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Originally Posted By Frost7:
Yes, I was wanting to try NP3+ or Ionbond, or one of each. Robar went out of business in August and no longer does NP3+, and I can't find anyone to send anything to for Ionbond to save my life, with all e-mails unanswered. As far as bolt life, I kind of wonder if the LM308D7 (basically LMT's enhanced 5.56 bolt, but in .308) would work in a 901 carrier since the forward section of the carrier is basically an AR-10. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By TBone556:
I’m going to hit up Triarc systems when i’m Home on leave since i’m considering having them cut a Glock slide for me. They have NP3 BCG’s and chambers but I don’t know if it’s in house or outsourced. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TBone556:
Originally Posted By Frost7:
Yes, I was wanting to try NP3+ or Ionbond, or one of each. Robar went out of business in August and no longer does NP3+, and I can't find anyone to send anything to for Ionbond to save my life, with all e-mails unanswered. As far as bolt life, I kind of wonder if the LM308D7 (basically LMT's enhanced 5.56 bolt, but in .308) would work in a 901 carrier since the forward section of the carrier is basically an AR-10. NP3 customers are kinda twisting in the wind at the moment... Robar was shopping around for a buyer but no buyout was forthcoming, so they just shut down. Last I heard CCT who owns their underlying technology is looking into setting up licensed dealers/smiths to do NP3 work from here on in but nothing has actually transpired as yet. Far as Ionbond, if anyone Ionbonds AR parts anymore, damn if I can find them. Which is a shame; I have a Colt Custom Shop M45A1 with their black Ionbond and that finish is amazing. |
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I’m wondering if I should maybe try fail zero. Also has anyone heard of that colt Canada SASS could ever be imported to the US?
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Anyone needs/wants a spare Colt-branded Troy medium rear sight (produced exclusively for the 901), Brownells has stock for the first time in over a year. Get ‘em while they’re hot.
Just picked up one for my 901’s 6944 upper to match the original on the .308. EDIT: Aaaand they're gone. 1 hour, that was fast. |
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So I got a few cans out of NFA jail about a month ago. I’m running a SiCo Omega 300 on my CM762-16s using the SiCo ASR mount. First few rounds cycled without a problem then a failure to extract. Actually the spent casing got trapped in the ejection port and couldnt clear it before the next round tried to load. This has only happened twice in about 50 rounds suppressed. Unsuppressed my rifle runs absolutely flawless. Is this due to to much gas pressure, to little pressure, etc? I’m also wondering if a PRI Gas Buster would be compatible with this rifle?
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No go on the PRI, proprietary charging handle. I put in an adjustable gas block for using suppressed, and that solved some issues I was having on my CM762
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^ Yeah, the 901 is pretty mag agnostic. I've used it with Lancer L7 AWMs, KAC steels, D&H modern and "classic" design steels, and .308 PMAGs. Never any notable issues feeding. All also successfully insert fully loaded on a closed bolt and all but one drop free (Regular .308 PMAGs drop free, but the slightly longer M118LR PMAGs need to be pulled out).
Same with a 6944 upper and adapter on it, feeds fine off L5 AWMs, PMAGs, and all sorts of aluminum and steel STANAG mags. EDIT: Memory failing me, the new design D&H steels also do not drop free. "Classic" D&H steels do drop free. |
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Anybody have a CM6.5 I could ask a few questions of?
Specifically what were your barrel markings on the 18" SS. Also, were your controls 'ambi'? I purchased an LE overrun and a few things don't match my CM762. Thanks. Attached File |
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Anybody ever see a CM receiver that didn't have the mag release cut for the Norgin ambi ?
Basically a non ambidextrous CM receiver? Looks like a Canadian MRR but with the typical US Colt CM markings. |
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Sounds like an AR901 lower.
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Thanks. I plan to post pics side by side today.
Weren’t all the 901’s ambi safety and detach? |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
Thanks. I plan to post pics side by side today. Weren’t all the 901’s ambi safety and detach? View Quote LE901 was ambidextrous except for some weird reason they deleted the CM901's ambi safety and made it non-ambi on the LE model. Easily replaced with an ambi Colt safety though to bring it back to CM901 spec (sans auto, obviously). |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
Thanks. I plan to post pics side by side today. Weren’t all the 901’s ambi safety and detach? View Quote |
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Attached File
Notice how the lower receiver isn't machined out or drilled and pinned for ambi mag release. Actually think I prefer this as I'm a 'righty' anyway and the machining and holes for ambi release pins would possibly become a weak point. |
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
IIRC AR901 was not ambi at all. LE901 was ambidextrous except for some weird reason they deleted the CM901's ambi safety and made it non-ambi on the LE model. Easily replaced with an ambi Colt safety though to bring it back to CM901 spec (sans auto, obviously). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Frost7:
Originally Posted By Muricha:
Thanks. I plan to post pics side by side today. Weren’t all the 901’s ambi safety and detach? LE901 was ambidextrous except for some weird reason they deleted the CM901's ambi safety and made it non-ambi on the LE model. Easily replaced with an ambi Colt safety though to bring it back to CM901 spec (sans auto, obviously). Attached File |
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Could someone please list all the 901 variants and the release order with difference. (example)
LE901 - - CM762 CM6.5 Canadian version? M.A.R.C. 901 ? |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
Could someone please list all the 901 variants and the release order with difference. (example) LE901 - - CM762 CM6.5 Canadian version? M.A.R.C. 901 ? View Quote LE901-16S - Semi-auto CM901, 100% parts commonality with CM901 save for fire control AR901-16S - Cheaper, non-monolithic variant only briefly in production. Did not have 901’s ambi features to my knowledge. CK901 - 7.62x39 .mil variant produced in small numbers for Arab foreign sales. Notable for killing >200 ISIS their first day of combat in Yemen, earning the nickname “the Allah Gun.” LE901-16SE - aka MARC 901. Same as the -16S, but now had modular threaded pic sections at 3-6-9 that saved about 1 pound of weight versus a quad rail. Mainly commercial market although I believe the NYPD and Mexican Federal Police picked up some. LE901-18SE - Vaporware 18 inch variant of -16SE CM762 - Commercial reboot using LE901 lower mated to a new upper design with non-monolithic rail and a new ambi charging handle CM65 - Same concept as CM762, but in 6.5 Creedmoor. Not familiar with what Colt Canada has been up to. I do know the variant that won Canada’s CSASS is monolithic, uses MLOK, and switched to a 1/10 twist barrel with mind-blowingly good accuracy. |
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Very much appreciated.
FYI.... The CMs have a Mloc removable rail. My original LE901-16S (first 100 released for sale) has the monolithic 4 sided full length Picatinny rail. I did read previously there was a 'bottom half' removable monolithic but have yet to see one. My CM762 is ambi safety and mag release with the Mloc removable rail and ambi charging handle. My (Hybrid ?) appears to be a AR901 as lower is non ambi, has a Colt branded TI7 stock and a CM65 upper with the Mloc removable rail and ambi charging handle. |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
Very much appreciated. FYI.... The CMs have a Mloc removable rail. My original LE901-16S (first 100 released for sale) has the monolithic 4 sided full length Picatinny rail. I did read previously there was a 'bottom half' removable monolithic but have yet to see one. My CM762 is ambi safety and mag release with the Mloc removable rail and ambi charging handle. My (Hybrid ?) appears to be a AR901 as lower is non ambi, has a Colt branded TI7 stock and a CM65 upper with the Mloc removable rail and ambi charging handle. View Quote -16SE removes via three screws. CM901 and -16S work like the 694x, screws + push detent on the bottom. It locks up pretty solid so you'd likely never know it wasn't removable if you weren't intending to remove it. Regarding stocks, all variants of the 901 shipped with the VLTOR IMOD. If there's a different stock, someone removed the IMOD and put another one on there. I've seen a few pop up for sale occasionally that had Colt-branded TI7s and Colt-branded Rogers SuperStocs taken off 5.56 Colts. |
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Thanks Frost, your are a wealth of knowledge. I know the information is out there with much of it in this 78 page thread but having it summed up is useful to many of us.
It appears I've been 'had' by a seller on GB who claimed to have LE901 6.5 Creedmore Law Enforcement 'overruns'. My fault, as the pic didn't match the description but the AR901 lower and stock were what was provided. I already took acceptance of the transfer and partial responsibility as I knew it was 'off' when I accepted it. It did have an adapter block and spring/buffer which I needed anyway so I feel financially 'whole' on the sale but the inaccuracy of the description is BS. The seller claimed to have 10 and after I contacted him they pulled their other auction for the same rifle. Told me they would 'get back to me' after I pointed out the discrepancy and asked the history of the build. No surprise, I haven't heard squat. After comparing the machining of the lower for the ambi mag release I think the AR901 lower would be less likely to have any issues and since Colt no longer manufactures these lowers, I'll designate the AR901 my 'shooter' and just swap uppers for whatever application I'll be shooting that day. I'll take responsibility for my mistake and whatever value the AR901 with the CM65 upper would be derated. I seldom sell my Colts anyway so other than the ego of knowing my Colts, it's just another lesson learned. If I was a lefty or used ambi controls often I'd probably be on the war path but little could be done after accepting the transfer anyway. @frost7 Thanks again for all of your helpful info. If I see this add posted on GB again I will post here for a 'heads up'. Attached File |
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@Muricha No problem, happy to share.
Yeah, I’ve read this whole topic through probably a couple times looking for info so lots of it stuck. Plus read various other sources as I really love the 901’s concept and am enthusiastic about it even if the market isn’t very. One of the few times Colt has tried something radical and new and I think it was a GREAT idea and platform that they’ve just failed to capitalize on. IMO they should’ve found a way to settle more amicably with LMT and made the 694X and 901 the cornerstones of Colt rifles going forward. Very cost effective, don’t have the huge weight penalty of LMT monolithics, and have amazing accuracy from the factory. Also really economical if you’re going to invest in expensive parts on the lower (such as my installing a Geissele SSF in mine), since you can use all AR-15 calibers + .308 Win and 6.5CM all with the same lower. As far as yours, yeah, it kinda sounds like the seller got ahold of 6.5 uppers and old AR-901 lowers and made a Frankenrifle out of it unless they can prove Colt did a weird limited run of CM65 uppers with AR901 lowers. Which seems pretty unlikely as AFAIK the AR901 lower got totally discontinued when they decided to dump the “budget 901” idea. Every other variant has had the same original LE901 lower, just different uppers (and I think they put the ambi safety back standard on the CM762 and CM65). |
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I had always assumed Colt purchased LWRC for a few specific patents.
I'm aware there was an LMT dispute but have yet to research the details and outcome. Yes, at this point I'm aware I purchased a Franken (all Colt parts) assembled rifle. I'm not sure how much that devalues my purchase but I'll just use the AR901 lower and keep the CRM lower a safe cherry. Hell, at least I got an adapter out of the deal. Thanks for the info on the budget AR901 lowers. There is allot less machining for these non ambi lowers but for that reason and to 'me', they look allot more sturdy. I would be curious if anyone has had any CRM lower receiver failures. There sure doesn't look like there is much 'meat' left after the ambi bolt release machining and roll pin holes. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
I had always assumed Colt purchased LWRC for a few specific patents. I'm aware there was an LMT dispute but have yet to research the details and outcome. View Quote The thing with LMT was basically Colt's monolithic uppers infringed on Karl Lewis' patents due to a failure of research on the part of Colt's lawyers. There was never any intent, more like two sets of engineers approached the same problem and arrived at very similar solutions independently without realizing it, and LMT was first. The end result is Colt has to pay LMT royalties on all of their monolithic ARs, which is assumed to be why they were trying to move away from the monolithic platform on the commercial end despite its advantages. They're keeping it alive on the .mil end though and just building the royalties into the contract prices. |
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Originally Posted By Frost7: Colt was in talks to purchase LWRC with intent to make them their boutique/custom AR shop before the most recent bankruptcy, but it fell through at the last minute and never actually happened. The thing with LMT was basically Colt's monolithic uppers infringed on Karl Lewis' patents due to a failure of research on the part of Colt's lawyers. There was never any intent, more like two sets of engineers approached the same problem and arrived at very similar solutions independently without realizing it, and LMT was first. The end result is Colt has to pay LMT royalties on all of their monolithic ARs, which is assumed to be why they were trying to move away from the monolithic platform on the commercial end despite its advantages. They're keeping it alive on the .mil end though and just building the royalties into the contract prices. View Quote |
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I was aware MEGA stopped producing because of LMT.
Per Military Times Mega LMT monolithic discussion "The patent holder is Karl Lewis, of Lewis Machine and Tool. Also listed as inventors are James Bargren, Jacob Schafer and Neal Hohl. This patent application was filed in 2002, recently deemed patentable and barring administrative complications will be published in August 7, 2012. The date of publication is the date the patent protection becomes active." I need to do my research on Colt monolithic and will post a summary if I can find one printed from a reputable source. (Note- Not to derail the thread but the discussion is pertinent and the author had stated a few pages back he had not checked it in over a year. I've read his four part series on Loose Rounds and this (his) thread seems the best 901 source I have found). Thanks to the combined knowledge of ARF and Shawn at Loose Rounds. |
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Google Foo indicates Colts Monolithic was patented with a 'removable lower portion of the monolithic'.
Colt Canada is still using it and it appears (to me) that the removable bottom portion of the Colt Monolithic is a separate patent. Colt Patent An M-4 firearm having a lower receiver assembly and an upper, receiver assembly. The upper receiver assembly is connected to the lower receiver assembly. The lower receiver assembly has a fire control assembly. The upper receiver assembly has a barrel and a hand guard. The hand guard has a venting features for allowing cooling air to pass therethrough. The hand guard has a heat shield mounted therein. The hand guard has at least one peripheral device mounting rail. The hand guard has an upper portion and a removable lower portion. The removable lower portion has at least one peripheral device mounting rail. The removable lower portion may be removed and replaced with a different second removable lower portion without the removal of fasteners. I'm curious if you good folk can educate me on why Colt US only used the monolithic on the 694x series and the 901 series? |
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Colt Canada
The MRR Upper Receiver has a monolithic top rail with side and bottom rail positions now implementing the Magpul M-LOK™ modular locking accessory mounting system. The sturdy monolithic upper receiver provides ample rail space for various optics and is fitted with a Colt Canada free floating, cold hammer forged, chrome lined barrel which increases barrel service life significantly when compared to non-chrome lined barrels of similar firearms. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Muricha:
Colt Canada The MRR Upper Receiver has a monolithic top rail with side and bottom rail positions now implementing the Magpul M-LOK™ modular locking accessory mounting system. The sturdy monolithic upper receiver provides ample rail space for various optics and is fitted with a Colt Canada free floating, cold hammer forged, chrome lined barrel which increases barrel service life significantly when compared to non-chrome lined barrels of similar firearms. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/467962/9F661895-772E-47A8-A2EE-B9976C838475_png-1150126.JPG View Quote Motherf——-. Why can’t they release that here. |
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Colt Canada has some cool products that would sell down here. I bet colt Canada would produce a Stryker fires pistol like a Glock or m&p and we would never see it down here.
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Originally Posted By Frost7:
Cold hammer forged Colt barrels?!?!? Motherf——-. Why can’t they release that here. View Quote for military LEO use only. related to why we only see the colt canada marked LE used trade ins that hit the market and not new guns |
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For anyone still wanting CM762 / LE901 parts, I suggest ordering from Brownells on backorder if they are out of stock.
My 901 conversion block just shipped - ordered it maybe a month ago after it went out of stock and it is again showing out of stock. |
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There's also a fairly sweet deal on GB currently with FFL showing 7 in stock.
COLT CM65 $1660 buy it now. edit- 6 left Secret Squirrel pricing just joshing. ^^^ GB Link ^^^ |
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Nice, I wish I had bought one in July for $1375.
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Originally Posted By Rhinowso96:
Nice, I wish I had bought one in July for $1375. View Quote The Colt CM series seems to be the best deals going on Colts at the present time. For anybody who isn't familiar, this is basically a 901 rifle that dropped the quad rails and went to a round tube Mlok upper. This makes it lighter and seems a more natural point of aim (for me). Besides the crazy's who are listing at 3K and up, the 308's and 6.5's have seen the least craze pricing. Even if Colt resumes civilian AR Sales, I personally doubt if these rifles get a renewed offering. But, I am biased as I am particularly found of the CM series. No surprise to anybody about that. |
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I think Colt will make them occasionally as needed.
I honestly don't think Colt has made the conversions for awhile; the one I received was definitely NOS - the packaging was older and one side was taped up, but it looked as if it had never been removed from the package. Likely bumped around warehouses / boxes for awhile until it split on the side, was taped up and finally made it's way from Colt to Brownells. |
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Originally Posted By Rhinowso96:
I think Colt will make them occasionally as needed. I honestly don't think Colt has made the conversions for awhile; the one I received was definitely NOS - the packaging was older and one side was taped up, but it looked as if it had never been removed from the package. Likely bumped around warehouses / boxes for awhile until it split on the side, was taped up and finally made it's way from Colt to Brownells. View Quote |
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no one cared about that conversion adapter and no one but collectors or a few completists cared about it
colt not making the adapter is no bellwether for if colt will have replacement parts for the 901. that is absurd. assuming there will never make the 901 again or sell them to the public is also a little silly. they have made a pause to fill huge contracts stop worrying the sky is falling and use your damn guns or sell them and buy some lesser gun from some other company if it helps you sleep better at night |
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Originally Posted By Shawnmt6601: no one cared about that conversion adapter and no one but collectors or a few completists cared about it colt not making the adapter is no bellwether for if colt will have replacement parts for the 901. that is absurd. assuming there will never make the 901 again or sell them to the public is also a little silly. they have made a pause to fill huge contracts stop worrying the sky is falling and use your damn guns or sell them and buy some lesser gun from some other company if it helps you sleep better at night View Quote |
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I finally ordered a 1-8 accupower to throw on my 901. Going to use a ADM mount. I’ll run it in some outlaw 2 gun matches and once I get a pump shotgun that isn’t an old winchester model 12 or model 97 I’ll use it for heavy division in 3gun. It’s a neat rifle. I wish colt had actual shooters that worked there.
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Well, I have extractor, firing pins, springs of all sorts. Unless it kabooms or the bolt shits itself, I can fix any normal issue.
And considering I've shot tens of thousands of rounds and not had a KB or Bolt shit, I'm confident the CM762 will do what I need it to do as a battle rifle. |
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Originally Posted By Kevyn: You're right. I'd sleep better at night knowing there was an LMT or KAC where the Colt USED to be! View Quote |
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Wouldn't the Colt Canada models (several military issue) components be compatible in regards to operating components BCG etc..?
My point being, if the BCGs are compatible it wouldn't be so far fetched to think Colt May source 'extra' when placing their supply orders for the Colt Canada models. Those 'extra' could be marketed via Brownells etc.. My personal solution to the part dilemma was to purchase 'two'. It's more economical and you are 100% redundant. Still good deals $1700ish on GB for the 901 series. I mean, how many people own only one mil spec AR.? I've always considered my multiples to be the core of me replacement components plan. I do carry pins n springs in storage but that's not my point. |
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I loaded up on spare parts when I was starting to get concerned about 18 months ago. I should be fine till I shoot out my barrel; then I'll be in a fix.
Although I wish I'd gotten at least one more conversion module. Slapping my 6944 upper on my 901 lower is great and I just leave the adapter on it constantly. |
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