lurking.
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what are the available crops in your area? When I was a kid growing up my dad and his friends took giant bucks every year. The, as the family dairy farm wound down and they planted less and eventually no corn, the deer herd was noticeably affected. In the past few years they have started planting again and I'm seeing big buck again, took a ten point last year.
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May have to just deal with it then. I mostly hunt for meat and it is a great transit area for lots of deer and easy to get them out. Just wanted to grab a decent buck. I shot a decent size 8 point there at about the same spot a couple of years before. <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300326.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300326.jpg</a> <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300324.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300324.jpg</a> <a href="http://s5.photobucket.com/user/truth10k/media/S6300323.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/truth10k/S6300323.jpg</a> View Quote This deer is upside down if hunting for meat. You dont want the blood pooling in the rear quarters. The answer to your question is wait. Let the deer get bigger. That guy who comes by at night may change his tune during the rut. |
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