Are there any resources out there that would tell me what year and at what serial number range colt moved from large hole pivot pins to large hole trigger pins, and from large hole trigger pins to small hole across the board?



I am currently surfing gun broker for colt 20'' A2 hbars. I absolutely have to have small hole trigger pins. I don't really care about the large hole pivot pin.



Basically, I'm worried that I'll get a great deal, only to find that the geissele trigger I have laying around won't fit and that I'll have to sell/trade it and buy a large hole geissele, which I really don't want to do.



Also, I'm a nerdy kid who wants to go to graduate school. Due to the locations of good graduate schools, I'm also kind of interesting in perhaps getting a pre-ban in case I end up in a ban state. However, this isn't that important.



I get get a brand new, small hole everything AR for a bit over 1000. What would be a good used price?

im not sure. but I dont think there is a small hole trigger   pre ban A2 HBAR

I guess I was mistaken. I thought the large hole pivot hbars had small hole trigger pins, and then they switched it to small hole uppers with large hole trigger pins.

dont know where you got that idea

why dont you just get a new 6601

Why don't you stop talking about the guns you want to get and just get one already?!?!















Just bustin' your balls a bit!

My wallet and parents are already pissed about the Garand.



I don't want to anger them too much more.




That said, in two weeks I'll have the money.




 

I would think  preban R6601 would cost more thne a new MT6601


we need some new gun pics from you instead of  a thousand threads just talking about getting one,

Colt went to the small FCG around April 2009 and have used the smal pivots for more than 10 years.
I would buy a new MT6601 plus it would have a M16 carrier too.

he was looking for a preban  small FCG hole  6601 though.  and that doesnt exist


like you I would go MT6601  and pay about 900 bucks  and have everything you need

Okay okay okay, new it is. I'll hopefully come back soon with shitty cell phone pics.

dont hold it against us if we dont hold our breathe while we wait

My bank account is currently at 900 bucks. I get 600 in two weeks, so then I can afford it.






 

you will just go by something lame. like a M1 carbine or a P17

I used to have a model R6600 A2 HBAR which I bought back in 1986 brand new with small FCG pins and large pivot pin.

There are super rare pre ban Colt rifles with both small FCG pins and small pivot pin, an ARFCOM staff member and collector posted a picture of his rifle either before or after he sold it, he posted it here in the Colt industry forum sometime around 2005 - 2006.

I agree what these other guys said just get a new 6601 with small trigger-hammer pins, make sure you touch and feel it first to be sure you got the small pins before buying it.

I don't like carbines. And I am free to take my dad's P17 any time I want it.



So, maybe I'll go with the Vulcan Speschul forses raful instead?



 

I have never seen a new 6601 locally, at least not since before the AWB expired. I'd probably be buying from Bud's Gun shop and having it sent in. Is there a real chance that those rifles are NOS large holes?





 

coming from a guy that has moaned for a 6601 for months, then went out and bought a Garand when he finally had some cash

I dont doubt what you just said for a second



if you get this years 6601 it will not be large hole

I've been reading this thread, I was going to post some info on some of the Colt's I have/had and have seen... but decided not to. Instead I will leave you with this:

If I understand correctly, the Colt rifle you and your Dad have is old and the barrel is about shot out, correct?
Why worry about the trigger pin size or take down pin size on a gun you will purchase?
If you are looking for a preban, search around, find a good deal, buy it, and be happy keeping it and shooting the barrel out with YOUR kids.
Good luck on your search, but seriously pay less attention to trigger or take down pins.

I have a small hole geissele high speed trigger, which will be going into the rifle. Installing that trigger is priority number 1.



So, it has to be a small hole or I have to buy/trade for another geissele SSA. Or do what I probably should be doing instead and buy a white oak upper.

There is always a good chance that some new 6601 could be NOS, make sure your dealer knows that you wanted specifically a brand new (not NOS) rifle with the small FCG pins because you're going to install your Geissele small pins trigger group on it.

When I bought my new 6721 A3 carbine last March, I told my dealer I wanted to get the new model with the small FCG pins and I also told them that if it didn't when I picked it up that I won't take it, and my dealer agreed to exchange it if it didn't have the size of hole that I wanted.

I even talked to my dealer's distributor and ask them if what they're selling are NOS and the distributor told me that what they got they recently received from the factory.

When I actually got my 6721 at the dealer, I opened the factory paper tape seal of the box and I immediately compated the FCG pins with a spare small pin that I brought with me, and it was small pins indeed.

When I got home and took apart the handguard to see the mfg. date on the barrel I was surprised that the barrel and the birth plastic bag had the same date of 05/ 09, it was made 10 months before I got it and it already have small pins.

I was also planning of changing my trigger with the Geissele SSA small pin, because the small pin version is cheaper than the large 0.170" version, but when I tried the trigger on my new carbine, the trigger is excellent, light and smooth similar to the Geissele so I don't need to upgrade it, I'll just use my factory trigger.

Bottom line is tell your dealer exactly what you want and have him agree for an exchange in case you got something you don't want.

My Hbar is large/large and no fence,

I'm pretty sure my sporter weight pre ban is small/small with a fence but the fence isn't drilled out for the pivot pin retaining detent pin and spring.  Had it probalby 6 years and never got around to drilling the hole for detent.

I had gotten some false information about prebans. I had heard that large hole pivot pin rifles had small hole FCG pins. Since this is not the case, then buying a used rifle goes out the window. I will buy new.



Thanks a lot guys.

You did well to buy the M1 Garand first. It will only go up in price, plus it's a real rifle.

Well, the rifle costs 1000 and I have 1500 in the bank.



I'm just a little hesitant to buy it until my next paycheck.