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Posted: 10/24/2013 4:22:44 PM EDT
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you could transfer your preban in state if you ever wanted or needed to
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Posted: 10/24/2013 4:30:47 PM EDT
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That's kind of what I was thinking. If I leave the preban as is the options to keep, mod or sell are endless. (for now anyway) Once I have a registration number on the post ban lower the features won't be limited and it could become an SBR like the cool people in free states get to have. Not a neutered version. Just checking to see if I am going about this the right way.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 5:07:39 PM EDT
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SBR everything
But in reality I sbr'd my one preban receiver before this happened.(received the stamp after everything) Now I kinda wish I hadnt, because we can have all features on post bans now too. So there is no benefit of sbring a preban now, even if we dont have to register prebans(still up in the air) if you sbr it, it is still registered to the feds. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:59:34 AM EDT
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you could transfer your preban in state if you ever wanted or needed to +1 better option one day if you want to unload it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 10:50:16 AM EDT
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Would there be any benefit to SBR'ing a preban instead of a now registered post ban virgin receiver? Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 11:41:45 AM EDT
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Question related to this, is it true that a SBR is not a assult weapon? Say like a Daniel Defense SBR brand new is a NFA gun right or class 3 weapon? Therefore is it still a AW? The lawyer who set up my trust seems to think a SBR is just that and not a AW so therefore legal to buy new or sell with proper tax stamps of course what say you guys?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 11:47:09 AM EDT
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Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would there be any benefit to SBR'ing a preban instead of a now registered post ban virgin receiver? Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. Not always the case, as my trust is post 4/4/13 so only AR I can put in it is my preban as I cant transfer my other AW's into it. So I would have to get CLEO to sign off on it asit would be as a individual. So if I do my preban I can efile a form 1, which I did. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:45:49 PM EDT
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Not always the case, as my trust is post 4/4/13 so only AR I can put in it is my preban as I cant transfer my other AW's into it. So I would have to get CLEO to sign off on it asit would be as a individual. So if I do my preban I can efile a form 1, which I did. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would there be any benefit to SBR'ing a preban instead of a now registered post ban virgin receiver? Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. Not always the case, as my trust is post 4/4/13 so only AR I can put in it is my preban as I cant transfer my other AW's into it. So I would have to get CLEO to sign off on it asit would be as a individual. So if I do my preban I can efile a form 1, which I did. You're saying that if I have a registered AW that I owned before 4/4 I can't SBR it using a trust? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:48:23 PM EDT
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You're saying that if I have a registered AW that I owned before 4/4 I can't SBR it using a trust? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would there be any benefit to SBR'ing a preban instead of a now registered post ban virgin receiver? Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. Not always the case, as my trust is post 4/4/13 so only AR I can put in it is my preban as I cant transfer my other AW's into it. So I would have to get CLEO to sign off on it asit would be as a individual. So if I do my preban I can efile a form 1, which I did. You're saying that if I have a registered AW that I owned before 4/4 I can't SBR it using a trust? If the gun was in the trust prior to 4/4/2013 you're OK. What you can't do is transfer it into the trust now. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 12:54:26 PM EDT
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If the gun was in the trust prior to 4/4/2013 you're OK. What you can't do is transfer it into the trust now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would there be any benefit to SBR'ing a preban instead of a now registered post ban virgin receiver? Nope. In fact there would be downside to doing so. Not always the case, as my trust is post 4/4/13 so only AR I can put in it is my preban as I cant transfer my other AW's into it. So I would have to get CLEO to sign off on it asit would be as a individual. So if I do my preban I can efile a form 1, which I did. You're saying that if I have a registered AW that I owned before 4/4 I can't SBR it using a trust? If the gun was in the trust prior to 4/4/2013 you're OK. What you can't do is transfer it into the trust now. Right, so you can't SBR it using the trust. But that goes back to once its SBR'd its not a AW anymore its a SBR, right? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:01:52 PM EDT
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Wow. Thanks for the clarification guys.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:03:11 PM EDT
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Its still an AW as far as ct is concerned. It is a semiauto with mu ltiple features.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:14:16 PM EDT
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Here's a what if,
What if you put a LL or RDIAS in said AW, its not an AW anymore, right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:18:52 PM EDT
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Its still an AW as far as ct is concerned. It is a semiauto with mu ltiple features. this is if its a post ban. A pre ban should be able to be transferred to a trust |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 1:21:43 PM EDT
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Here's a what if, What if you put a LL or RDIAS in said AW, its not an AW anymore, right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the lightning link is a federal registration the host is still a Connecticut issue. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:05:54 PM EDT
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How much are LL?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:29:35 PM EDT
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the lightning link is a federal registration the host is still a Connecticut issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a what if, What if you put a LL or RDIAS in said AW, its not an AW anymore, right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the lightning link is a federal registration the host is still a Connecticut issue. The host is an issue up until it stops being a semiautomatic or select fire firearm. Once its full auto only the AWB no longer applies. Of course once its full auto only then the machine gun statute(s) would apply. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:33:48 PM EDT
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How much are LL? 6-7k |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 2:37:21 PM EDT
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How much are LL? 6-7k todays market, you could probably double that.... |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:09:03 PM EDT
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The host is an issue up until it stops being a semiautomatic or select fire firearm. Once its full auto only the AWB no longer applies. Of course once its full auto only then the machine gun statute(s) would apply. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a what if, What if you put a LL or RDIAS in said AW, its not an AW anymore, right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the lightning link is a federal registration the host is still a Connecticut issue. The host is an issue up until it stops being a semiautomatic or select fire firearm. Once its full auto only the AWB no longer applies. Of course once its full auto only then the machine gun statute(s) would apply. Even better, if its a post ban AW, and registered as one, you should be able to have select fire, no? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:29:07 PM EDT
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A brain twister. If the host is postban registered to an individual, the lightning link is registered on a trust with the feds. Then the host and ll are registered with the state to the trust. Then while instate the ll must remain in the host at all times.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:30:35 PM EDT
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Even better, if its a post ban AW, and registered as one, you should be able to have select fire, no? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here's a what if, What if you put a LL or RDIAS in said AW, its not an AW anymore, right? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile the lightning link is a federal registration the host is still a Connecticut issue. The host is an issue up until it stops being a semiautomatic or select fire firearm. Once its full auto only the AWB no longer applies. Of course once its full auto only then the machine gun statute(s) would apply. Even better, if its a post ban AW, and registered as one, you should be able to have select fire, no? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I would argue that the lower is a CT issue until it become a SBR, yes it fails on the feature count but I don't see why a SBR is held to those same standards. I am by no means a lawyer so I am probably wrong as I barely can read that legal mumbo jumbo let alone understand is completely. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:36:20 PM EDT
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SBR does not exempt you from the AWB, they are separate issues.
Machineguns that are full-auto only do not fall under the AWB. You do, however, have to follow magazine capacity laws if you carry/transport the MG. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 4:42:26 PM EDT
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My understanding is that any sbr is subject to the individual state's AWB laws. In CT that meant SBRs prior to 4/4/13 that were not manufactured before 9/14/94 could not exceed the feature count. The barrel was just shorter than 16". Now once the firearm is a registered assault weapon its a free for all of features.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 10:00:32 PM EDT
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SBR everything
But in reality I sbr'd my one preban receiver before this happened.(received the stamp after everything) Now I kinda wish I hadnt, because we can have all features on post bans now too. So there is no benefit of sbring a preban now, even if we dont have to register prebans(still up in the air) if you sbr it, it is still registered to the feds. that's what i do hahah |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 8:47:49 AM EDT
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Even better, if its a post ban AW, and registered as one, you should be able to have select fire, no? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile well since the only way to get FA on a post ban "AW" is with a drop in sear or LL, and since the host is not the machine gun, the sear or link is, then I don't think select fire is an option. The link/sear kind of takes over the weapon once installed - so the post-ban assault weapon is not an assault weapon while its in there... |
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