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Posted: 7/29/2009 8:21:48 AM EST
i was out of town for an extended amount of time, but i'm back now. i've heard that there has been some semi-recent legislation making it legal to conceal carry in your automobile if you don't have a CCW. that part i'm not really concerned about (though i think it's a good thing) since i've got a CCW - but i heard that you can also carry a loaded rifle in your car as well. is this true? anyone have any links talking about this stuff?

thanks!
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 11:40:37 AM EST
Loaded pistol is good to go loaded rifle, shotgun or muzzleloader is NOT good to go.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle, unless:
(i) the vehicle is in the person's lawful possession; or
(ii) the person is carrying the loaded firearm in a vehicle with the consent of the person lawfully in possession of the vehicle;
(b) on a public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply to a minor under 18 years of age, since a minor under 18 years of age may not carry a loaded firearm in or on a vehicle.
(3) Notwithstanding Subsection (1)(a)(i) and (ii), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a vehicle.
(4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 11:52:18 AM EST
I believe that the utah definition of unloaded is an empty chamber, a mag or tube can be full.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 7:51:26 PM EST
Gibbles yes that is correct, Unloaded by Utah's definition is two actions to fire and no rounds in the firing position.
But due to the recent change of the law you can have a fully loaded pistol in your vehicle.

Example semi auto rifle full mag but none in chamber (racking the bolt and squeezing the trigger are your two actions.)
Double action revolver chamber under hammer empty as well as the next chamber. (squeeze trigger twice to discharge)
Single action revolver chamber under hammer empty (cocking the hammer and squeezing the trigger)
ect.....
Link Posted: 7/31/2009 8:07:40 PM EST
For those planning on doing this I would suggest the following:

Print a copy of the bill and keep it in your vehicle.

If you get pulled over, tell the officer,"I have a LEGAL firearm in the vehicle."

If you don't tell the officer and they find out by it say, falling out of you glove box when you get your registration, they will take "defensive measures" against you.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 7:06:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zedhead:
If you get pulled over, tell the officer,"I have a LEGAL firearm in the vehicle."
If you don't tell the officer and they find out by it say, falling out of you glove box when you get your registration, they will take "defensive measures" against you.


I hold the opposite opinion. It is none of the cop's business what I have in my car. The more he knows, the more reasons he has to be oppressive. Invoke the 5th.

Originally Posted By jjwheeler2:
Loaded pistol is good to go loaded rifle, shotgun or muzzleloader is NOT good to go.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
...
(3) Notwithstanding Subsection (1)(a)(i) and (ii), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a vehicle.
(4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.


This is only a violation for non-permit holders. Anyone with a permit from any state may possess a loaded long arm in their vehicle.

76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
(1) This part and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, do not apply to any of the following:
(a) a United States marshal;
(b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
(c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
(d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(f) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as merchandise; or
(g) a nonresident traveling in or through the state, provided that any firearm is:
(i) unloaded; and
(ii) securely encased as defined in Section 76-10-501.
(2) The provisions of Subsections 76-10-504(1) and (2), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
(a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
(b) by another state or county.



Link Posted: 8/1/2009 9:56:10 AM EST
Thank you for clearing that up SGT Jensen

I will let the officer know that I have a CCW permit and where my Carry weapon is, but anything beyond that is nobodys business.

So far I have had 0 issues with law enforcement, all have been very polite and very professional, I even got a ride into town once and the officer put me in the passenger seat and never made me disarm.






Link Posted: 8/1/2009 12:37:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGTJensen:
Originally Posted By Zedhead:
If you get pulled over, tell the officer,"I have a LEGAL firearm in the vehicle."
If you don't tell the officer and they find out by it say, falling out of you glove box when you get your registration, they will take "defensive measures" against you.


I hold the opposite opinion. It is none of the cop's business what I have in my car. The more he knows, the more reasons he has to be oppressive. Invoke the 5th.

Originally Posted By jjwheeler2:
Loaded pistol is good to go loaded rifle, shotgun or muzzleloader is NOT good to go.

76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
...
(3) Notwithstanding Subsection (1)(a)(i) and (ii), a person may not possess a loaded rifle, shotgun, or muzzle-loading rifle in a vehicle.
(4) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor.


This is only a violation for non-permit holders. Anyone with a permit from any state may possess a loaded long arm in their vehicle.

76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
(1) This part and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, do not apply to any of the following:
(a) a United States marshal;
(b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
(c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
(d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(f) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as merchandise; or
(g) a nonresident traveling in or through the state, provided that any firearm is:
(i) unloaded; and
(ii) securely encased as defined in Section 76-10-501.
(2) The provisions of Subsections 76-10-504(1) and (2), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
(a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
(b) by another state or county.





I overlooked that the op has a CCW. With that yes any firearm can be in the vehicle and fully loaded. What I find interesting it that under that law anyone with a CCW even if obtained from a state that utah doesn't honor as a CCW they can still carry a loaded long arm in their vehicle
Link Posted: 8/2/2009 3:18:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By jjwheeler2:
What I find interesting it that under that law anyone with a CCW even if obtained from a state that utah doesn't honor as a CCW they can still carry a loaded long arm in their vehicle


Utah honors all permits, regardless of the State or County in which it was issued. In Utah, an out of state permit exempts one from the same laws as a Utah permit would. There is no difference.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:50:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By SGTJensen:
Originally Posted By jjwheeler2:
What I find interesting it that under that law anyone with a CCW even if obtained from a state that utah doesn't honor as a CCW they can still carry a loaded long arm in their vehicle


Utah honors all permits, regardless of the State or County in which it was issued. In Utah, an out of state permit exempts one from the same laws as a Utah permit would. There is no difference.



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