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6/25/2018 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 7/5/2018 1:24:59 PM EDT
How are Missourians voting for Prop A and why?
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 2:40:49 PM EDT
I'm voting Yes for Prop A and everybody I know will be as well. I can't support Unions and the Socialist (Democratic) party they support.

Yes on Prop 4 and No on Prop D.

Here is the info for this fall:

https://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/petitions/2018BallotMeasures

Official Ballot Title
Proposition A

Do the people of the state of Missouri want to adopt Senate Bill 19 ("Right-to-Work") as passed by the general assembly in 2017, which prohibits as a condition of employment the forced membership in a labor organization (union) or forced payments of dues in full or pro-rata (fair-share); make any activity which violates employees' rights illegal and ineffective; allow legal remedies for anyone injured as a result of another person violating or threatening to violate employees' rights; and which shall not apply to union agreements entered into before the effective date of Senate Bill 19?

State and local government entities expect no costs or savings.

Fair Ballot Language:

A “yes” vote will adopt Senate Bill 19 ("right-to-work"), passed by the general assembly in 2017. If adopted, Senate Bill 19 will amend Missouri law to prohibit, as a condition of employment, forced membership in a labor organization (union) or forced payments of dues or fees, in full or pro-rata ("fair-share"), to a union. Senate Bill 19 will also make any activity which violates employees' rights provided by the bill illegal and ineffective and allow legal remedies for anyone injured as a result of another person violating or threatening to violate those employees' rights. Senate Bill 19 will not apply to union agreements entered into before the effective date of Senate Bill 19, unless those agreements are amended or renewed after the effective date of Senate Bill 19.

A “no” vote will reject Senate Bill 19 ("right-to-work"), and will result in Senate Bill 19 not becoming Missouri law.

If passed, this measure will have no impact on taxes.

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Official Ballot Title
Amendment 4

Do you want to amend the Missouri constitution to:

remove language limiting bingo game advertising that a court ruled unenforceable; and

allow a member of a licensed organization conducting bingo games to participate in the management of bingo games after being a member of the organization for six months instead of the current two years?

State and local governmental entities estimate no costs or savings from this proposal.

Fair Ballot Language:

A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to remove language limiting bingo game advertising that a court ruled was unconstitutional and not enforceable. This amendment would also allow a member of a licensed organization conducting bingo games to participate in the management of bingo games after being a member of the organization for six months. Currently, the constitution requires two years of membership.

A “no” vote will not amend the Missouri Constitution regarding bingo games.

If passed, this measure will have no impact on taxes.

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Official Ballot Title
Proposition D

Shall Missouri law be amended to fund Missouri state law enforcement by increasing the motor fuel tax by two and one half cents per gallon annually for four years beginning July 1, 2019, exempt Special Olympic, Paralympic, and Olympic prizes from state taxes, and to establish the Emergency State Freight Bottleneck Fund?

If passed, this measure will generate at least $288 million annually to the State Road Fund to provide for the funding of Missouri state law enforcement and $123 million annually to local governments for road construction and maintenance.

Fair Ballot Language:

A “yes” vote will amend Missouri statutes to fund the Missouri State Highway Patrol’s enforcement and administration of motor vehicle laws and traffic regulations. The source of the funding will be revenue from an increased state tax on motor fuel (including gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, and blended fuel). The current state motor fuel tax rate is seventeen (17) cents per gallon. The amendment will increase the rate as follows:

Nineteen and one-half (19.5) cents per gallon beginning July 1, 2019;

Twenty-two (22) cents per gallon beginning July 1, 2020;

Twenty-four and one-half (24.5) cents per gallon beginning July 1, 2021;

Twenty-seven (27) cents per gallon beginning July 1, 2022.

The amendment will also increase the tax on alternative fuels used for motor vehicles (including compressed natural gas, liquid natural gas, and propane gas). The amendment will increase the rate from seventeen (17) cents to twenty-seven (27) cents per unit equivalent to a gallon of gasoline or diesel beginning January 1, 2026.

The amendment will require the state auditor to audit the state’s use of the revenue generated by these taxes every two years.

Additionally, the amendment will allow a state income tax deduction for the value of any prize or award won in the Olympics, Paralympics, or Special Olympics; and it will create an “Emergency State Freight Bottleneck Fund,” which will be dedicated to financing road improvement projects in the state.

A “no” vote will not amend Missouri statutes to increase the motor fuel tax, exempt certain prizes from state taxes or establish the Emergency State Freight Bottleneck Fund.

If passed, this measure will increase taxes on motor fuel.
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 3:21:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 9:25:02 PM EDT
I’m voting yes

...but I like freedom. People are still free to join a union in right to work states, but they don’t have to if they don’t want to. The only way to get unions to improve to the point people want to join them, is to make them have to compete for the workers dollar, just like any legit business or organization.
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 10:04:37 PM EDT
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I see vote no signs everywhere here in jeffco.......a county that voted 65% for Greitens and Trump. Plus commercials, bumper stickers, yard signs, bill boards, etc everywhere else.

So where is the vote yes stuff? I haven't seen any. Do they think they have this in the bag, or what? Just kind of odd to see the one side dumping so much money into it and nearly nothing from the other side.
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 10:11:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By delorean:
I see vote no signs everywhere here in jeffco.......a county that voted 65% for Greitens and Trump. Plus commercials, bumper stickers, yard signs, bill boards, etc everywhere else.

So where is the vote yes stuff? I haven't seen any. Do they think they have this in the bag, or what? Just kind of odd to see the one side dumping so much money into it and nearly nothing from the other side.
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The unions are funding the vote no signs. Who is gonna fund yes signs?
Link Posted: 7/5/2018 10:23:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
I’m definitely voting YES!!!

Missouri being a non-Right to Work state costs the taxpayers MILLIONS of dollars in Govt contracts because of being required to pay “prevailing wages”.

An example is a flagman might be receiving $27.00 an hour because of “prevailing wages”.

In addition, ask yourself “Is it fair or right to FORCE someone to pay a union so they can hold a job?”

It’s almost like the old “Protection rackets” where a shop owner had to pay the mob so that the mob wouldn’t blow their business up.

And does ANYONE think that fast food workers deserve $15.00 an hour? It’s supposed to be a job where you learn how to hold a job.
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Lol.

Prevailing wage laws have NOTHING to do with prop A or right to work.
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Originally Posted By delorean:
I see vote no signs everywhere here in jeffco.......a county that voted 65% for Greitens and Trump. Plus commercials, bumper stickers, yard signs, bill boards, etc everywhere else.

So where is the vote yes stuff? I haven't seen any. Do they think they have this in the bag, or what? Just kind of odd to see the one side dumping so much money into it and nearly nothing from the other side.
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I see a lot of vote no signs too.

I don’t know how this vote will go - unions have gotten their people pretty worked up about it. They’ll show up and vote.

I’d bet that most people don’t care or would vote yes if pressed, but they’re not motivated to show up like union families are.
Link Posted: 7/6/2018 7:35:55 AM EDT
In Mid MO there are No on Prop A signs and ads all over the place. There is no vocal opposition, I bet the unions get it voted down.
Link Posted: 7/6/2018 10:12:38 AM EDT
I'm voting YES. I don't believe in having to join a club in order to work.

Only places you'll see with vote no signs are union homes. Brainwashed, they are.
Link Posted: 7/6/2018 12:33:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pumpkinheaver:

The unions are funding the vote no signs. Who is gonna fund yes signs?
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All us evil business owners / 1%'ers......plenty of money out there behind right to work, just not seeing it. That's why I'm curious if they think they don't need it, or what. Maybe we'll see some stuff closer to Aug 6. Much like a Trump bumper sticker, or MAGA hat, I'd almost be scared displaying a YES Prop A sign anywhere around me. Wouldn't last very long that's for sure.

I knew they'd get the 100,000 votes or whatever it was to get it on the ballot. They had those guys out everywhere collecting signatures with the statement of "let's get it on the ballot and let the people decide," even though the people DID decide by voting for pro- right to work candidates (overwhelmingly.) But I believe the fix was in before that when we voted on it the first time...….the Sec of the State was democratic at the time and had an "insurance policy" worked out with the judge at the time to say that the wording was ambiguous. He didn't want it to pass, so why would he have written it like that??
Link Posted: 7/6/2018 4:08:20 PM EDT
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I voted YES when I voted for Greitens over Koster.

Since the Commies insist on trying to repeal my Legal vote, I will be forced to vote again to keep the commies from having an economic stranglehold on my State.
Link Posted: 7/7/2018 8:09:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
It’s based on UNION salaries!
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In most cases, that is correct.

But it still has nothing to do with prop A. If it passes, it will have zero impact on a contractual wage rate.
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
As an example, a General Laborer working in St. Louis County MUST BE PAID....$47.64 per hour working on any job for local or state Govt.
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That is total package.
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 12:31:51 PM EDT
Yes on A. No on D.
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 10:57:56 PM EDT
I'm voting no on prop A. I agree no one should be forced to join a union, but a union shouldn't have to represent or protect people not paying for the representation
Link Posted: 7/8/2018 11:37:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 7:53:27 AM EDT
Voting yes here.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 9:13:59 AM EDT
I belong to a union and I'm still voting "yes". I like freedom of choice, and if the unions provide a viable service for their members, legislation such as this ought not have any effect.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 9:33:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
Two wrongs don’t make it right!
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I'm voting no on prop A. I agree no one should be forced to join a union, but a union shouldn't have to represent or protect people not paying for the representation
Two wrongs don’t make it right!
I totally get it I do. I'm all for freedom of choice. But I'm so tired of no personal responsibility in this country. If you don't want to join a union that's fine don't join. But you shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of the Union. I just don't think a person should be able to get a "union" job not pay into the union and then be able to run to the union it something goes wrong and the union have to represent them.
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Originally Posted By sigpros:

I totally get it I do. I'm all for freedom of choice. But I'm so tired of no personal responsibility in this country. If you don't want to join a union that's fine don't join. But you shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of the Union. I just don't think a person should be able to get a "union" job not pay into the union and then be able to run to the union it something goes wrong and the union have to represent them.
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In many cases, the companies prefer it that way, so that they don't have to take time to deal with you as an individual. They have agreements with the unions that said unions will be the sole bargaining representative for ALL hourly employees, whether those employees pay dues or not.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 10:11:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DetrhoytMAK:
I belong to a union and I'm still voting "yes". I like freedom of choice, and if the unions provide a viable service for their members, legislation such as this ought not have any effect.
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I’m hearing this from friends that are union. I see tons of stickers and yard signs, however, there’s no telling what they’ll do in the privacy of the polling booth.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 11:09:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sigpros:
I'm voting no on prop A. I agree no one should be forced to join a union, but a union shouldn't have to represent or protect people not paying for the representation
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You don't think that will change pretty quick if Prop A is passed?? Unions will go straight to nix that.....which is fine. But all this time they've been fighting the other angle saying that they cover everybody so everybody has to be union. They're not for freedom of choice and free speech, and they give all their money to gun hating politicians. So you're going to vote NO and support all that just because it's going to be unfair to small group if it passes?? How about all the people it's UNFAIR to now?
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Originally Posted By sigpros:
I totally get it I do. I'm all for freedom of choice. But I'm so tired of no personal responsibility in this country. If you don't want to join a union that's fine don't join. But you shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of the Union. I just don't think a person should be able to get a "union" job not pay into the union and then be able to run to the union it something goes wrong and the union have to represent them.
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Originally Posted By sigpros:
Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
Originally Posted By sigpros:
I'm voting no on prop A. I agree no one should be forced to join a union, but a union shouldn't have to represent or protect people not paying for the representation
Two wrongs don’t make it right!
I totally get it I do. I'm all for freedom of choice. But I'm so tired of no personal responsibility in this country. If you don't want to join a union that's fine don't join. But you shouldn't be entitled to the benefits of the Union. I just don't think a person should be able to get a "union" job not pay into the union and then be able to run to the union it something goes wrong and the union have to represent them.
Frankly, I don't think they should either.

But, as a third generation (former) union member, I'm still voting yes on Prop A.

Not having a monopoly on their members will make unions more accountable to their members. Unions don't give a rip about their members any more than big companies do because union members have no recourse against the union - barring a huge populist uprising among the members, which never happens.

If union members can vote with their feet its going to make unions much more accountable to their members, which is a good thing.
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 2:05:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dogma:
I’m voting yes

...but I like freedom. People are still free to join a union in right to work states, but they don’t have to if they don’t want to. The only way to get unions to improve to the point people want to join them, is to make them have to compete for the workers dollar, just like any legit business or organization.
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Philosophically I agree with you, people shouldn't be forced to join a union. I imagine the text of the law is much more complex, and that's bc they're trying to stick it to union labor more than anything.

The anti big goverenment types went and got big government on people who didn't want any govt. The unions are fine with the status quo, so why change it?
Link Posted: 7/9/2018 2:07:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SShockwave:
I voted YES when I voted for Greitens over Koster.

Since the Commies insist on trying to repeal my Legal vote, I will be forced to vote again to keep the commies from having an economic stranglehold on my State.
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How was CCW passed in MO again??
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How was CCW passed in MO again??
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What a wild story that was!! The dems and Holden really thought they had that locked down......one republican short yet he flew home from military duty offshore to cast his vote. Hahaha. "And then the streets ran red with blood." STL County had a judge block issuing permits, yet Utah, Florida, and all the other were good to go!
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Originally Posted By delorean:
What a wild story that was!! The dems and Holden really thought they had that locked down......one republican short yet he flew home from military duty offshore to cast his vote. Hahaha. "And then the streets ran red with blood." STL County had a judge block issuing permits, yet Utah, Florida, and all the other were good to go!
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Originally Posted By cash50:

How was CCW passed in MO again??
What a wild story that was!! The dems and Holden really thought they had that locked down......one republican short yet he flew home from military duty offshore to cast his vote. Hahaha. "And then the streets ran red with blood." STL County had a judge block issuing permits, yet Utah, Florida, and all the other were good to go!
My point was that voters voted down CCW, then the legislature went and passed it anyways, after the voters "made their voices heard".
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Originally Posted By cash50:

My point was that voters voted down CCW, then the legislature went and passed it anyways, after the voters "made their voices heard".
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Voter fraud is what sunk CCW down the first time when it wa son the ballot. It was way ahead until the very last minute when it did a complete 180. Lots of folks tried to prove that but kept getting stonewalled on records. Lot of talk/stories on MOCarry, but many of those patriots have passed one.

BTW, the voters already *DID* pass right to work.....then the dems got it recalled because of "confusing language." Democrat Sec of State wrote the language on the ballot, and a democrat judge ruled on it. What a coincidence!!!! So we elect legislators who campaigned that they were going to get it done......they do and the democrats block it again. So now we are where we are. Gonna let them win?? Third time's a charm!
Link Posted: 7/10/2018 6:28:42 PM EDT
If they would have left law enforcement off the gas tax I would have voted for it.

Fund the freaking roads. They suck.
Link Posted: 7/10/2018 9:03:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lokifox:
If they would have left law enforcement off the gas tax I would have voted for it.

Fund the freaking roads. They suck.
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You're kidding, right? Have you ever driven in Illinois?
Link Posted: 7/10/2018 11:01:33 PM EDT
Hell no to the fuel tax.

Hell no to any new tax and I don't care what they claim it is for.
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Originally Posted By cbr954:
Hell no to the fuel tax.

Hell no to any new tax and I don't care what they claim it is for.
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This. They can go fuck themselves.
Link Posted: 7/11/2018 2:30:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cash50:

Philosophically I agree with you, people shouldn't be forced to join a union. I imagine the text of the law is much more complex, and that's bc they're trying to stick it to union labor more than anything.

The anti big goverenment types went and got big government on people who didn't want any govt. The unions are fine with the status quo, so why change it?
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Who cares if the Unions are “fine” with the status quo when the status quo is wrong morally and economically? The unions enjoy government protection in forcing their monopolies in certain trades, and in certain areas. This removes some of that big government protection. Your statement about big government makes no sense. Just as states compete for businesses and productive citizens (tax cows), and business must compete for employees and customers, and employees compete for jobs, so should unions compete for members.
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 9:45:33 AM EDT
I never did like any amount of my union dues going to anti gun political candidates. I have several horror stories about different unions that I belonged to in the past.

My last job I was a maintenance tech but was considered management since I was not in the union. That particular union shot itself in the foot when it came to the maintenance department. They wanted 3 maintenance techs, 1 welder, and 1 machper shift when at the most we on,y need two techs per shift.

i think that workers should have a choice.
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Originally Posted By eric10mm:
Once, and I do not plan to do it again. I would prefer to drive around. But that has nothing to do with the roads.
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You're kidding, right? Have you ever driven in Illinois?
Once, and I do not plan to do it again. I would prefer to drive around. But that has nothing to do with the roads.
Just the Illinois Nazis?
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I hate Illinois Nazis!
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me too and I was born and lived there and most of my family have yet to escape
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