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Posted: 1/5/2012 10:02:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:08:09 AM EDT
Seems like a lot of effort when he could easily pick up an illegal one.

AND....

Having seen a zip gun at the IWM last week his effort is right over the top
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 10:38:13 AM EDT
Just down the road from me and never heard a word about it.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 1:46:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JABBER-JAW:
Seems like a lot of effort when he could easily pick up an illegal one.

AND....

Having seen a zip gun at the IWM last week his effort is right over the top


I didn't get the impression that he was building them in order to commit any crime , more from the enjoyment of building something from scratch out of basic materials. It's not as if he was an armourer for the criminal underground...



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Link Posted: 1/5/2012 3:25:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By steven_uk:
Originally Posted By JABBER-JAW:
Seems like a lot of effort when he could easily pick up an illegal one.

AND....

Having seen a zip gun at the IWM last week his effort is right over the top


I didn't get the impression that he was building them in order to commit any crime , more from the enjoyment of building something from scratch out of basic materials. It's not as if he was an armourer for the criminal underground...



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Hmmm, question : say he hadn't intended (or actually) created something that could discharge a projectile. Done everything else, but the 'barrel' had no chamber.

At what point then does it fall foul of VCR bill for being an imitation firearm ?

I imagine (an uninformed imagining) that intent might a role to play in answering that..but maybe not. On the other hand it can't just be that it has to 'look' like a firearm that is actually in production as there are any number of fantasy designs one could imagine that people would reasonably confuse.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:21:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 12:01:26 AM EDT


Imitation Firearm ? Hardly a Khyber Pass AK47....

Link Posted: 1/6/2012 12:14:25 AM EDT
It looks like a wheel nut impact driver....and he looks like a retard
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 12:21:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DavidTS:
It looks like a wheel nut impact driver....and he looks like a retard


He must have had a tough paper round if he's 48...
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 2:23:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 2:59:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 6:14:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Interesting cimmense under that story


I saw those cimmense comments as well. Lots of criticism over the harshness of the sentence, and to be fair five years for what amounts to doing a bit of wood and metal work does seem excessive.

He certainly didn't seem to have any criminal intent . OK he was a bit naughty and shouldn't thave done it but 5 years (at the taxpayers expense (Really???)

I believe he should have recieved a two years suspended sentence, had his "toys" seized and told not to do it again or it would be a 5 year custodial next time.

The guy doesn't appear to have any intent to use the guns for criminal purposes so what risk did he pose in real terms? There's a big difference between a law abiding collector who falls foul of a legal techincality, or an hobby engineer who builds some woodern contraption that looks like a gun and some scrumbag street hoodlum who has a (working) gun purely for criminal intent.

When you think that some little shits with criminal records as long as their arm are receiving less than 3 years for burning down homes and businesses and looting in the London Riots it really makes a mockery of the system and shows how utterly stupid and pathetic our fear of national fear of firearms really is.

What a joke.


Excellent summary of the whole sorry situation in this country.
Link Posted: 1/6/2012 12:35:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
Originally Posted By Bradders:
Interesting cimmense under that story


I saw those cimmense comments as well. Lots of criticism over the harshness of the sentence, and to be fair five years for what amounts to doing a bit of wood and metal work does seem excessive.

He certainly didn't seem to have any criminal intent . OK he was a bit naughty and shouldn't thave done it but 5 years (at the taxpayers expense (Really???)

I believe he should have recieved a two years suspended sentence, had his "toys" seized and told not to do it again or it would be a 5 year custodial next time.

The guy doesn't appear to have any intent to use the guns for criminal purposes so what risk did he pose in real terms? There's a big difference between a law abiding collector who falls foul of a legal techincality, or an hobby engineer who builds some woodern contraption that looks like a gun and some scrumbag street hoodlum who has a (working) gun purely for criminal intent.

When you think that some little shits with criminal records as long as their arm are receiving less than 3 years for burning down homes and businesses and looting in the London Riots it really makes a mockery of the system and shows how utterly stupid and pathetic our fear of national fear of firearms really is.

What a joke.


Well said.

Assuming that prior to this he was law abiding.

I saw no mention of any previous convictions.

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