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Posted: 12/30/2015 10:55:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2015 11:13:45 AM EDT by douglasmorris99]
part of the law states holster, belt or shoulder


I read further down that it requires a retention strap,

Yes OR No??

Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:06:15 AM EDT
The law just requires a shoulder or belt holster. Retention is not specified. However, one is a fool if they open carry and don't use a level 2 or greater holster in public.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:10:44 AM EDT
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:14:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.
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with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..


TxDps FAQ says it doesn't mention a type of holster beyond belt or shoulder..


anyone have the law I can read??
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:17:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..



I have not read the law. My head would be on a swivel,if i opened carried in the city.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:19:07 AM EDT
Final version has no retention requirement. Only mention of retention is to add instruction to the LTC training.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:21:56 AM EDT
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I have not read the law. My head would be on a swivel,if i opened carried in the city.
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Originally Posted By bigthicket:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..



I have not read the law. My head would be on a swivel,if i opened carried in the city.



I AGREE, just stated to a trainer that the law says retention holster..he said I'm an idiot..
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:45:47 AM EDT
While not the law for the individual having the trainer speak of it I feel is a great thing.

One thing I hope they teach as well is if you are making the switch, practice, practice, practice.

I came from an OC state and when I started I didn't have a retention holster, when I made the switch it was very different at first.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 11:59:13 AM EDT
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I AGREE, just stated to a trainer that the law says retention holster..he said I'm an idiot..
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..



I have not read the law. My head would be on a swivel,if i opened carried in the city.



I AGREE, just stated to a trainer that the law says retention holster..he said I'm an idiot..


No it just has to be a shoulder holster or attached to a belt in some fashion. It does not have to be a level 2 holster.

According to Leander Police Dept.

What kind of holster am I required to use and how can I carry it?

The law indicates that openly carried handguns must be carried "in a shoulder or belt holster" that is "on or about the person." The law does not define what a "shoulder or belt holster" is.

Since an open carried weapon must either be carried in a shoulder holster or a belt holster, will there be a set standard that constitutes what is considered a shoulder or belt holster?

Currently there is no standard that constitutes what is a shoulder or belt holster. We ask that common sense and good judgment be employed when carrying a handgun openly.

Will a "drop down" or "drop leg" holster, attached to a belt, be considered a proper open carry holster?

Yes, as long as it is still mounted to your belt which is the requirement in the law.

Can a paddle holster be used in open carry or does it have to be attached to a belt?

The law specifies a shoulder or belt holster.  A paddle holster should meet this requirement if it is worn clipped to a belt.

Is a "retention holster" required?

It is not required, but it is recommended.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 12:15:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:

Will a "drop down" or "drop leg" holster, attached to a belt, be considered a proper open carry holster?

Yes, as long as it is still mounted to your belt which is the requirement in the law.

Can a paddle holster be used in open carry or does it have to be attached to a belt?

The law specifies a shoulder or belt holster.  A paddle holster should meet this requirement if it is worn clipped to a belt.
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Those are interesting, thanks!

I wouldn't have considered the drop down attached to a belt is still "belt mounted" and that a paddle must be worn with a belt to be within the law.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 12:22:09 PM EDT
Article in the Killeen Daily Hearald this morning quoting the Killeen Chief of Police that a "Drop Leg Holster" does not meet the requirement of being a belt holster.  Think we are going to be in for some very interesting learning curves and too much interpretation between LE Agencies.
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I AGREE, just stated to a trainer that the law says retention holster..he said I'm an idiot..
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..



I have not read the law. My head would be on a swivel,if i opened carried in the city.



I AGREE, just stated to a trainer that the law says retention holster..he said I'm an idiot..


The law two years ago i think said level 2 retention. But was not in this bill.
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Originally Posted By BigMikeDFW:


Those are interesting, thanks!

I wouldn't have considered the drop down attached to a belt is still "belt mounted" and that a paddle must be worn with a belt to be within the law.
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Originally Posted By BigMikeDFW:
Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:

Will a "drop down" or "drop leg" holster, attached to a belt, be considered a proper open carry holster?

Yes, as long as it is still mounted to your belt which is the requirement in the law.

Can a paddle holster be used in open carry or does it have to be attached to a belt?

The law specifies a shoulder or belt holster.  A paddle holster should meet this requirement if it is worn clipped to a belt.
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Those are interesting, thanks!

I wouldn't have considered the drop down attached to a belt is still "belt mounted" and that a paddle must be worn with a belt to be within the law.





The paddle attaches to the belt, law does not say needs to attached by loops. Most IWB holsters don't use full loops.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 2:03:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AF-Odin:
Article in the Killeen Daily Hearald this morning quoting the Killeen Chief of Police that a "Drop Leg Holster" does not meet the requirement of being a belt holster.  Think we are going to be in for some very interesting learning curves and too much interpretation between LE Agencies.
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I don't see how it doesn't. As LPD says, there's no legal definition of a belt holster and a drop leg DOES use the belt.

ETA : I don't see why anyone would be using a drop leg anyway, I don't see a lot of people going out in armor
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Originally Posted By AF-Odin:
Article in the Killeen Daily Hearald this morning quoting the Killeen Chief of Police that a "Drop Leg Holster" does not meet the requirement of being a belt holster.  Think we are going to be in for some very interesting learning curves and too much interpretation between LE Agencies.
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Wonder what they'd do with an old western rig where the drop leg holster is attached to the belt?
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:


I don't see how it doesn't. As LPD says, there's no legal definition of a belt holster and a drop leg DOES use the belt.

ETA : I don't see why anyone would be using a drop leg anyway, I don't see a lot of people going out in armor
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By AF-Odin:
Article in the Killeen Daily Hearald this morning quoting the Killeen Chief of Police that a "Drop Leg Holster" does not meet the requirement of being a belt holster.  Think we are going to be in for some very interesting learning curves and too much interpretation between LE Agencies.


I don't see how it doesn't. As LPD says, there's no legal definition of a belt holster and a drop leg DOES use the belt.

ETA : I don't see why anyone would be using a drop leg anyway, I don't see a lot of people going out in armor


Nice to have if you're driving/riding.  Why do LE use them?
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Nice to have if you're driving/riding.  Why do LE use them?
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Not a cop, but I would assume they have drop legs on when they also have their vests on which would make it harder to draw from a normal/high ride belt holster.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 2:25:38 PM EDT
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Retention was specifically not mentioned in the final law that passed, so that is up to your own discretion.  

The Houston Police Chief and the Harris County DA at a November public forum both confirmed that a drop leg holster meets their definition of a belt holster.  Obviously that applies in Harris County, other counties may vary.    


HK Ag

Link Posted: 12/30/2015 2:28:26 PM EDT
this is what I read and am referring to,   mea culpa..


Individuals currently licensed will not be required to attend additional training.  Training curriculum for new applicants will be updated to reflect the new training requirements related to the use of restraint holsters and methods to ensure the secure carrying of openly carried handguns.  The new curriculum will be required for all classes beginning January 1, 2016.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 2:42:07 PM EDT
I would think it would be best to carry at LEAST level 2. I do have a Kydex OWB holster that I use on my War Belt. I would prefer to just OWB carry with a shirt on top, and disregard
any thoughts about accidently printing.
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I would think it would be best to carry at LEAST level 2. I do have a Kydex OWB holster that I use on my War Belt. I would prefer to just OWB carry with a shirt on top, and disregard
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Printing has never been against the law
Now with OC it's obviously not an issue

Link Posted: 12/30/2015 2:51:06 PM EDT
I'm just waiting on the first news report of an OCer getting his/her gun snatched out of a holster. Instead of a purse snatching, it'll be a gun snatching. SNATCH AND RUN!!!
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..


TxDps FAQ says it doesn't mention a type of holster beyond belt or shoulder..


anyone have the law I can read??
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Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..


TxDps FAQ says it doesn't mention a type of holster beyond belt or shoulder..


anyone have the law I can read??



Yes, Google "Texas house bill 910".    Read it yourself.  Nothing about retention.  Carry in a shitty fobus paddle if you like.  

If I were to open carry I would wear at minimum a level 2 holster.  And the Blackhawk Serpa is not really a level 2, despite their marketing.
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 3:12:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By txinvestigator:



Yes, Google "Texas house bill 910".    Read it yourself.  Nothing about retention.  Carry in a shitty fobus paddle if you like.  

If I were to open carry I would wear at minimum a level 2 holster.  And the Blackhawk Serpa is not really a level 2, despite their marketing.
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Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..


TxDps FAQ says it doesn't mention a type of holster beyond belt or shoulder..


anyone have the law I can read??



Yes, Google "Texas house bill 910".    Read it yourself.  Nothing about retention.  Carry in a shitty fobus paddle if you like.  

If I were to open carry I would wear at minimum a level 2 holster.  And the Blackhawk Serpa is not really a level 2, despite their marketing.


Eh, that's what I'll use the one time I OC (on the first ) until I find something better.

Originally Posted By Tboy:


Nice to have if you're driving/riding.  Why do LE use them?


Because they sometimes have armor and almost always have tons of shit cluttering their belt
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Originally Posted By AF-Odin:


Article in the Killeen Daily Hearald this morning quoting the Killeen Chief of Police that a "Drop Leg Holster" does not meet the requirement of being a belt holster.  Think we are going to be in for some very interesting learning curves and too much interpretation between LE Agencies.
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well, this will be fun..
Link Posted: 12/30/2015 5:01:18 PM EDT
and in all the other states OC is legal you hear about this happening how often ? If it was a problem it would have been ALL OVER the news from the ANTI's  

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Originally Posted By 021411:
I'm just waiting on the first news report of an OCer getting his/her gun snatched out of a holster. Instead of a purse snatching, it'll be a gun snatching. SNATCH AND RUN!!!
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:


Eh, that's what I'll use the one time I OC (on the first ) until I find something better.



Because they sometimes have armor and almost always have tons of shit cluttering their belt
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:
Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
Originally Posted By douglasmorris99:
Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I would think a pancake,or belt slide would be fine.

I ordered a G&G shoulder holster,for winter concealed carry.
They are back ordered.............everywhere.



with or with out a retention strap?? I am trying to find the law
I swear it states a retention holster..


TxDps FAQ says it doesn't mention a type of holster beyond belt or shoulder..


anyone have the law I can read??



Yes, Google "Texas house bill 910".    Read it yourself.  Nothing about retention.  Carry in a shitty fobus paddle if you like.  

If I were to open carry I would wear at minimum a level 2 holster.  And the Blackhawk Serpa is not really a level 2, despite their marketing.


Eh, that's what I'll use the one time I OC (on the first ) until I find something better.

Originally Posted By Tboy:


Nice to have if you're driving/riding.  Why do LE use them?


Because they sometimes have armor and almost always have tons of shit cluttering their belt


Agree. The only reason to wear a drop leg holster is to give you enough clearance around the body armor. I only wear mine when I running a warrant with armor on. Otherwise, I'm wearing a standard belt holster (I work in plainclothes). Drop leg holsters work for their intended purpose but they aren't something you want to wear for a long time, in my opinion. They can get kind of uncomfortable and they get in the way. Also, the make it hard to protect your gun if someone does try to snatch it. Weapon retention training is based upon securing the holster in place and the drop leg allows the suspect to yank it around your leg. They look cool, though.
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I'd imagine most of us have enough fat to equal the armor cops wear.  Most LE I encounter wear belt holsters but the tactical units I see tend to accessorize drop leg with their cargo pants.
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Originally Posted By MSB2199:

Agree. The only reason to wear a drop leg holster is to give you enough clearance around the body armor. I only wear mine when I running a warrant with armor on. Otherwise, I'm wearing a standard belt holster (I work in plainclothes). Drop leg holsters work for their intended purpose but they aren't something you want to wear for a long time, in my opinion. They can get kind of uncomfortable and they get in the way. Also, the make it hard to protect your gun if someone does try to snatch it. Weapon retention training is based upon securing the holster in place and the drop leg allows the suspect to yank it around your leg. They look cool, though.
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Drop leg is nice to wear if you're driving in a car since they don't get tied up in the seat belt.  I'd imagine running in one would be a pain.  Have you ever attached your's to the plate carrier?
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and in all the other states OC is legal you hear about this happening how often ? If it was a problem it would have been ALL OVER the news from the ANTI's  


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and in all the other states OC is legal you hear about this happening how often ? If it was a problem it would have been ALL OVER the news from the ANTI's  

Originally Posted By 021411:
I'm just waiting on the first news report of an OCer getting his/her gun snatched out of a holster. Instead of a purse snatching, it'll be a gun snatching. SNATCH AND RUN!!!



I'm not talking on a national level but on a local level. It's a matter of time until we hear stories locally about gun grabs. Don't know where you are in Texas but it's a matter of time here in the Houston area. Hope it doesn't happen but I'm not going to be naive about it and say it won't ever happen. A retention holster will give you that extra second to figure out what is happening and retain your weapon by whatever means. Idiots have tried to gun grab police officers from behind. What makes you think it won't happen to OCers?
I've seen paddle holsters pulled out of pants as well. Belt holsters with retention all the way for me.
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I'd imagine most of us have enough fat to equal the armor cops wear.  Most LE I encounter wear belt holsters but the tactical units I see tend to accessorize drop leg with their cargo pants.
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Originally Posted By Tboy:
Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:

Because they sometimes have armor and almost always have tons of shit cluttering their belt


I'd imagine most of us have enough fat to equal the armor cops wear.  Most LE I encounter wear belt holsters but the tactical units I see tend to accessorize drop leg with their cargo pants.


then leaning over to try and reach your weapon in the drop leg may be a bit of a stretch.

Originally Posted By MSB2199:

Agree. The only reason to wear a drop leg holster is to give you enough clearance around the body armor. I only wear mine when I running a warrant with armor on. Otherwise, I'm wearing a standard belt holster (I work in plainclothes). Drop leg holsters work for their intended purpose but they aren't something you want to wear for a long time, in my opinion. They can get kind of uncomfortable and they get in the way. Also, the make it hard to protect your gun if someone does try to snatch it. Weapon retention training is based upon securing the holster in place and the drop leg allows the suspect to yank it around your leg. They look cool, though.


Pretty much exactly what I've seen with LEO. All belt holsters unless part of a tactical unit or running training in armor out at the local range. There was a huge LEO shoot at Best of the West a few months ago. Cops from all over the state were here. Never seen so many civilians in drop leg holsters and cargo pants in one place
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I'd imagine most of us have enough fat to equal the armor cops wear.  Most LE I encounter wear belt holsters but the tactical units I see tend to accessorize drop leg with their cargo pants.
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Originally Posted By Synyster06Gates:

Because they sometimes have armor and almost always have tons of shit cluttering their belt


I'd imagine most of us have enough fat to equal the armor cops wear.  Most LE I encounter wear belt holsters but the tactical units I see tend to accessorize drop leg with their cargo pants.

A good set of love handles is just as good at retention as a level 2 holster...
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 7:58:31 AM EDT
So because its not wide spread anywhere else its going to happen in Huston makes sense.

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I'm not talking on a national level but on a local level. It's a matter of time until we hear stories locally about gun grabs. Don't know where you are in Texas but it's a matter of time here in the Houston area. Hope it doesn't happen but I'm not going to be naive about it and say it won't ever happen. A retention holster will give you that extra second to figure out what is happening and retain your weapon by whatever means. Idiots have tried to gun grab police officers from behind. What makes you think it won't happen to OCers?
I've seen paddle holsters pulled out of pants as well. Belt holsters with retention all the way for me.
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Originally Posted By shadycoh:
and in all the other states OC is legal you hear about this happening how often ? If it was a problem it would have been ALL OVER the news from the ANTI's  

Originally Posted By 021411:
I'm just waiting on the first news report of an OCer getting his/her gun snatched out of a holster. Instead of a purse snatching, it'll be a gun snatching. SNATCH AND RUN!!!



I'm not talking on a national level but on a local level. It's a matter of time until we hear stories locally about gun grabs. Don't know where you are in Texas but it's a matter of time here in the Houston area. Hope it doesn't happen but I'm not going to be naive about it and say it won't ever happen. A retention holster will give you that extra second to figure out what is happening and retain your weapon by whatever means. Idiots have tried to gun grab police officers from behind. What makes you think it won't happen to OCers?
I've seen paddle holsters pulled out of pants as well. Belt holsters with retention all the way for me.

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Drop leg is nice to wear if you're driving in a car since they don't get tied up in the seat belt.  I'd imagine running in one would be a pain.  Have you ever attached your's to the plate carrier?
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Originally Posted By MSB2199:

Agree. The only reason to wear a drop leg holster is to give you enough clearance around the body armor. I only wear mine when I running a warrant with armor on. Otherwise, I'm wearing a standard belt holster (I work in plainclothes). Drop leg holsters work for their intended purpose but they aren't something you want to wear for a long time, in my opinion. They can get kind of uncomfortable and they get in the way. Also, the make it hard to protect your gun if someone does try to snatch it. Weapon retention training is based upon securing the holster in place and the drop leg allows the suspect to yank it around your leg. They look cool, though.


Drop leg is nice to wear if you're driving in a car since they don't get tied up in the seat belt.  I'd imagine running in one would be a pain.  Have you ever attached your's to the plate carrier?



Nope, I have enough stuff on their already and I've never been comfortable with the draw. I've got nearly 30 years of muscle memory reaching for a gun on my hip (or that general area). To be honest, I've only recently started wearing the drop leg and only because someone got a wild hair and issued it to us. I run mine with only one strap and pretty high up so it's snug and fairly close to my hip.

Regarding a retention holster I always hear people arguing against it for OC because they never hear about a gun grab on an open carrier. That seems like a poor reason to not take a little precaution. Something like a Safariland ALS belt holster has a very unobtrusive retention system and it doesn't slow your draw down at all. It just seems like sensible precaution. In nearly 30 years of policing I've only had one serious attempt to grab my gun and I was damn glad that I had sufficient retention to buy my time to get my hands on the gun. Just because there are few recorded attempts at gun grabs on OC'ers doesn't mean it can't or won't happen to you.
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I've survived several gun snatch attempts over the years. One was such a knock-down  fight that at one point all my weight was being supported by the holster and gun. (Yes, he picked my UP by the gun.  I'm 6'3")  Safariland for the win, it held the gun even after it was broken.

I HATE thigh holsters.  They are made specifically to hit things. Bash them into the car door, bash them into a glass display case, bash them into the head of some 5-year old, snag them in a hurricane fence, the list goes on and on.
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Originally Posted By John-in-austin:
I've survived several gun snatch attempts over the years. One was such a knock-down  fight that at one point all my weight was being supported by the holster and gun. (Yes, he picked my UP by the gun.  I'm 6'3")  Safariland for the win, it held the gun even after it was broken.

I HATE thigh holsters.  They are made specifically to hit things. Bash them into the car door, bash them into a glass display case, bash them into the head of some 5-year old, snag them in a hurricane fence, the list goes on and on.
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I've got 2 paddle holsters for 2 different guns. Both are extremely tight to go in my waistband. They have a hook that acts as a barb to make it very hard to remove from waistband. Trying to pull one of these from me, the waistband, belt or holster would break before the paddle would come out.
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Originally Posted By John-in-austin:
I've survived several gun snatch attempts over the years. One was such a knock-down  fight that at one point all my weight was being supported by the holster and gun. (Yes, he picked my UP by the gun.  I'm 6'3")  Safariland for the win, it held the gun even after it was broken.

I HATE thigh holsters.  They are made specifically to hit things. Bash them into the car door, bash them into a glass display case, bash them into the head of some 5-year old, snag them in a hurricane fence, the list goes on and on.
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I would never wear a thigh holster for every day carry as a patrol officer or any other capacity. Like I said, I only have one now because I was issued the thing and I have used twice now when serving warrants. My EDC is a Raven Concealment Phantom holster worn concealed. I support OC but I won't do it. I did for awhile as a young Detective and I came to hate it. You become the center of attention which is not a good thing in my book.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 8:11:25 PM EDT
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How tight does the ALS hold the gun to your body (conceal under a t-shirt)?

Originally Posted By MSB2199:
My EDC is a Raven Concealment Phantom holster worn concealed.
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I plan on switching from IWB to carrying OWB in my Raven with my shirt over it.
Link Posted: 12/31/2015 8:47:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dcs12345:
How tight does the ALS hold the gun to your body (conceal under a t-shirt)?


I plan on switching from IWB to carrying OWB in my Raven with my shirt over it.
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Originally Posted By dcs12345:
How tight does the ALS hold the gun to your body (conceal under a t-shirt)?

Originally Posted By MSB2199:
My EDC is a Raven Concealment Phantom holster worn concealed.

I plan on switching from IWB to carrying OWB in my Raven with my shirt over it.


I carried the ALS for awhile before I switched to the Raven. It wasn't bad but the Raven and similar pancake style holsters are tighter to the body. It's going to depend on the size of the gun and whether or not you wear a Shmedium t-shirt or not.

This is the holster I was talking about:

Safariland 6378

It also comes with a belt slide attachment if you don't like the paddle. I never tried it, the paddle is very snug to your belt. For the price it's worth trying out.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 10:19:39 AM EDT
No retention required, but no way in hell I would OC w/o some level of retention. I know retention features are not the end all be all in regards to someone attempting to remove your firearm, as situational awareness is key, but it's another easy layer of protection.
Link Posted: 1/1/2016 11:10:37 AM EDT
I've always carried in some sort of retention holster, just in a day of going about your business it is easy to bend over to reach something and drop your gun if in a cheap Uncle Mike's type holster. And much more comfortable to carry all day with a good holster and belt.
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