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Posted: 9/12/2009 7:10:01 PM EST
Anyone using a 45/70 to hunt deer?

What Load are you using?
What gun?
Success???
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:19:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2009 7:46:42 PM EST
My uncle uses his Marlin Guide Gun up to 300 yds, has been for a few years now. Hornady ammo iirc.
Link Posted: 9/13/2009 6:47:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2009 7:00:43 PM EST by supremeweasel67]
I have a Marlin Guide gun.

Depends on what I am hunting as to what load.
But for deer I normally use the 300 gr JHP.

I have tried the Hornady LEVERevolution 325 gr.
Did not see that much difference in performance at ranges of 75 -150 yards.

I consider my 45-70 my DRT (Dead Right There) gun, and is an extremely effective heavy brush gun.
I do not use a scope with mine, and generally try to keep my shots to less than 100 yards with it.

As with other gun, if you know you capabilities, and that of your gun/ammo, then you know what you are capable of.

Keep in mind ammo is not cheap compared to 30/30, or 30-06.

I have used mine for hogs and bear. I prefer to jump up to the 405 gr JHP.

The 45-70 has taken numerous animals over the years, and does not get the recognition it should in my opinion.
This may because of the cost of the rounds, the heavier wieght compared to other rifles, shorter yardage capabilities, or the abuse to the shoulder compared to other calibers.

As for my personal success, I have used it for about 11 years now off and on.
The very first deer I ever shot with it, was a doe at 82 yards.
It flipped her off her feet sideways.
There was no tracking involved, she was laying where I shot her.

Same with hogs. If they travel it is usually less than 20 yards.
Link Posted: 9/14/2009 5:17:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Anyone using a 45/70 to hunt deer?

What Load are you using?
What gun?
Success???


If you aren't having success when you shoot a deer with a .45-70 you are doing something very wrong.

There is nothing like big heavy bullets hitting deer to take them down.

I've never used a .45-70 on deer, but I've shot a lot with .44 mag, .45 colt, and BP rifles. The big bullets don't need to expand, they just punch a big hole through the deer.

Link Posted: 9/14/2009 6:00:35 AM EST
Only had 2 experiences with it. A hunting partner used one for 3 years. 2 hits. 2 wounded and not recovered. 2nd one was massive blood trail for 100 yards then nothing. 4 people searched area for 5+ hours as we were certain it was close but couldnt find it.

In all fairness, the shooter was terrified of recoil (!! ??) and wore a recoil pad over his hunting coat. Open sights, and a bad flincher. Why he chose to hunt with that weapon/caliber is beyond my comprehension. I'm sure shot placement was poor. Thankfully this A-hole isnt allowed to hunt with us anymore.

I figure the bullet is close to that of my muzzleloader - and quality hits typically down the beast where it stands.
Link Posted: 9/14/2009 6:42:29 AM EST
I use the Hornadys in a H&R Handi Rifle.

I killed a buck, a doe, and a coyote with mine last year. All three were around 70 yards away. I didn't have to look for them.
I was pleasantly surprised at the trigger and accuracy of the Handi Rifle and the .45-70 will do the job out to around 150 yards (ballistics aren't that great).

NO REGRETS.
Link Posted: 9/14/2009 8:17:00 AM EST
I have used my '74 vintage Marlin 1895. I shoot heavy handloads in it using a Remington 405 grain soft point.

It hits like the Hammer of Thor! If your blood tracking skills are weak, shoot a .45-70 and you won't need those skills any more.

Link Posted: 9/15/2009 7:09:59 AM EST
Marlin Cowboy with 405gr Jacketed Soft Flat points on top of 53gr IMR3031.

I have not shot a deer with it yet, but I imagine it will get the job done.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 9:06:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
I use the Hornadys in a H&R Handi Rifle.

I killed a buck, a doe, and a coyote with mine last year. All three were around 70 yards away. I didn't have to look for them.
I was pleasantly surprised at the trigger and accuracy of the Handi Rifle and the .45-70 will do the job out to around 150 yards (ballistics aren't that great).

NO REGRETS.


I bet that ruined the fur. Any pix?
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 9:14:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By phlat:
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
I use the Hornadys in a H&R Handi Rifle.

I killed a buck, a doe, and a coyote with mine last year. All three were around 70 yards away. I didn't have to look for them.
I was pleasantly surprised at the trigger and accuracy of the Handi Rifle and the .45-70 will do the job out to around 150 yards (ballistics aren't that great).

NO REGRETS.


I bet that ruined the fur. Any pix?


Lots of folks think the big bores cause excessive damage, or ruin a lot of meat. Not true, on deer you can "eat right up to the bulet hole" while something like a .270 causes a LOT of ruined, bloodshot meat.

I shot this bobcat with my 45/70 at about 135 yards. Dime sized entrance and exit wounds, DRT of course. You are looking at the exit side in this pic.


Link Posted: 9/15/2009 11:03:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
I have used my '74 vintage Marlin 1895. I shoot heavy handloads in it using a Remington 405 grain soft point.

It hits like the Hammer of Thor! If your blood tracking skills are weak, shoot a .45-70 and you won't need those skills any more.



If your blood tracking skills are weak, and your shooting skills are good!

I'm red-green colorblind and I am hideous at following blood trails. I just don't see the red drops. A drop of water that makes a dark spot on the leaves looks the same as a blood spot to me. Luckily I have 2 sons that are not colorblind on the rare occasion I need help tracking them.
Link Posted: 9/15/2009 3:43:12 PM EST
Im R/G blind as well...people laugh when I tell them I use 45/70 or 30/06 with 220g bullets. Handi rifle is the shit. Cheap and another cal bbl can be had for a hundred bucks (poor man's contender). The beauty of the 45/70 is that some places allow use as a historic firearm as well. You can also easily load black powder in them too.

My handirifle is the standard with replacement stock from the buffalo classic and a red dot scope. Its certainly a meat getter!.


R/G blind makes it harder to see the deer as well...have to concentrate on shapes and movement.

Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:06:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By danos660r:
Im R/G blind as well...people laugh when I tell them I use 45/70 or 30/06 with 220g bullets. Handi rifle is the shit. Cheap and another cal bbl can be had for a hundred bucks (poor man's contender). The beauty of the 45/70 is that some places allow use as a historic firearm as well. You can also easily load black powder in them too.

My handirifle is the standard with replacement stock from the buffalo classic and a red dot scope. Its certainly a meat getter!.


R/G blind makes it harder to see the deer as well...have to concentrate on shapes and movement.



I really don't think I have trouble seeing the deer. I see plenty of them, but it is usually the motion I pick up first.

I prefer a TC Contender in .44 mag for deer hunting. Also have shot quite a few with .54 cal BP rifles.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 7:51:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By Warhawk:
Originally Posted By phlat:
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
I use the Hornadys in a H&R Handi Rifle.

I killed a buck, a doe, and a coyote with mine last year. All three were around 70 yards away. I didn't have to look for them.
I was pleasantly surprised at the trigger and accuracy of the Handi Rifle and the .45-70 will do the job out to around 150 yards (ballistics aren't that great).

NO REGRETS.


I bet that ruined the fur. Any pix?


Lots of folks think the big bores cause excessive damage, or ruin a lot of meat. Not true, on deer you can "eat right up to the bulet hole" while something like a .270 causes a LOT of ruined, bloodshot meat.

I shot this bobcat with my 45/70 at about 135 yards. Dime sized entrance and exit wounds, DRT of course. You are looking at the exit side in this pic.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/34421Jim_BCAT06b.jpg


I agree, I like the guys at the range sighting in their 300 WM deer rifle, telling me my 45/70 going to destroy half the deer.
Link Posted: 9/16/2009 2:16:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/16/2009 2:17:04 PM EST by dIIshoots]
It's a low light pic but that 45/70 she uses is a H&R Shikari break action. Loaded with Winchester 300gr JHP it makes an awesome deer rifle. I took a 200# blackie last year with it also. Most game is DRT or very close. The deer in the pic shows a pass thru at about 75 yd. The large hole provides an incredible amount of blood loss.







Link Posted: 9/16/2009 5:00:44 PM EST
I personally will no longer use one. Perhaps it was the loads I was using, I am not sure. I had a small button I hit on a drive, 3 hits on the deer and it still managed to go around 75 yards after the 3rd shot. The hits were front chest, abdomen, and rear end. Not too long after that my brother used the same gun for a drive and he had 3 hits as well with similar results. Like I said perhaps it was the ammo, winchester supreme 300 grain. To me the problem looked as if there was not enough "material" to let the bullet do it's magic and actually mushroom. It seemed more as if the bullets were just punching holes instead of causing trauma. I traded the gun 2 weeks ago (marlin 1895G) for a brand new Springfield XDm 9mm and $192 out the door. I am rather happy.

Oh yeah, the boom from the ported barrel was louder than all of my rifles except for my weatherby .30-378 with the accubrake. It would leave your ears ringing for a couple of days after a few shots.
Link Posted: 9/17/2009 4:27:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2009 4:33:30 AM EST by GlockFace]
Come over to this site! http://www.levergunlovers.com

I have the marlin 1895 guide gun.If your shooting 3 shots at a deer something is wrong with your shot placement.Try using 300gr HP bullets from sierra or remington.My favorite load is rem 405 bullet with 3031 52gr, win brass ,lee fac crimp,CCI primer.


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Cartridge: .45-70 Marlin 1895 & Ruger No. 1 Only

Rifle: Ruger No. 1 & Marlin 1895 Max COL: 2.550"
Barrel: 22" Reloading Dies: RCBS
Max case length: 2.105" Group distance: 100 yards
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Bullet Type Bullet
Weight Bullet
Diameter C.O.L. Net Water
Capacity Powder
Type Charge Primer
Type Muzzle
Velocity Muzzle
Energy Group
Size
Barnes X FN 250 .458" 2.540" 55.9 Reloder 7 47.3 CCI 200 2350 3066 0.9
Barnes X FN 250 .458" 2.540" 55.9 Reloder 10x 52.5 CCI 200 2380 3145 0.9
Barnes X FN 250 .458" 2.540" 55.9 H4198 48.5 CCI 200 2272 2866 0.8
Barnes X FN 250 .458" 2.540" 55.9 IMR 4198 48.1 CCI 200 2330 3014 0.6
Barnes Original FP 300 .458" 2.540" 62.3 Reloder 7 51.4 CCI 200 2294 3506 0.5
Barnes Original FP 300 .458" 2.540" 62.3 Reloder 10x 57.4 CCI 200 2355 3695 1.2
Barnes Original FP 300 .458" 2.540" 62.3 Benchmark 57.9 CCI 200 2147 3071 0.8
Barnes Original FP 300 .458" 2.540" 62.3 IMR 4198 52.9 CCI 200 2309 3552 1.0
Barnes Original FP 300 .458" 2.540" 62.3 RS X-Term 61.2 CCI 250 2335 3633 0.9
Nosler Partition 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 Reloder 7 52.4 CCI 200 2315 3571 1.2
Nosler Partition 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 Reloder 10x 58.3 CCI 200 2367 3733 0.7
Nosler Partition 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 Benchmark 59.0 CCI 200 2200 3225 1.2
Nosler Partition 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 IMR 4198 53.8 CCI 200 2324 3599 0.5
Nosler Partition 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 RS X-Term 61.6 CCI 250 2306 3543 0.9
Remington JHP 300 .458" 2.540" 63.2 Reloder 7 52.1 CCI 200 2315 3571 0.7
Remington JHP 300 .458" 2.540" 63.2 Reloder 10x 58.0 CCI 200 2300 3525 0.6
Remington JHP 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 IMR 4198 53.3 CCI 200 2305 3540 1.4
Remington JHP 300 .458" 2.540" 63.6 RS X-Term 62.0 CCI 250 2321 3589 0.9
Hornady RN 350 .458" 2.540" 58.6 Reloder 7 50.2 CCI 200 2015 3156 0.8
Hornady RN 350 .458" 2.540" 58.6 IMR 4064 58.0 CCI 200 1970 3017 1.0
Hornady RN 350 .458" 2.540" 58.6 IMR 3031 56.8 CCI 200 2065 3315 1.2
Hornady RN 350 .458" 2.540" 58.6 IMR 4198 47.0 CCI 200 1995 3094 0.9
Hawk FP 350 .458" 2.540" 60.6 Reloder 7 51.2 CCI 200 2030 3203 1.2
Hawk FP 350 .458" 2.540" 60.6 IMR 4064 59.0 CCI 200 1980 3048 0.5
Hawk FP 350 .458" 2.540" 60.6 IMR 3031 58.0 CCI 200 2080 3363 0.7
Hawk FP 350 .458" 2.540" 60.6 IMR 4198 47.5 CCI 200 1980 3048 1.0
North Fork Bonded FN 350 .458 2.550" 54.5 Reloder 10x 48.5 CCI 200 1955 2971 1.0
North Fork Bonded FN 350 .458 2.550" 54.5 Reloder 7 46.0 CCI 200 1917 2856 1.3
North Fork Bonded FN 350 .458 2.550" 54.5 IMR 4198 45.0 CCI 200 1930 2896 0.8
North Fork Bonded FN 350 .458 2.550" 54.5 RS X-Term 53.5 CCI 200 1949 2951 1.1
North Fork Bonded FN 350 .458 2.550" 54.5 Win 748 55.5 CCI 200 1902 2811 0.9
Speer Hot-Cor FN 350 .458 2.540" 56.6 Reloder 7 46.5 CCI 200 2096 3415 0.4
Speer Hot-Cor FN 350 .458" 2.540" 56.6 Reloder 10x 51.8 CCI 200 2150 3593 1.3
Speer Hot-Cor FN 350 .458" 2.540" 56.6 IMR 4198 48.0 CCI 200 2119 3490 0.9
Speer Hot-Cor FN 350 .458" 2.540" 56.6 RS X-Term 55.1 CCI 250 2126 3514 0.6
Barnes Original FP 400 .458" 2.540" 52.6 Reloder 7 42.6 CCI 200 1923 3285 0.5
Barnes Original FP 400 .458" 2.540" 52.6 Reloder 10x 47.5 CCI 200 1989 3515 1.0
Barnes Original FP 400 .458" 2.540" 52.6 IMR 4198 43.7 CCI 200 1930 3309 0.6
Barnes Original FP 400 .458" 2.540" 52.6 RS X-Term 51.0 CCI 250 1986 3504 1.2
Speer Flat Nose 400 .458" 2.540" 56.7 Reloder 7 44.5 CCI 200 1940 3344 1.3
Speer Flat Nose 400 .458" 2.540" 56.7 Reloder 10x 50.0 CCI 200 2015 3607 0.4
Speer Flat Nose 400 .458" 2.540" 56.7 IMR 4198 46.2 CCI 200 1977 3472 0.6
Speer Flat Nose 400 .458" 2.540" 56.7 RS X-Term 53.0 CCI 250 2008 3582 0.5
Remington SP 405 .458" 2.540" 55.5 Reloder 7 44.0 CCI 200 1922 3323 1.0
Remington SP 405 .458" 2.540" 55.5 Reloder 10x 49.0 CCI 200 1905 3264 0.7
Remington SP 405 .458" 2.540" 55.5 IMR 4198 45.1 CCI 200 1936 3371 0.8
Remington SP 405 .458" 2.540" 55.5 RS X-Term 52.3 CCI 250 1998 3591 1.3
Woodleigh FN 405 .458" 2.540" 54.7 Reloder 7 43.5 CCI 200 1915 3229 1.2
Woodleigh FN 405 .458" 2.540" 54.7 Reloder 10x 48.5 CCI 200 1980 3526 0.9
Woodleigh FN 405 .458" 2.540" 54.7 IMR 4198 45.0 CCI 200 1944 3399 0.5
Woodleigh FN 405 .458" 2.540" 54.7 RS X-Term 52.0 CCI 250 1997 3587 0.9







Link Posted: 9/17/2009 10:57:26 AM EST
A 45-70 is an absolute hammer on about anything that breathes. I personally would not get a short barrel or brake. Too loud.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 6:24:01 PM EST
I got a RUGER#1 that I just scoped...gotta find a load.
Link Posted: 11/2/2009 7:09:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 4:48:03 AM EST by supremeweasel67]

Originally Posted By DrDeath:
I got a RUGER#1 that I just scoped...gotta find a load.

If going to use a gun that sounds like thunder, might as well get the ammo that will provide lightning results.

www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp
(540-GR SUPER-HARD-CAST GAS-CHECKED HAMMERHEAD AT 1550-FPS) Not cheap by any means.

Now with that being said, I usually shoot Federals, Remingtons, or Winchesters.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 4:32:49 AM EST
I've got a Ruger #3 in 45/70 (yeah, I'm an old fart!) that has hammered quite a few deer over the years. I was using the 300 gr hp then switched over to the "rhino load" 350 gr soft tip. I always carried it to hunt the green briar patches we sometimes sat on.
That rifle has a steel butt plate and kicks worse than a damn mule. So I don't use it now.
I like the nostalgia of the 45/70 and how well the cartridge does on deer at short ranges (100 yds and under).
But if you are going to get ONE rifle for deer hunting, that is not the cartridge to go with.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 7:31:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 7:32:23 AM EST by ost]
Using my 1895 cowboy, i was surprised by the drop from a 50 yard zero to 100 yards. Bullet drop was 6 inches or so.

Load:
53gr IMR3031 with a 405gr FNSP 1700fps.

Actually, that load in the cowboy is more uncomfortable then a 500gr at 2000 fps out of my 458WM. Definitely more recoil in the 458 but I think the stock shape of the Marlin makes its recoil more harsh.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:44:53 PM EST
Sell me that RUGER#3!



Originally Posted By danc46:
I've got a Ruger #3 in 45/70 (yeah, I'm an old fart!) that has hammered quite a few deer over the years. I was using the 300 gr hp then switched over to the "rhino load" 350 gr soft tip. I always carried it to hunt the green briar patches we sometimes sat on.
That rifle has a steel butt plate and kicks worse than a damn mule. So I don't use it now.
I like the nostalgia of the 45/70 and how well the cartridge does on deer at short ranges (100 yds and under).
But if you are going to get ONE rifle for deer hunting, that is not the cartridge to go with.


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 4:53:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By DrDeath:
Sell me that RUGER#3!



Originally Posted By danc46:
I've got a Ruger #3 in 45/70 (yeah, I'm an old fart!) that has hammered quite a few deer over the years. I was using the 300 gr hp then switched over to the "rhino load" 350 gr soft tip. I always carried it to hunt the green briar patches we sometimes sat on.
That rifle has a steel butt plate and kicks worse than a damn mule. So I don't use it now.
I like the nostalgia of the 45/70 and how well the cartridge does on deer at short ranges (100 yds and under).
But if you are going to get ONE rifle for deer hunting, that is not the cartridge to go with.




No thanks. I'll hang onto it. On top of it being a Ruger #3, it's a 200th Year Liberty Ruger!
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