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Posted: 8/10/2005 8:23:42 PM EDT
Is Colt making more of these or what? A month or two ago you could not find one for under about $1300. Now I see them all over for $1150. Colt must be aware that most of them are being sold to non LE buyers. Why do they persist with the PC BS??? Anyway I'm about ready to spring for one. Just wonder how much farther the prices will drop?
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What "PC BS" are you referring to? |
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I'm looking for a 6920. Who has them for the $1150 you mentioned? Thanks!
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Check www.gunbroker.com www.gunsamerica.com |
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The "PC BS" I'm refering to is that Colt (despite the AWB Ending) will only sell rifles in "post Ban" configuration to non LEO buyers. Of course the 6920 which has all the "evil" features are being sold to non LEO buyers buy dealers, despite being told not to by Colt. It's just amazing to me that Colt will not step up and produce the AR15 in "No Ban" configuration for the general public. Seems to me like they would sell very well? Does Colt not care that Bushmaster outsells them? Are they not in business to make $$$ |
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CJan_NH
Team Member Blissfully ignorant Colt KoolAid drinker Asked: What "PC BS" are you referring to? Dude, you're killing me!! I am a newbie and I have seen you do this a bunch of times already. Get a new trick. Regards, Rick |
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regalgseguy
Member Said: The "PC BS" I'm refering to is that Colt (despite the AWB Ending) will only sell rifles in "post Ban" configuration to non LEO buyers. Of course the 6920 which has all the "evil" features are being sold to non LEO buyers buy dealers, despite being told not to by Colt. It's just amazing to me that Colt will not step up and produce the AR15 in "No Ban" configuration for the general public. Seems to me like they would sell very well? Does Colt not care that Bushmaster outsells them? Are they not in business to make $$$ I can't find the animation for a fish hook and bait to put in right here but he chomped down hard. Come on, the guy asked a question. We love Colts ( I really do). Let it drop, answer the guy's question. Regards (seriously), Rick |
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This is a fantasy. I picked up a new LE6920 for $1250 45 days ago from my local dealer. At least 4 local gunshops in my area have Colt LE carbines for sale to anyone who can legally purchase a firearm. I have seen lots of 6520s and AR6721s for sale as well as the popular 6920 models. Even managed to find a couple of new 6450s. The prices vary widely, but that depends on the dealer, not Colt. Bottom line is, if you want one, you can have one. Like anything you must pay the purchase price. Expensive? Go look at Les Baer and Wilson Arms and you'll see that Colt is middle of the road in price. What more do you want? If you want Colt to give you a blowjob, you need to go buy something else. It ain't gonna happen. |
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Outsells them? To the civilian market, yes. Not to the .gov market. |
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It's funny how everyone blames Colt.. Like stated above, you can find a 6920..
It started with the dealers ripping off the gun buyers with the BS that Colt was not gonna make the LE marked 6920 anymore. I can remember last year people paying $1800 for a 6920 with buyers thinking that this gun, which was made in the tens of thousands, was gonna be a collectors item.. The dealers at the time where paying under $800.. Blame the FFL's and their close friends (who they sold to) for screwing the buyers with the high prices .. Down the prices will come.. |
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Excellent Point. In searching Gun Classifieds, I still see people trying to get upwards of 2K for their "Very Rare" standard LEO6920. Then you scroll to the next Ad and there is another NIB 6920 going for $1150. Seems like some must have been "takin to the cleaners" after the AWB sunset |
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Yup, I bit hard |
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Thanks for chomping down hard-I'll help remove that hook for you now It's no secret that I'm an ex Colt employee, and my insight may help you to change your mind about Colt's "PC BS". Months prior to the AWB sunset Colt quietly ramped up production of their 16" semiauto LEO line. The production of 6920s, 6721s, 6520s, and 6450s was increased dramatically in anticipation of post sunset demand. Colt did not anticipate hordes of cops lining up to buy their LEO carbines, but newly 'liberated' civilians. The whole "Colt won't sell LEO weapons to civilians" line is complete, utter nonsense. There are plenty of sources to buy factory fresh Colt LEO weapons. Colt has never stated that they won't sell LEO weapons to civilians. Colt's letter to dealers that everyone gets so lathered up about simply realigned LEO weapon sales through LEO distributors-it DID NOT prohibit non-LEOs from buying them-and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. It makes perfect sense for Colt to do this, and hundreds of other industries do the exact same thing. As far as post ban weapons go, how exactly would anyone know what post sunset weapons Colt is selling for the commercial market? They haven't built any yet! This may come as a shock to some, but Colt hasn't built a commercial Match Target rifle since the AWB sunset. Their entire capacity is being used for DoD contracts, with a small part left over for LEO and international sales. |
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Well obviousley Colt does not "Prohibit" sales to non-LEO individuals. So why do they stamp all the 6920s "LEO ONLY" As you say, Colt knows who's buying these rifles. IMHO they are trying to be "PC". Heaven forbid if one of their 6920s were to be used in a crime. Now Colt has an "out" and can say to the gun banners that surely would surface, that their guns were not intended for civilian use. Maybe they are just smarter than the others?
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I bet he'll say "they have tons of ban era lowers on hand. It will take years use them up and start making non restricted lowers. |
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Do they have "tons of ban era lowers on hand"???? |
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Funny, but this non-LEO had no problem getting a 6920, despite Colt's "PC BS." Bought it on Gunbroker for $1125--add $50 for shipping and transfer, and still a good deal IMHO. Shot it for the first time today. Ran like a champ. I'm happy.
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Exactly my point. Any one can buy one of their "LEO" rifles. So why do they try to make it seem like they are forbidden to us non LE buyers? Again, I think they are playing to the "PC" crowd. By the way congrats on the rifle. I'm going to get one also. I think I'll wait another month or two and see if the price comes down any farther. |
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Exactly my point. Any one can buy one of their "LEO" rifles. So why do they try to make it seem like they are forbidden to us non LE buyers? Again, I think they are playing to the "PC" crowd. By the way congrats on the rifle. I'm going to get one also. I think I'll wait another month or two and see if the price comes down any farther. |
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If you want to see an example of PC BS take a look at LMT's policies.
They will not sell you a complete rifle unless you are LE or AD Military. You could be off-duty AD military or LE buying it for your personal use and it's OK, but anyone else, forget it. You can piece the same rifle together, but they won't sell you the entire carbine. Now to me that is BS. Funny how no one ever brings that up. It's a always "Colt sucks because they won't sell to civilians". Really makes me scratch my head sometimes. |
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Between 11 and 12 is a reasonably fair price. All of mine were bought between those price ranges. That is out the door. I doubt you will find them much lower then that that are new. Bushies are around 9 to 10 around here.
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Exactly my point. Any one can buy one of their "LEO" rifles. So why do they try to make it seem like they are forbidden to us non LE buyers? Again, I think they are playing to the "PC" crowd. That would be my guess. Still don't like the restriced markings though. |
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There are still ban states out there maybe that's why they continue to mark them restricted.
Especially if they have not made any MT's since the ban. I kind of like the restricted marking on my AR6450. |
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Actually I like it also. Kind of adds to the EVILness of the beast
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And that's honestly why I think Colt has only made "LEO" stamped rifles since the ban expired. It adds to the appeal of the rifle when it has that stamp on it. Its like your rifle is just that much closer to being the "real deal". All of that adds to the appeal of the rifles and translates into higher sales. Its smart business by Colt. |
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Since you're on the subject of the Colt LE6920, may I ask a question? (after this one? hat Just always wanted an M-16/AR-15 style rifle ever since I was little watching the Planet of the Apes Movies and TV series.
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The "LEO" markings are a fortunate (for Colt, that is) consequence of the AWB. The stigma that the LEO marking has lets them get by with charging $200 more than Bushmaster and create an "exclusive" market where the buyer feels like he's buying "contraband".
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If that were the case, why don't Bushmaster and other AR makers do the same? I personally think Colt does this to keep the "PC" Antigun crowd appeased. Most of them probably think Colt rifles are only going to LE buyers. And I agree that the "LE ONLY" markings has an appeal to a lot of buyers as it makes (some) feel like they are getting an exclusive wepon. All in all I think Colt made a smart marketing move as their guns are in high demand. The prices are droping however |
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I don't think the others do it as a statement AGAINST Colt's PC attitude. Bushmaster has a large share of the civilian market BECAUSE they were pro-civilian (as well as Armalite) and had no-ban products for civilian consumption ready when the AWB died. |
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I too am waiting until I have the right amount of dollars to match with a nice Colt 6920.
I do like their product, although I have seen a couple of rough examples lately (?maybe assembled from parts?, not sure). I dis-agree with their approach to civilians, though, but understand that not liking their politics and not liking their products are 2 different things. They were the poster child for everything bad about the evil black rifle in the 90's, and with all the lawsuits and the ownership changes are understandably twitchy. Still don't like it though. Sam Colt would probably not approve. Who DOES actually own the Colt label now? Regards, Rick |
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The shareholders do. Colt is now publicly traded.
Source |
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Think I'll buy a share or two and write a letter as an "owner" recommendending they change their policies towards civilians.
I wonder a little about having a rifle marked "LEO Only" if and when the winds shift a little from the left. It might be easier to just confiscate rather than check date of manufacture. Probably nothing to worry about... Still planning on matching up my dollars wtih a 6920 at some point. Happy with my RRA for now. Rick |
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Good luck buying a M16 bolt carrier from Bushmaster...they won't sell them to you. Colt at least comes with a M16 carrier, although it's pointless since they have for all practical purposes a blocked receiver. |
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Where are they going for 1k? Did you try the EE? It's here on the site.
I seen at least 4 and hell that is what I picked up mine for. Shop around. Max |
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http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=293822
975 OBO for this one. It is used though. Max |
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