leave the debit card at home $4.50 for a corn dog!  OUCH!

Quoted: leave the debit card at home $4.50 for a corn dog!  OUCH!

What about concealed carry?

R.

I believe the answer is "No" IIRC.

There was another thread...

Quoted: I believe the answer is "No" IIRC. There was another thread...

You CAN carry into the State Fair of Texas.  Its the law.  ;)

Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.  

Quoted: Quoted: I believe the answer is "No" IIRC. There was another thread... You CAN carry into the State Fair of Texas.  Its the law.  ;) Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.

Guess I remembered wrong.

HAHA!

Thanks, txi.

Quoted: Quoted: I believe the answer is "No" IIRC. There was another thread... You CAN carry into the State Fair of Texas.  Its the law.  ;) Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.

With your weapon???

CMOS

Both Packing.org and TSRA.com indicate that concealed carry is OK at the State Fair.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe the answer is "No" IIRC. There was another thread... You CAN carry into the State Fair of Texas.  Its the law.  ;) Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.   With your weapon??? CMOS

Yep  

Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.  

Hear is what was suggested to me in my last CHL Renell class.  Find a police officer and let him, or her know that you have a CHL and that you know that the law now states that you can carry in to the park.  See if he/she will walk you past security so that there is not a big seen at security when they find out you are carrying and they do not know the law.

If you go up to a security person and tell them you have a CHL and that you are carrying

1. you have broken the law, you are not suppose to discus the fact that you are carrying in public where other can hear you because then it is no longer concealed everyone that herd you knows.  

2. the security person may not know the law and call the police over to arrest you?

It will probably be much simpler if you let the police who are at the gates (and If it is anything like last year you will see plenty standing around the gates) know that you wish to inter with your CHL and pistol.  The police may wont to ask some questions like  How are you carrying (They wont to make sher that no one will know, no one will be able to get it from you, and that If you go on a ride that it will not come loose and fly into the crowd)  If you have a fanny pack it might be the best way to carry into the state fair.

I hope that this first hand experience helps

Quoted: Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.   Hear is what was suggested to me in my last CHL Renell class.  Find a police officer and let him, or her know that you have a CHL and that you know that the law now states that you can carry in to the park.  See if he/she will walk you past security so that there is not a big seen at security when they find out you are carrying and they do not know the law. If you go up to a security person and tell them you have a CHL and that you are carrying 1. you have broken the law, you are not suppose to discus the fact that you are carrying in public where other can hear you because then it is no longer concealed everyone that herd you knows.

 Bullshit.  show me where the Penal Code or any other law says you cannot discuss the fact that you are carrying.  And by what logic did you use to come to the conclusion that telling someone you are carrying means you are no longer concealed?????  

2. the security person may not know the law and call the police over to arrest you?

 So what if the security person does not know the law.....the cop does.  

It will probably be much simpler if you let the police who are at the gates (and If it is anything like last year you will see plenty standing around the gates) know that you wish to inter with your CHL and pistol.  The police may wont to ask some questions like  How are you carrying (They wont to make sher that no one will know, no one will be able to get it from you, and that If you go on a ride that it will not come loose and fly into the crowd)  If you have a fanny pack it might be the best way to carry into the state fair.

 The police cannot deny you entrance because they don't like the manner in which you carry.  

I am just saying that if you openly discus that you are carrying in a public place and some one hears you and in turn knows that you are carrying, at that point the fact that you are counseling a weapon is no longer true.  some one now knows about it.  It is like you had it on your hip unconcealed. The fact that you are carrying will no longer be concealed from whoever hears you (if they even do) and then It is no longer concealed from that public person. They may not physically see it but they know it is there.  Isn't the point of a CHL to carry and no one know about it?

You may have a better chance hoping that the police knows more about CHL rules than a security person.  I said nothing about the police denying you entry.  The police could tel you to take it back to your car if they wonted, they wouldn't be right.

I'm not stating law, I'm just telling you what I was told would possibly be the best way to do this by the CHL  instructor when I went for my renell.  

I went to the fair last year and did this, it was pleasant, quicker than waiting in line, and the police thanked me for going threw them instead of security.

No bullshit

Your CHL is not a ID card and its sole purpose is to give to the Police to show them that you have been extended the courtesy by the state to carry.

I will look for my CHL booklet and go over the laws again. and apologize if I am wrong.

Again not stating law just repeating what I was toled CHL instructor who happened to be chef of police.

Do it however you wont,

Quoted: I am just saying that if you openly discus that you are carrying in a public place and some one hears you and in turn knows that you are carrying, at that point the fact that you are counseling a weapon is no longer true.  some one now knows about it.  It is like you had it on your hip unconcealed. The fact that you are carrying will no longer be concealed from whoever hears you (if they even do) and then It is no longer concealed from that public person. They may not physically see it but they know it is there.  Isn't the point of a CHL to carry and no one know about it?

This is why you have to go to school to practice law.  What is forbidden is "brandishing" which means deliberately uncovering your weapon in public.  In fact, my CHL instructor stated that telling people you have a CHL can be a good way to avoid iffy situations.  For example, homie is approaching you in a threatening manner, but he hasn't done anything overtly threatening.  If you wait he may attack you and force you to shoot him, and possibly injure yourself in the process.  If you brandish the gun he may call the cops on you (sometimes homie knows that the first person to call the police is the "victim").  However, if you tell homie that you feel threatened and are lawfully carrying a concealed weapon then you have broken no law and he gets the picture.

Plus, its a wonderful fact to tell the jury if homie is stupid and you end up having to shoot him.    

Quoted:
I am just saying that if you openly discus that you are carrying in a public place and some one hears you and in turn knows that you are carrying, at that point the fact that you are counseling a weapon is no longer true.  some one now knows about it.  It is like you had it on your hip unconcealed. [quote/]  That is bullshit.  Have you even bothered to read the law?  

And dude, learn how to spell.  

I will look for my CHL hand book.  I very well could be wrong (Would not be the first and probably not the last)  From now on I will no longer quote what I have been told just because I think that that person (chef of police) knew what they were talking about.

As far as my spelling,  I apologize that I was not born perfect like you.  Unfortunately I was born with learning disability's.  I do use ispell but because I do not know how to spell correctly in the first place, well trash can happen.

If you do not like th way I spell thin do not read my post,  and if you do, then keep you mouth shut about my spelling.

Thanks and have a wonderful day!

Quoted: Quoted: I believe the answer is "No" IIRC. There was another thread... You CAN carry into the State Fair of Texas.  Its the law.  ;) Simply tell one of the security people you are a holder and they will get a supervisor to check your CHL and in you go.

A friend of mine went.  He said it took 8 mins to get through security, and then he was good to go.

Quoted: I will look for my CHL hand book.  I very well could be wrong (Would not be the first and probably not the last)  From now on I will no longer quote what I have been told just because I think that that person (chef of police) knew what they were talking about. As far as my spelling,  I apologize that I was not born perfect like you.  Unfortunately I was born with learning disability's.  I do use ispell but because I do not know how to spell correctly in the first place, well trash can happen. If you do not like th way I spell thin do not read my post,  and if you do, then keep you mouth shut about my spelling. Thanks and have a wonderful day!

I have another idea, if you can't spell, don't bother to post and keep your mouth shut.  

See, when you post BS as fact it can cause people to believe your BS.  No offense, but perhaps you "learning disability" affects your ability to discern what is legal and not legal.  Maybe you should refrain from posting your mistaken facts in threads such as these.

I have another idea, if you can't spell, don't bother to post and keep your mouth shut.

Why are you being so rude?  Did someone crap it your cereal?  I never claimed to be stating law, or fact. I was just sharing what I was told, and personal experience at the fair.  I did apologize for not knowing the law and for repeating what I was told by my my CHL instructor.  What els can I do to appease you.

I will not stop posting because you suggested it, this forum is for anyone who wonts to get on and ask questions or share ideas and knowledge.

I do not know why you think you are better than me.  I do not know what your deal is.

Grow up  - this is a free country!

Jeez. We have been allowed to carry in the Park since 2003. So now this is the third year. Why is it so hard for some people understand how it works?

ARFCOM day at the State Fair of Texas, anyone?

Quoted: I have another idea, if you can't spell, don't bother to post and keep your mouth shut. Why are you being so rude?  Did someone crap it your cereal?  I never claimed to be stating law, or fact. I was just sharing what I was told, and personal experience at the fair.  I did apologize for not knowing the law and for repeating what I was told by my my CHL instructor.  What els can I do to appease you. I will not stop posting because you suggested it, this forum is for anyone who wonts to get on and ask questions or share ideas and knowledge. I do not know why you think you are better than me.  I do not know what your deal is. Grow up  - this is a free country!

Now thats the pot calling the kettle black.  

Quoted: Let's keep the personal attacks out of this forum.   Spelling flames are lame - not everyone here was even born an English speaker.  Just because someone doesn't spell something properly doesn't mean what they say is automatically invalid.   Debate the concept, not the person.

I'll agree that debating the concept is the thing to do, but what if you can't understand the concept?  These forums DO HAVE A SPELLCHECK function.  I don't know if it'll help with a CHL renell, but it's got to help make this guy's posts easier to understand.

At the State Fair Gate -- I had my Glock in my holster in the small of my back. I saw the security clowns were wanding people from the thigh up to their head. They were too lazy to bend over wand to the feet. I got out of line and hide behind some cars. I removed my Glock from my holster and put it in my boot. I had a slight bulge at the ankle but breezed right thru security. I went to the bathroom and put my glock back into my holster.

Cowboy Troy rocked at the Chevrolet Stage. I was front row.

happycynic wrote:

In fact, my CHL instructor stated that telling people you have a CHL can be a good way to avoid iffy situations. For example, homie is approaching you in a threatening manner, but he hasn't done anything overtly threatening. If you wait he may attack you and force you to shoot him, and possibly injure yourself in the process. If you brandish the gun he may call the cops on you (sometimes homie knows that the first person to call the police is the "victim"). However, if you tell homie that you feel threatened and are lawfully carrying a concealed weapon then you have broken no law and he gets the picture. Plus, its a wonderful fact to tell the jury if homie is stupid and you end up having to shoot him.

as a CHL instructor let me chime in here for clarification.

1. you CAN tell someone you are armed AND threaten to use deadly force, IF the use of force is justified.  meaning, the THREAT of deadly force is considered a USE OF FORCE, but it is not considered a use of DEADLY FORCE.  the example above shows this, where "homie" is coming at you in a threatening manner, so you can justify a use of force, but not a use of deadly force.

2. you CANNOT tell someone that you are armed when there is NO justification to use force (not just deadly force, but any force).  thus, in a situation where NO force is justifiable, then telling someone you are carrying a gun is equivalent to "open carry" which is a violation of UCW and hence you are subject to arrest.  an example: a traffic altercation in a parking lot.  neither party is physically aggressive, but both CHL holder and other party are in a verbal argument over a parking space.  CHL holder states he is armed, when there exists no justification to use any force.  CHL holder is guilty of "open carry" and is subject to arrest.

DPS gave an example of a similar situation in my instructor class, where during the verbal argument (traffic altercation) in a parking lot, the other party saw a bulge in the CHL holder's shirt and asked him if he was carrying a gun.  CHL said he was carrying a gun.  when DPS showed up, they found the CHL holder was in violation of "open carry" because the other party was aware of the presence of the firearm, and that no force was justifiable.  thus they arrested the CHL holder.

bottom line:  don't tell people you are carrying unless they are L.E. (and you are being detained), or  you can justify ANY use of force.

Quoted: DPS gave an example of a similar situation in my instructor class, where during the verbal argument (traffic altercation) in a parking lot, the other party saw a bulge in the CHL holder's shirt and asked him if he was carrying a gun.  CHL said he was carrying a gun.  when DPS showed up, they found the CHL holder was in violation of "open carry" because the other party was aware of the presence of the firearm, and that no force was justifiable.  thus they arrested the CHL holder.

Interesting take. The law says:

(3)  "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence
of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a
reasonable person.

Most folks would think "observation" would only be made visually, but this cases shows observation can be made by any of the 5 basic senses, in this case the ears. A side effect is since telling someone you have a gun is would put you in violation of the law, it seems you would be allowed to lie about your handgun in this situation.

Renegade X wrote:

A side effect is since telling someone you have a gun is would put you in violation of the law, it seems you would be allowed to lie about your handgun in this situation.

You're absolutely correct.  There is no law that says you cannot lie about your carrying of a concealed handgun unless it is to anyone specifically enumerated in the Penal Code:  law enforcement, during a detention.

if you are just casually conversing with a police officer, and he is not detaining you, you do not have to tell them you are carrying a firearm.

it is always best not to tell someone whom you do not know, and is not a LE officer, that you are carrying a firearm, unless the circumstances dictate otherwise.  it's none of their business really.

Quoted: 2. you CANNOT tell someone that you are armed when there is NO justification to use force (not just deadly force, but any force).  thus, in a situation where NO force is justifiable, then telling someone you are carrying a gun is equivalent to "open carry" which is a violation of UCW and hence you are subject to arrest.  an example: a traffic altercation in a parking lot.  neither party is physically aggressive, but both CHL holder and other party are in a verbal argument over a parking space.  CHL holder states he is armed, when there exists no justification to use any force.  CHL holder is guilty of "open carry" and is subject to arrest. DPS gave an example of a similar situation in my instructor class, where during the verbal argument (traffic altercation) in a parking lot, the other party saw a bulge in the CHL holder's shirt and asked him if he was carrying a gun.  CHL said he was carrying a gun.  when DPS showed up, they found the CHL holder was in violation of "open carry" because the other party was aware of the presence of the firearm, and that no force was justifiable.  thus they arrested the CHL holder. bottom line:  don't tell people you are carrying unless they are L.E. (and you are being detained), or  you can justify ANY use of force.

Did either of those hold up in court?  I serious doubt a court would uphold DPS interpretation there.  By that logic if I tell my girlfriend that I am carrying - or even if she knows me and knows I am carrying - I am in violation of the law.  I suspect the cops just got it wrong when they arrested both individuals.  The first situation could have been justified if by stating that he had a gun the CHL holder had made a threat, but the facts don't state that.  

Quoted: Quoted: DPS gave an example of a similar situation in my instructor class, where during the verbal argument (traffic altercation) in a parking lot, the other party saw a bulge in the CHL holder's shirt and asked him if he was carrying a gun.  CHL said he was carrying a gun.  when DPS showed up, they found the CHL holder was in violation of "open carry" because the other party was aware of the presence of the firearm, and that no force was justifiable.  thus they arrested the CHL holder. Interesting take. The law says: (3)  "Concealed handgun" means a handgun, the presence of which is not openly discernible to the ordinary observation of a reasonable person. Most folks would think "observation" would only be made visually, but this cases shows observation can be made by any of the 5 basic senses, in this case the ears. A side effect is since telling someone you have a gun is would put you in violation of the law, it seems you would be allowed to lie about your handgun in this situation.

I REALLY doubt that a court would interpret it that way.  Think of where it would lead.  What if I smell Hoppes or Gunpowder on a person?  Are they in violation of the law?  What if I tell a friend I carry?  What if somone hears my watch click against something metal on my side?