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I'm sorry for the misunderstanding if I came over as implying that the dog species would go extinct. That's not what I meant. That large numbers of domestic dogs will die and be killed for those reasons is what I am. If the system crashes many will be hungry quick and apocalyptic implies it not coming back soon, but if ever to the same or a large number sustainable level in our lifetime. Atleast to me it does. |
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I've kinda settled on German shephard, thoughs? You and me both. |
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Jack Russell Terrier I dont need a dog that is a killer i want a buddy.
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I've kinda settled on German shephard, thoughs? I've had some good ones over the years. I have noticed a few trends, white ones seem to be more timid, black/gray ones meaner, and brown/black best balance. Like most big dogs, the alpha male challenge can be quite the experience. One has to be careful with a Sheppard. They tend take that Alpha male dominance to totally submissive leap a little faster than most big breeds. Its probably because the breed is damn smart to start with. Smart without being stubborn is a nice combination though. The downside to a Shepard as a pet though is like almost a total fear of them by most people as do other breeds. While on thinks that has some great tactical advantages, its not uncommon to be wondering if it was all worth it. They tend to get accused of crap very irrationally and given blame for things there is no way in hell they could have done it. Hell my neighbors are still calling asking if my dog got loose and killed their pet and my Akita has been dead for years now. Its an irrational fear though as Shepards are really fine animals that one has to work on to make aggressive not taking to it natural. Just a damn smart dog. Tj |
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I'm biased as hell, as i own two of my own ... but i think I've got a pretty good crew with my two bull terriers. They have the tenacity of a pit-bull (without the stigma from the public), highly loyal & protective, tough as nails, patrol like crazy, and spend most of there time hunting mostly small game (though my male did bring me a wild turkey once). They're extremely smart, and have enough goof-ball personality to rival damn near any dog. Great with kids, though they do play rough & need monitoring, and are great with other dogs (except neither of mine are fond of pit-bulls, don't know why). Range from 40lbs (females) to around 70lbs (males) and don't eat too much for their size.
Cons: Males can be tough to train, as they're an extremely stubborn breed. As mentioned, they're very physical dogs, and their bite shouldn't be taken lightly. Very high energy and need alot of exercise. Can be prone to OCD if not properly exercised as-well. My male, Titus Pullo: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs079.snc4/35319_410661440821_500705821_4327445_1560898_n.jpg My female, Pele http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs177.snc4/38188_414644270821_500705821_4421356_86326_n.jpg |
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I don't know for sure, but I've had a great Pitbull and Australian Shepherd that would fit that bill. But right now I have a friggin crazy wire haired fox terrier that I swear wants to kill anything except me and loved ones (and then he's golden). He's buds with my my yellow lab and they will tag team together on something they don't like. The lab can alarm on things like deer or even a rabbit sometimes, but even he's not what I'd call a yapper/barker. It's almost a given threat when the terrier does though and they'll both alarm on strangers.
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HOW ABOUT THE AMEERICAN BULL DOG - BEEN AROUND FOREVER AND DOES A GREAT JOB ON THE FARM / HOMESTEAD
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After the end of the world as we know it, I figure we'll be pretty board with no electronics to keep us entertained, that and dogs are good to alert if zombies are nearby. Would do you all think would be the most robust but eas to maintain breed under those circamstances? ;o) I've kinda settled on German shephard Shepherd, thoughs? Good choice. |
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Of course you could always get the Arnold Shwarzenegger of dogs...Wendy the whippet (with obvious medical issues!) http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/imsok2u/wendy1.png I thought he was shot and killed in Las Vegas? |
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A lot depends on your needs.
For defensive purposes, keep in mind that there is a big difference between a watch dog and an attack dog. Almost any dog will make a good watch dog. They see someone or something they don't like and they bark. They will generally bark *at* the distraction so you can locate it quickly by locating the dog and determining where it's looking. If this is all you need, breed is really not that important, although you don't want a passive, quiet breed. An attack dog is a different story. Properly trained, they are nearly as useful as a human partner, and generally more reliable and devoted. Probably not as useful in a SHTF situation, but it will depend on circumstances. An important issue is the dog's size. Where food is scarce, you want just the size dog you need. An Irish Wolfhound is no better at barking at intruders than a Chihuahua, but it will eat far more food. Where the nights get very cold, a large dog can be a great way to help stay warm. Actually, any large mammal is good. People, horses, etc. Dogs will just about always be willing to snuggle with you, even if you (or they) smell like a skunk. If you have the ability to bird hunt, a good retriever can make your hunting expeditions far more efficient. Labs and goldens are also great watchdogs... very alert, smart, easy to train for other uses, and are very devoted. A retriever can be trained to hunt rabbits and bring them back as well. If you are hunting larger game, almost any dog can help you track a recently wounded animal, although a bloodhound can do it better than any. If you have cattle, an australian shepard is a good choice. Not too big, alerts to danger, smart, easily trained, very energetic. A GSD is also a great choice. It will eat more food, but they can be scary smart and are easily trained to watch children, defend, etc. If you plan on bugging out for a longer distance, or just doing the gypsy thing, a pack type animal could be a good choice. A malamute or two can pull a sled all day long with little problem. Even if there's no snow. These dogs are strong and really enjoy moving. They can also be taught to hunt small game (mostly for themselves, they are not great retrievers) and are a formidable defense as well. They've been known to take down bear with as few as three. They are almost immune to pain, and have very healthy constitutions and incredible stamina. Huskies are similar, but smaller, with more speed but less stamina. Both breeds require a strict, strong willed trainer. For shorter hauls, a Bernese mountain dog can pull enormous loads. Maybe not all day, but they are very large, very powerful dogs. They are a bit gentle for a battle dog, but they will fiercely defend their families, and love kids. And they are pretty formidable. The bottom line is that the best dog really depends on the circumstances and the individual dogs and owners, but most any dog will have something valuable to offer. Az |
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HOW ABOUT THE AMEERICAN BULL DOG - BEEN AROUND FOREVER AND DOES A GREAT JOB ON THE FARM / HOMESTEAD Never met an American Bulldog I didn't like. That says a lot I guess. Tj |
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My choice is also the American Bulldog I have an 8 year old female and a 3 yr old male. I rest better knowing they are home with my wife and daughters when I am away on business. They are extremely protective and loyal no doubt in my mind either one would sacrifice themselves to protect my family, I cant ask for more than that. Both weigh in the 90-100 lb range and I have yet to come across a dog that is as strong pound for pound as my male, god help the person he latches onto. He can jump and grab a rope hanging 6' off the ground and wont let go. Just my .02.
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92 lbs. of speed, agility, and goofiness! Plus middleweight dogs require less food. http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr98/mattdadi/_DSC0156.jpg That is one cool looking dog! And I'm not sure 92 lbs is middleweight. Az |
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Very informative. Thanks for the great information sir. I decided on GSD btw
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A lot depends on your needs. For defensive purposes, keep in mind that there is a big difference between a watch dog and an attack dog. Almost any dog will make a good watch dog. They see someone or something they don't like and they bark. They will generally bark *at* the distraction so you can locate it quickly by locating the dog and determining where it's looking. If this is all you need, breed is really not that important, although you don't want a passive, quiet breed. An attack dog is a different story. Properly trained, they are nearly as useful as a human partner, and generally more reliable and devoted. Probably not as useful in a SHTF situation, but it will depend on circumstances. An important issue is the dog's size. Where food is scarce, you want just the size dog you need. An Irish Wolfhound is no better at barking at intruders than a Chihuahua, but it will eat far more food. Where the nights get very cold, a large dog can be a great way to help stay warm. Actually, any large mammal is good. People, horses, etc. Dogs will just about always be willing to snuggle with you, even if you (or they) smell like a skunk. If you have the ability to bird hunt, a good retriever can make your hunting expeditions far more efficient. Labs and goldens are also great watchdogs... very alert, smart, easy to train for other uses, and are very devoted. A retriever can be trained to hunt rabbits and bring them back as well. If you are hunting larger game, almost any dog can help you track a recently wounded animal, although a bloodhound can do it better than any. If you have cattle, an australian shepard is a good choice. Not too big, alerts to danger, smart, easily trained, very energetic. A GSD is also a great choice. It will eat more food, but they can be scary smart and are easily trained to watch children, defend, etc. If you plan on bugging out for a longer distance, or just doing the gypsy thing, a pack type animal could be a good choice. A malamute or two can pull a sled all day long with little problem. Even if there's no snow. These dogs are strong and really enjoy moving. They can also be taught to hunt small game (mostly for themselves, they are not great retrievers) and are a formidable defense as well. They've been known to take down bear with as few as three. They are almost immune to pain, and have very healthy constitutions and incredible stamina. Huskies are similar, but smaller, with more speed but less stamina. Both breeds require a strict, strong willed trainer. For shorter hauls, a Bernese mountain dog can pull enormous loads. Maybe not all day, but they are very large, very powerful dogs. They are a bit gentle for a battle dog, but they will fiercely defend their families, and love kids. And they are pretty formidable. The bottom line is that the best dog really depends on the circumstances and the individual dogs and owners, but most any dog will have something valuable to offer. Az |
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92 lbs. of speed, agility, and goofiness! Plus middleweight dogs require less food. http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr98/mattdadi/_DSC0156.jpg |
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Of course you could always get the Arnold Shwarzenegger of dogs...Wendy the whippet (with obvious medical issues!) http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/imsok2u/wendy1.png |
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Of course you could always get the Arnold Shwarzenegger of dogs...Wendy the whippet (with obvious medical issues!) http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q39/imsok2u/wendy1.png Real dog. Animal Planet video of her. Genetic disorder that gives her double muscling. K |
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After nearly 15 yrs my wife had to put our Chow Chow to sleep just before I got home for Christmas. He was a constant companion and protector of the home and excellent with children. I've been thinking of either a Beagle or Golden Retreiver next. Would like to get one for hunting uses.
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Maybe I'm just getting disillusioned with all the M3 (Mad Max Masturbation) I've been seeing, but I don't see post apocalyptic Anywhere falling to the level where dogs die out. They've been with us since before recorded history and I expect they'll be with us until we cease to be. When/if we take to the stars, there'll be doggy space suits made shortly after the first human versions hit the shelves. I suppose it depends on what your version of "apocalypse" is, but the tendency of people to posit the belief that the entire earth will suddenly become desert incapable of sustaining life outside of their bunkers seems kind of foolish. Hollywood foolish. Seems to me that any such event would also do for mankind at the same time. Of course, comes the day my main goal in life is hiding in the underbrush hoping teh bad mans will pass me by rather than kill me for the last doughnut on earth which I've got stashed in my Tactical Taylor dump pouch, whether or not I've got a dog in there with me will be entirely incidental. Why do you keep showing your ass in this thread? Instead of bowing out after your spectacular defeat you linger on, adding nothing......still trying to appear clever. Meaningful information is being exchanged. You are in the way. |
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labs. actually really good bite dogs. bark can be intimidating to people. provides good entertainment. can hunt about anything and in winters provide excellent heat radiation for cold nights. good job at detecting threats. and not menacing.
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Quoted: labs. actually really good bite dogs. bark can be intimidating to people. provides good entertainment. can hunt about anything and in winters provide excellent heat radiation for cold nights. good job at detecting threats. and not menacing. although all dog alarms can be shut off with a nice steak. For the girl shown above, it's bread, pound cake or a roll of toilet paper. They're her kryptonite. She nosed a plate of fried chicken out of the way on our kitchen counter last night to grab an empty entemann's pound cake box. It was empty because she had snuck the whole cake off the dining room table (filled with remains of our dinner on plates which she bypassed) about 5 minutes earlier. A couple days ago my daughter got home late and was eating dinner in bed. She got up for a minute, came back and the dog was tearing up a roll of toilet paper on her bed. Next to the plate of steak. Toilet paper is not safe in our home at the moment. We are currently keeping it under the bathroom sinks. |
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When I was in Haiti, all of the dogs were little ?35-40 lb? skinny mutts who all looked like they had the same parents. Search for "pictures of dogs in Haiti" and you will see what they looked like. There must be some reason for that. It didn't look like anyone fed them, so this must be the best size to scrounge and survive on its' own, sort of a "survival of the fittest" concept. I wonder if dogs in Iraq or Afganistan look similar? Left to crossbreed indiscriminately, yes, all dogs eventually tend to look more or less like that. Yep. all the dogs in Afghanistan fit that description, with the exception of a few that were fed by Americans. |
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A 50lb. mutt would be best in my opinion. A big dog is going to eat a lot and have a shorter lifespan. Just because a dog doesn't weigh 100lb. doesn't mean it can't ruin your day. Mutts tend to live longer because they don't seem to carry on the genetic defects of "pure breds". Every dog I've had has been a mutt and they've always been great dogs. My current mutts are both about a year old. One is a boxer/collie mix and the other is a APBT/rhodesian ridgeback mix. Both are great lovable animals.
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Doberman, hands down would be my pick. They were developed to protect man, smart, fast and loyal. I've had two ( still got one, other passed away ) and my wife has been around them her whole life.
I also like the Airedale. But with that being said - I've had strays come up and stay that turned out to be amazing dogs. Every dog is different just like every perople is different. I was given a puppy once that was half pit and half chow - she *should have been the meanest this on 4 legs if you listen to "experts" - but in fact she was the most motherly, gentle dogs we've ever had. |
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Golden Retrievers. I have owned them for 25 years. I keep two of them at all times, they need a buddy. Kinda like getting your dog a dog.They are loyal, very very protective and are very alert watchdogs. They are great at retrieving birds and hunting wabbits.
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I like Boxers a whole lot. Good dogs. Fiercely loyal and great with kids. Will guard anything, if you let them.
I like labs, but they go ape if you have chickens or other small animals around (ask me how I know ) This is what we've ALWAYS had on the farm though: |
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the best dog would be no dog. it would give your position away with sound or movement sooner than you think. they cant make the decision on action or inaction. why dont you think our military dosent have them in widespread use ?
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Wife just picked up two new additions to the household. One Beagle and one Treeing Walker Coon dog. These guys got some great noses for hunting and will be early warning devices. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG00385-20110331-1336.jpg CD Beagle = best dog anyone could ever have, period! |
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Quoted: the best dog would be no dog. it would give your position away with sound or movement sooner than you think. they cant make the decision on action or inaction. why dont you think our military dosent have them in widespread use ? I had promised myself I'd stay out of this shitstorm, but seriously? Talk to these guys about how many lives have been saved by war dogs over the past 70 years. http://www.uswardogs.org/ |
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any of you guys have any experience with Rhodesian ridge backs?
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I can't believe no one has mentioned American Bulldogs, not pits, American Bulldogs. American Bulldogs are considered to be a rare breed but are on the climb. They are excellent with children and family but are protective around strangers without the uncontrollibility like a pit sometimes has. They are used to hunt pigs and I imagine could be taught to hunt anything with there prey drive. Best family dog I've every owned, smart but stubborn which with a trained dog is great because they do what there taught no matter what. This is one of my males http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9ce27b3127ccef818dca68ccb00000030O30AatWzFi3aOWIPbz4O/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D3/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ This is one of my females http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9ce27b3127ccef8189fcbcc1f00000030O00AatWzFi3aOWIPbz4O/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/ we have one of these and a black lab/pit mutt perfect combo |
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Yes, our neighbor had a few. They got into a tussle with a leopard one night. Didn't end well for them, but it really wasn't a fair fight.
They are excellent dogs as far as I could tell. Very loyal and friendly. Not sure how they are with kids...they never tried to bite me when we were over there...they are also extremely alert - and bark a lot Can't tell you more than that...the Boerboel breed is supposed to have some ridgeback in them. |
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I'm a Rottweiler guy and have been for about 20 years. I love the breed and will never own any other. There are other dogs better at some tasks, but for what I'm wanting a dog to do it is the best breed for my needs. They are very intelligent, fearless, exceedingly loyal to the pack, and they don't bark their asses off when a mouse farts. If my Rottie barks there's a reason for it to bark.
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any of you guys have any experience with Rhodesian ridge backs? They're great. Not the smartest dogs in the world, but damned loyal, good with kids, and tougher than woodpecker lips. They have a great bark/growl as well. When they get stirred up, that ridge goes from the tip of their nose to the end of their tail. |
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