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Posted: 1/9/2005 6:52:13 PM EDT
after watching 60 minutes i was wondering if i can still buy a Barrett in california?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 6:57:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 6:58:59 PM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:08:39 PM EDT
Anyone have first hand experience on these 50BMG uppers for the AR?

Inerested in getting one, but wondering which to get?  ALS, Ultralite, Ferret, etc...

Need to know how each performs at the range...
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 7:15:29 PM EDT
now that since the 50 bmg ban is in effect, those who own registered ar-15s is it possible for us to buy a 50 bmg upper to freely and legally shoot at ranges?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 8:27:47 PM EDT
tag (and my sincere condolences)
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 9:44:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BangBangBoogie:
now that since the 50 bmg ban is in effect, those who own registered ar-15s is it possible for us to buy a 50 bmg upper to freely and legally shoot at ranges?


Yes you can.  You don't need to reregister it as a fifty either.  

Anyone have first hand experience on these 50BMG uppers for the AR?

Inerested in getting one, but wondering which to get? ALS, Ultralite, Ferret, etc...

Need to know how each performs at the range...


You may want to do a search in this forum or the armory forum for some answers
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:02:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 11:02:39 PM EDT by m98codered]
I thought that if you plan to use a 50upper you need to register it as a 50 only rifle and that it may not be a multiple caliber rifle
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 11:13:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m98codered:
I thought that if you plan to use a 50upper you need to register it as a 50 only rifle and that it may not be a multiple caliber rifle


I don't have the link but the CADOJ explicitly states that if the gun is already registered as an AW, it does not need to be registered as a "new" AW to shoot the fifty.  IIRC, the DOJ mentioned the "multiple calibers" thing because they didn't want people to be able to register new lowers as fifties and AW and then be able to change them after into different AW configurations.  I could definitely be wrong about that one though.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:06:36 AM EDT
I'm just glad I got my .50 before the ban.  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:09:19 AM EDT
That brings up a good point...


We are registering our .50 BMGs as AW. When we get or papers, they will be papers for a AW. If we had a lower registered as a AW, what would prevent it from being used as an AW of a different type? Example: milling out the bottom of a Fab-10 to take mags would not make it any less legal, because that would make it an AW, but it is already registered as an AW.

I am confused.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:32:04 AM EDT
The FAB-10 is legal in Kali, if you register it as a .50 BMG AW and then mill out the mag well you'll be in violation of SB23. It's a .50 BMG upper/FAB-10 legal lower, if you modify it and get caught your done. Don't do it in this Commie state.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:33:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NeoWeird:
That brings up a good point...


We are registering our .50 BMGs as AW. When we get or papers, they will be papers for a AW. If we had a lower registered as a AW, what would prevent it from being used as an AW of a different type? Example: milling out the bottom of a Fab-10 to take mags would not make it any less legal, because that would make it an AW, but it is already registered as an AW.

I am confused.



DOJ realized this and there's some memo out stating the 50 AW is not the other AW, meaning you can't convert to a AR  For now at least, who know what we can pull in court, so register a 80% just in case  
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:39:14 AM EDT
I am going to. I hope things get turned around, but then I will have to figure out a good way to mill out receiver for the magazine with a drill press. Shouldn't be too hard, but I must be careful.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 6:42:07 AM EDT
so can i still buy an upper without registration like i would buy a standard ar15 upper?
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 7:22:09 AM EDT
Yes you can still buy the upper.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 3:46:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AK_Mike:
tag (and my sincere condolences)

I saw your pics in the "gun porn" thread that is one fine collection you have.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 5:44:30 PM EDT
A loop hole I may have realized while at work today, let me see what you all think. (I will get quotes when I have some free time).


According to the new law, the rifle must be a complete rifle when referring to multiple caliber rifle receivers, like the Fab-10. Right?

Also, they frequently state that a 'firearm' need not be assembled to be considered a firearm. I believe there is actually a quote that says the receiver is the firearm.


Wouldn't that mean that you would just need a fully functional firearm, aka receiver, in order for it be legal? Upper or no upper, the firearm, as it is seen by the DOJ, is a complete and functional firearm as per the law. While we may understand what they meant to say, in a legal sense, they may have created a loop hole for those with AR-15 style lowers who didn't have the cash to buy uppers.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 9:20:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pieeater:

Originally Posted By AK_Mike:
tag (and my sincere condolences)

I saw your pics in the "gun porn" thread that is one fine collection you have.



Thanks.  Not pictured was my unfired Barrett M82A1.  I had not yet progressed into .50 shooting but the very winds that foretold of .50BMG banning caused me to do what I had to do to buy it before it got banned.  The talk was of a national nature, not just Kalifornia.

If you ever were going to get a fifty, GET IT NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 6:21:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NeoWeird:
A loop hole I may have realized while at work today, let me see what you all think. (I will get quotes when I have some free time).


According to the new law, the rifle must be a complete rifle when referring to multiple caliber rifle receivers, like the Fab-10. Right?

Also, they frequently state that a 'firearm' need not be assembled to be considered a firearm. I believe there is actually a quote that says the receiver is the firearm.


Wouldn't that mean that you would just need a fully functional firearm, aka receiver, in order for it be legal? Upper or no upper, the firearm, as it is seen by the DOJ, is a complete and functional firearm as per the law. While we may understand what they meant to say, in a legal sense, they may have created a loop hole for those with AR-15 style lowers who didn't have the cash to buy uppers.



This is a known fact approved by DOJ, just register a receiver.  A receiver is also considered an 81% build according to the BATF.
Link Posted: 1/11/2005 4:24:12 PM EDT
I know that the receiver alone is all that is needed to be registered, but I thought if the receiver was marked as anything but .50, for example .223, it need to have the upper on it.
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