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Posted: 9/21/2011 1:48:24 PM EDT
so, after realizing i can never legally convert my saiga 12 to the appropriate configuration here, i'm getting rid of it (well, actually trading it to someone who will be able to treat it properly)...

this leaves me looking for another semi-auto shotgun. any recommendations based upon the mag capacity restrictions, etc.?

yes, it's a very open-ended request... not looking for a 'hunting' shotgun but, rather something more along the lines of max capacity in a shade of black.
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 2:01:09 PM EDT
Check out the Benelli M2 or the FN SLP. Both are awesome shotguns and legal here with no mods.
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 2:05:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2011 2:07:23 PM EDT by mjsemtex]
Originally Posted By mak0:
Check out the Benelli M2 or the FN SLP. Both are awesome shotguns and legal here with no mods.


cool... for some reason i was thinking the SLP was a higher mag capacity... nice.

ETA: i think i might've been thinking about the mossberg 930 SPX which is an 8-shot in some configs.
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 3:31:15 PM EDT
I wouldn't be so fast to write off the Saiga. It's your call, but you can make a S12 NJ legal and still be bad ass. Here's a pic of mine When I lived in Va, and a pic after I converted it to bring to NJ

Va version


Nj version
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 3:52:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
I wouldn't be so fast to write off the Saiga. It's your call, but you can make a S12 NJ legal and still be bad ass. Here's a pic of mine When I lived in Va, and a pic after I converted it to bring to NJ

Va version
http://home.comcast.net/~trianglechoke/s12.jpg

Nj version
http://home.comcast.net/~trianglechoke/s12rs8.jpg


That looks great!!
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 3:58:38 PM EDT
that is quite a nice conversion on the NJ-legal version.

i had thought about doing a sort of PSL wood buttstock on mine.
Link Posted: 9/21/2011 5:03:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2011 7:27:29 AM EDT
OK...

Where did you get that stock and forward grip?

RW3
Link Posted: 9/22/2011 9:46:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/22/2011 11:29:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2011 12:22:19 PM EDT by Justin_Sain]
Thanks, the bbl is 18.5" total with the MB welded in place
The stock was from a Bulgarian/Arsenal SLR95, the front handguard is just a standard poly handguard but with a a VFG from a Polish Beryl

No link for the stock, but I got the HG from:
http://www.robertrtg.com/berylkhg.html

ETA, I tried this version also, but like the current one a little better and I think it's more of a thumb"hole" stock than "technically" a thumbhole stock.

Link Posted: 9/22/2011 4:34:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:
The stock was from a Bulgarian/Arsenal SLR95, the front handguard is just a standard poly handguard but with a a VFG from a Polish Beryl


and i've got one of those in the closet already...
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 10:27:33 AM EDT
Is the Benelli M4 NJ legal in the pistol grip version?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 10:28:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By arbob:
Is the Benelli M4 NJ legal in the pistol grip version?


No
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 11:05:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mak0:
Originally Posted By arbob:
Is the Benelli M4 NJ legal in the pistol grip version?


No


Bummer
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 11:10:01 AM EDT
Mako,
I thought the FN SLP wasn`t legal because it had a 9 round capacity.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 11:30:14 AM EDT
Anything over 6rds in Semi auto shotgun = no go
Pistol grip on Semi auto shotgun = no go
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 11:30:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By arbob:
Mako,
I thought the FN SLP wasn`t legal because it had a 9 round capacity.


It is 6+1 according to FN's website: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002&mid=FNM0018
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 2:58:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2011 2:58:51 PM EDT by arbob]
Originally Posted By mak0:
Originally Posted By arbob:
Mako,
I thought the FN SLP wasn`t legal because it had a 9 round capacity.


It is 6+1 according to FN's website: http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=fnf005&gid=fng002&mid=FNM0018


OK, the MK 1 Competition SLP holds 8 rounds. I guess that one is a no go.
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 9:02:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Justin_Sain:


I hate to be contrary, but how is that not a pistol grip?
Link Posted: 9/25/2011 9:35:07 PM EDT
I would love to be able to buy a Benelli M4 in black. It just sucks we can't.
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 4:03:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 4:13:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lion_Dog:
The added piece along the bottom, connecting the pistol grip to the rest of the stock.
.: THUMBHOLE stock, not pistol.
Am I correct???

I don't think NJ has ever said if a thumbhole stock is a pistol grip or not, but during the ban the ATF had said that a thumbhole stock is a pistol grip.

NJ law says: 2C:39-1 z. "Pistol grip" means a well-defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand.

I am not saying that the grip in question is or is not legal, but I sure wouldn't want it on a semi shotgun that I owned as it is too likely to lead to legal problems.

Link Posted: 9/26/2011 4:52:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 5:36:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2011 8:51:19 AM EDT by dontalo]
Originally Posted By Lion_Dog:
I hate this state....

The spirit of N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 Definitions. "Assault firearms" means:
3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock
or a pistol grip;
was to restrict this:



The spirit of N.J.A.C. 13:54-1.2 Definitions. "Assault firearms" means:
2. Any firearm manufactured under any designation, which is substantially identical...
iii. A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:
(1) A folding or telescoping stock;
(2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(3) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of six rounds; and/or
(4) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
was to permit this:



Since those two definitions are in conflict, it is open to interpretation as to which is applicable. And if, as you guys are saying, definition #3 is being interpreted as restricting the Saiga stocks shown in the thread above, then what is to prevent it from being interpreted as restricting shotguns such as the 1187 that are clearly purposeful for hunting.
Yet, I seem to recall seeing 1187's at local stores. I am going to pay closer attention next time.
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 5:49:11 AM EDT
the questionable legality of pistol vs. thumbhole and the fact that i can't do a proper conversion of the S12 is why i'm trading it (to someone who can)... besides, i'll have another glock when i'm done and i'll still be able to shoot the saiga in proper form when i visit (which is quite frequently).
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 8:33:17 AM EDT
http://images.wikia.com/mafiawars/images/1/1b/Beretta_benelli.jpg

I believe the civilian version of this has a 4+1 capacity and a fixed stock. Pistol grip is the issue.

http://www.guntechinc.com/m4-pistolgrip-large.jpg
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 3:30:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
I would love to be able to buy a Benelli M4 in black. It just sucks we can't.


You can, just not with a pistol grip.
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 11:20:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By arbob:
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
I would love to be able to buy a Benelli M4 in black. It just sucks we can't.


You can, just not with a pistol grip.


Well, that's a big problem now, isn't it? I don't really want to be modifying it (if that's even possible) because i really like the way it looks with the pistol grip.
Link Posted: 9/28/2011 11:37:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By arbob:
Originally Posted By mak0:
Originally Posted By arbob:
Is the Benelli M4 NJ legal in the pistol grip version?


No


Bummer


No Pistol-Grip Semi-Auto shotgun is Legal here...I lost a REALLY good deal on a High Standard bullpup because of that
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 9:27:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
Originally Posted By arbob:
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
I would love to be able to buy a Benelli M4 in black. It just sucks we can't.


You can, just not with a pistol grip.


Well, that's a big problem now, isn't it? I don't really want to be modifying it (if that's even possible) because i really like the way it looks with the pistol grip.


Benelli markets a compliant version. Ramsey Outdoor has it on the shelf.
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