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HF during disasters is what we have the State Guard for. We might have HF equipment, but everything Mother Army does these days is satellite based or VHF. Using all the capabilities of the radios we're issued? Please. We can barely take inventory of what we have. View Quote I may have mentioned before that disasters are come-as-you-are parties. The folks down here were mostly caught flat-footed. HF is becoming a lost art both in the military and on the civilian public safety side. When all their spiffy new digital cell-based public safety net was clobbered into oblivion, they had no backup. None. Very few NG units were able to muster up a set of HF radios and people that knew how to use them. FEMA's response was to requisition a boatload of sat phones and sit on their hands until they arrived. Then, they found out how useless they actually are in practical use. For example, they must be outside to use them, can't receive a call indoors, not that it mattered because nobody knew what the phone numbers were anyway, and of course, they have to be charged frequently. How useful do you expect they'd be for a hospital or shelter? So, then, they embarked on getting a set of 4 repeaters on line for VHF. And, they requisitioned a boatload of VHF radios and waited. They also requisitioned numerous satellite broadband units. And waited. By the time all that satcom equipment was on the island, the satellites and their service providers were overloaded. I'm hopeful that some folks are taking the hard lessons learned down here to heart. There is some evidence of this with these recent exercises with MARS and the ham community using the 60m interop channels and some of the recent SHARES exercises. That whole "Let's pretend the grid is down and see how well we can communicate" sounds ridiculous on its face, until you realize that's precisely what happened down here. No power, no cell, no land lines, no internet, no repeaters, nothing, and no way to communicate with anybody. What little satcom there was was offline until they could re-erect the dishes and get them aligned and such. The folks dumb enough to have left their satcom dishes outside saw them destroyed. |
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Puerto Rico has perfected levitation?
ETA: Point taken about HF. Mother Army's response is to reserve bandwidth on a military satellite and assign that to a specific unit, and VHF coms back to that. Maybe the Navy still does HF coms, but when I was a Navy Reserve radio type, everything we practiced was satellite & VHF. |
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Puerto Rico has perfected levitation? ETA: Point taken about HF. Mother Army's response is to reserve bandwidth on a military satellite and assign that to a specific unit, and VHF coms back to that. Maybe the Navy still does HF coms, but when I was a Navy Reserve radio type, everything we practiced was satellite & VHF. View Quote ![]() The problem with depending on all the "modern" methods of communications is that they can and do frequently fail at the very time they're needed the most. Not that HF is always 100% but for the most part, when other methods fail, HF usually works. Speaking of which, I think today I'd like to stay on 14067.5 for the 2230Z, 1730E QSO. I've been trying on 40M the last 3-4 days and it's just not workable right at dusk, not to mention the ridiculous environmental noise there is in this vicinity. |
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![]() Speaking of which, I think today I'd like to stay on 14067.5 for the 2230Z, 1730E QSO. I've been trying on 40M the last 3-4 days and it's just not workable right at dusk, not to mention the ridiculous environmental noise there is in this vicinity. View Quote |
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Well, station is going QRT this morning. There's a break in the rain and thunderstorms so we're going to take down the antennas while we can. Forecast is calling for showers and thunderstorms thru Sunday. My team mate leaves Saturday and I leave Sunday. If something important comes up, I always have the mobile antenna I can rig up if I have to.
I appreciate all the folks who were on the air listening and giving me feedback. It has been an interesting experience. When I can get the time in the next few days, I'll do up a proper AAR and post it here to tie a ribbon on the thread. |
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Thank you for your service Planemaker,
and especially for all the great updates. |
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Thank you Planemaker.
This has prompted me to get the old HF radio all setup with HDR. ![]() |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanks again for the quarters, and for serving our country in a time of need. |
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Thanks for all that you've done Planemaker!
I'm looking forward to reading your AAR. |
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As a resident of Puerto Rico thanks for coming down to the island and helping in the recovery effort.
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As a resident of Puerto Rico thanks for coming down to the island and helping in the recovery effort. View Quote ![]() It was an honor and privilege to help. I met tons of very warm, friendly people, ate food that I didn't recognize, saw some beautiful countryside, relearned some Spanish (including different words for things than what I learned growing up in Texas), and learned a lot about PR that I didn't know. My only regret is that I had to leave while things are still royally screwed up for so many people. |
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@planemaker: interesting AAR Part 1. I would be very interested in the following topic for AAR Part 2:
- There doesn't appear to be any coaxial cable on the list. Did you know that some would be on the island waiting for you? - Far less cordage than I would have thought necessary? - No water purification or storage method, either. Did you assume bottled water would be plentiful? - What didn't get used? - What did you wish you had brought (more of)? And, of greatest interest, your load-out, in terms of cubic inches, 3 large cases plus two backpacks, has always seemed like the minimum to me (although I always envisioned a different mix of gear). But the logistics of moving all of that stuff, and guaranteeing it would get where it needed to be, seems almost insurmountable if you are on your own. After that first skycap back in civilization was well in the proverbial rear view mirror, how did you manage that problem? Thanks, aa |
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I'm going to be reading and re-reading this thread and your AAR especially as I await word about my on deployment to PR. Mine is through work so I won't be doing much HF (still on the fence on whether I'm going to bring any HF gear at all), but I really appreciate your posts and insights nonetheless.
Yesterday my Powerfilm 30W foldable panel and Genasun charge MPPT controller arrived*, and I'll be picking up a second and maybe third 4S LiFePO4 battery here locally. I'll be relying on bottled water as a primary source, with my various filters and other purification methods as backup. We will likely be staying in San Juan and heading out around the island on day trips to put up microwave shots, so I'm not too worried about austere conditions, but I will be prepared. *Thanks to @echomancer for the recommendation on the tweeter edit: Quoted:
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@planemaker: interesting AAR Part 1. I would be very interested in the following topic for AAR Part 2: - There doesn't appear to be any coaxial cable on the list. Did you know that some would be on the island waiting for you? - Far less cordage than I would have thought necessary? - No water purification or storage method, either. Did you assume bottled water would be plentiful? - What didn't get used? - What did you wish you had brought (more of)? And, of greatest interest, your load-out, in terms of cubic inches, 3 large cases plus two backpacks, has always seemed like the minimum to me (although I always envisioned a different mix of gear). But the logistics of moving all of that stuff, and guaranteeing it would get where it needed to be, seems almost insurmountable if you are on your own. After that first skycap back in civilization was well in the proverbial rear view mirror, how did you manage that problem? Thanks, aa View Quote Coax - Item 5 on the radio gear list above, 25ft. of LMR-400, just sayin' ![]() Cordage - that was just what I had in the radio gear loadout, see below for what I carried elsewhere Other - I mentioned that I had a "survival" backpack, aka GHB/BOB/ICSALL* bag that had water filters, purification tablets, cooking set, 3-days change of clothes and toiletries, "shelter" kit, 1 50ft 1100 para and 1 50ft 550 paracord, firemaking gear, 1.5L plastic water bottle, 2x Mountain House meal pouch, snacks (beef sticks with bacon added, nuts, shelf-stable sandwich), miniature binoculars, 4x climbing carabiners, assorted other stuff, and my Yaesu VX-8DR HT. * - ICSALL - In Case Stoopid Airline Loses Luggage Rolling duffels are 30"x15"x15" so ~6000 cu in. net volume Hard Side case with sugar skulls on outside - 22*x14"x12" so ~3500 cu in. Survival backpack is older Camelback something like a BFM around 3200cu in. Top-loading backpack is roughly 16"x12"x10" beveled top so maybe 1800cu in. Fishing Rod holder tube for Antenna and mast is 52" long x ~4" diameter. I ended up having to "stack" stuff and have them all arranged in just the right order to be able to drag them from place to place. That worked pretty well until I had to drag stuff from the ship to the rental car to go to Ponce and I realized the one duffel bag had one of it's wheels (and the left side of it's base) pretty well destroyed so it didn't roll for crap. Ended up buying a replacement duffel down there. Part of the problem was having to deal with getting a lot of gear someplace as checked baggage. Checked bags have limits on both weight and size. I'd bought a 5.11 CAMS rolling duffel that was 40" long and 15.5" wide. But, I couldn't fill it up and stay under the 70lb. limit for oversized baggage. If I'd taken that full, it would have been $100 for the oversize and another $150 for over weight in addition to the basic 2nd bag fee. So, I used the two smaller duffels and kept the weight of each to less than 50lbs. Did I mention hauling that much gear down there was a royal PITA? ![]() My main assumptions going in were that I might need my own power (especially for my CPAP at night), I might need my own way of getting drinkable water, I might be sleeping in a provided tent on a cot (so no sleeping bag, just a sleeping pad), and that it would be too hot for needing a blanket anyway. Had I been going off to the wilderness, I would have had to have a tent and warm weather sleeping bag or sheet/cover. More when I get more pics transferred from my fone. |
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Great write up!
Deploying with the restrictions imposed (weight/size,ect) sounds like the makings of some interesting trials. |
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Thanks for volunteering, and for the great AAR!
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Thanks for your service! The first hand information you provided is invaluable for the ham community.
The fact that FEMA was disorganized is not surprising. What really surprised me was that National Guard was poorly organised and prepared. I hope that US military, Navy and Airforce are not like that. If they are, God help us all. |
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Thanks for your service! The first hand information you provided is invaluable for the ham community. The fact that FEMA was disorganized is not surprising. What really surprised me was that National Guard was poorly organised and prepared. I hope that US military, Navy and Airforce are not like that. If they are, God help us all. View Quote |
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What are they going to do if they face a real war and communication satellites are disabled? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hope that US military, Navy and Airforce are not like that. If they are, God help us all. View Quote Some people "get" comm's. Most people don't. |
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Quoted: Thanks for your service! The first hand information you provided is invaluable for the ham community.
The fact that FEMA was disorganized is not surprising. What really surprised me was that National Guard was poorly organised and prepared. I hope that US military, Navy and Airforce are not like that. If they are, God help us all. View Quote |
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In fairness to the 52 other National Guards, this is the Puerto Rico National Guard we're talking about. That said, I'm betting my S-6 shop hasn't tried to execute HF in years. When I was a radioman in the Navy Reserve, I never touched HF, and that was 12 years ago. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Thanks for your service! The first hand information you provided is invaluable for the ham community.
The fact that FEMA was disorganized is not surprising. What really surprised me was that National Guard was poorly organised and prepared. I hope that US military, Navy and Airforce are not like that. If they are, God help us all. ![]() I will say that the group we trained were enthusiastic about learning how to communicate. The fact that cell service was still useless most of the time probably solidified the need for an alternative in their minds. The young lady that made the first call and got a Lima Charlie from San Juan was on cloud 9. The whole group stepped up and took ownership. The LT was saying that he thinks all soldiers need to be communicators. He's right. Especially when part of your job is to respond to a major disaster. |
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I neglected to mention that I played a little bit with the MFJ-1699 multi-band portable antenna. I put it on the RigExpert and got some interesting results. Basically, it does indeed get down to the 1.1-1.5 SWR range on 20 and 40. However, the bandwidth is microscopic. Essentially, it's a one frequency at a time device. At that exact frequency, it probably does quite well, particularly if you have it on a nice ground plane like a mag mount on the roof of your car. Don't plan on using it off that frequency unless you go out and lengthen or retract the whip. An antenna analyzer is a must for it to be useful. It is nicely portable, though.
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Another thing about the PRNG.
National Guards are pretty much STATE run and if the state is corrupt it's a good bet the NG is also. Some states are extremely political about promotions in the NG and I have heard a LOT of Guardsman going active duty simply to get promoted fairly. Of course, corruption breeds incompetence and while I am not going to point a finger at the PRNG as such, I will say 'if the shoe fits...." |
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On the October 25 episode, Christian from the 100 Watts and a Wire podcast said he would like to hear from hams that volunteered for duty in Puerto Rico after the hurricane. Should you be interested, his email address is [email protected]. |
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@planemaker On the October 25 episode, Christian from the 100 Watts and a Wire podcast said he would like to hear from hams that volunteered for duty in Puerto Rico after the hurricane. Should you be interested, his email address is [email protected]. View Quote It will be interesting to see if the SHARES program that I was associated with steps up to the plate and gets a group set up do "deploy" HF comms to disasters. The Red Cross had the right idea - get ham boots on the ground as soon as possible but they just had too few to really get widespread comms for the island. What SHARES ought to consider is getting sets of gear they can deploy with so folks like me don't have to lug their own stuff. I'm supposed to participate in a group AAR on Wednesday so maybe I'll find out what the folks are thinking. |
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Quoted: In fairness to the 52 other National Guards, this is the Puerto Rico National Guard we're talking about. That said, I'm betting my S-6 shop hasn't tried to execute HF in years. When I was a radioman in the Navy Reserve, I never touched HF, and that was 12 years ago. View Quote |
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>>Some comments I made on another ham forum about the various organizations that used radio operators down there:
A few comments in no particular order: - Immediately after the hurricane there was no grid power, no running water anywhere that was drinkable, no cell service, no land lines, nothing. Basically, 3.4 million people went from the 21st century to the 18th in a few hours. - The ARC was hopelessly outclassed by the magnitude of the destruction Maria inflicted. - FEMA was hopelessly outclassed by the magnitude of the destruction Maria inflicted. And, this was the 4th disaster they had been responding to in the span of a couple of months. - It appeared to me that the ARC didn't coordinate with FEMA a-priori or in-situ to determine where the most critical communications needs were. As I heard it, ARC picked the spots they wanted the hams to go to and sent them there. I think that's reasonable since ARC was footing the bill for their travel and, I assume, their lodging (although some folks used FEMA-provided lodging). - It was abundantly obvious to me that the FEMA ESF-2 function in San Juan had no idea what to use HF communications for or how to employ them. Further, they rather pointedly indicated that their first priority was to "Get Feds talking to other Feds". Let that sink in for a minute. To be fair, they eventually did recognize that folks other than Feds needed to communicate. But, again, their response was ridiculously ineffective in some cases. Handing a hospital a satphone and saying they "have comms" now is silly since (a) you have to be outside to use it - which doctors and nurses wouldn't be (b) you have to be outside to RECEIVE a call - which doctors and nurses wouldn't be and (c) nobody had any idea what phone numbers to call or even what their own phone number was. A hospital that needed oxygen from another hospital across town had no way of calling them even though both "had comms". - The original mission for the SHARES folks that went down there was to provide critical comms at locations that needed them. It was FEMA's job to determine where those were. But, recognize there were only 10 of us. See the point above for how well you think that might work out. - Oscar Resto, KP4**, was a great resource and an extremely bright guy. It's too bad ESF-2 didn't make better use of his talents. - I used Winlink with the Winmor sw modem while I was down there. I used an RMS gateway from one of the previous posters at least a couple of times while I was down there along with several others. It was a crap shoot which ones I could reach and which ones were actually operating at the time I tried to use them. Thanks to all those folks who had a station running and especially those who pointed their antennas at PR. - Many of my SHARES team mates had Pactor 3 or 4 modems. They could connect more often than I could, particularly when band conditions or local noise levels were bad. The throughput they got was also much better than Winmor. I can't see spending the big bucks for one myself, but I could see the SHARES program picking up a few for deployments, assuming they plan to do them in the future. >>There was also a big discussion over there about the role of the hams, ARRL, and the ARC vs. the federal SHARES folks so I made these comments: From my perspective, it would be entirely reasonable for the ARC (and other NGOs like Salvation Army, Team Rubicon, etc.) to want to: - provide Safe and Well transmission capabilities to each of the shelters they are responsible for, - provide a method for communicating and coordinating the deliveries of needed supplies to and from those shelters, - provide a method for transmitting their daily status and census to PREMA/FEMA, - provide a method for transmitting urgent requests to PREMA/FEMA for those things beyond their ability to handle themselves In addition, PREMA/FEMA should have had the ability to: - provide communications for hospitals to be able to communicate with each other and to PREMA/FEMA - provide communications for local public safety agencies like EMS, fire, and police as well as municipal agencies such as the power, water, and sewer departments (remember, there was no running water on the island right after the hurricane) - provide communications for assessment teams to relay information in real-time back to the command center - provide backup communications for PREMA/FEMA satellite offices for those times when critical communications needs occur during failures of other modes (which happened frequently while I was there) - provide a means to communicate and coordinate with the National Guard and DoD units that were deployed in real time (Although many of the PRNG and Army units did not have HF ability but that's a problem unto itself) Both PREMA/FEMA and the ARC totally underestimated the scope of the disaster and both they and ARRL did not end up getting sufficient numbers to overcome the complete devastation of the <entire> communications infrastructure. So, they were caught flat-footed and lots of places didn't have comms. Both the volunteer hams and the local hams did a great job, with many of the locals that I met working very long hours even though they themselves were dramatically impacted by the storm. Sending the hams to hospitals was good, but wasn't/isn't the ARC's job, it was PREMA/FEMAs, and in any event the response between the two of them was woefully insufficient. In the case of SHARES, there were only 10 of us so our usefulness was limited by that and by the fact it took us so long to get down there. (I was the first and got there on Oct. 13th, the hurricane hit on September 20). Although, keep in mind, this was the first ever SHARES "deployment" so we were learning as we went. In addition, all of the above should have had communications "go kits" with HF and VHF (and some would argue satcom) abilities. Beyond that, they should have "stay alive kits" such that these first responders don't become just another mouth to feed by locals who were unable to deal with their own needs, much less added people. All of them should have had the ability to operate without grid power but few of us did. I brought both a solar panel charger and a Bioenno PowerPack400 that I used the whole time I was there. When we had grid power, I plugged in the wall charger but kept running from the battery. Grid power, as it was being restored, was unstable in the extreme. Two of our team members got power supplies fried from massive power spikes. When I went mobile, I kept the same setup and substituted cigarette lighter adapter for the wall charger and kept running on the battery because the rental car power sockets couldn't handle the current required. Fuel was unavailable for the first week and in some areas for two. So, just having a generator was insufficient. And, in a protracted power outage, stand-by, low duty cycle generators are going to fail if run continuously for weeks (or months) on end (and we saw that in spades down there). |
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I had the distinct impression that Puerto Rico was not completely electrified before the twin storms. Anyone know what the percentage of total electrification PR had last year?
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I had the distinct impression that Puerto Rico was not completely electrified before the twin storms. Anyone know what the percentage of total electrification PR had last year? View Quote |
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Quoted: I had heard that every house had power there mainly because of the subsidies but don't know that for a fact. Problem was, the grid was unreliable before the storm with service interruptions being frequent (like once a week). Their power infrastructure was also long in the tooth because they had not invested in upgrading/updating it for years. A huge percentage of people and businesses had standby generators because the grid was so awful to begin with. Remember that the power company went broke back in July so they weren't doing much of anything all summer in terms of repair. So, Irma hit and knocked out power to a million people. They hadn't restored that when Maria came along and wiped out the rest. View Quote The electric grid is old, but there are has been upgrades through the years, the problem has been the maintenance, not enough done. Also, many of the distribution lines have to go through heavy forested areas, and if the lines are not kept clear of branches it causes shorts in the circuit. Even though we have this problem, the service interruptions are no that frequent as to say they happen on a weekly basis. |
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The only subsidies that I know about are for the elderly, sick people with disabilities and the housing projects. The rest have to pay the electric bill in full. The electric grid is old, but there are has been upgrades through the years, the problem has been the maintenance, not enough done. Also, many of the distribution lines have to go through heavy forested areas, and if the lines are not kept clear of branches it causes shorts in the circuit. Even though we have this problem, the service interruptions are no that frequent as to say they happen on a weekly basis. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I had heard that every house had power there mainly because of the subsidies but don't know that for a fact. Problem was, the grid was unreliable before the storm with service interruptions being frequent (like once a week). Their power infrastructure was also long in the tooth because they had not invested in upgrading/updating it for years. A huge percentage of people and businesses had standby generators because the grid was so awful to begin with. Remember that the power company went broke back in July so they weren't doing much of anything all summer in terms of repair. So, Irma hit and knocked out power to a million people. They hadn't restored that when Maria came along and wiped out the rest. The electric grid is old, but there are has been upgrades through the years, the problem has been the maintenance, not enough done. Also, many of the distribution lines have to go through heavy forested areas, and if the lines are not kept clear of branches it causes shorts in the circuit. Even though we have this problem, the service interruptions are no that frequent as to say they happen on a weekly basis. |
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