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Posted: 12/31/2004 3:16:44 PM EDT
Just curious to see what you guys think. I live in the South Central part of the state, and he is not well liked. Even Dem's I know can't stand him. So, will he get a second chance, and who are the Republicans going to run?
Link Posted: 12/31/2004 4:25:27 PM EDT
Living in a world that gives us two terms of Klinton and Daley-for-life, nothing is too stupid to happen.

But he HAS pissed a lot of people off, and that's hopeful....


Larry
Link Posted: 12/31/2004 5:58:54 PM EDT
im sure all the people who end up paying double for tollway will be voteing for him

the only way he will get reelected is if the same grave yards as Daley vote for him

and that explains Madigan too
Link Posted: 12/31/2004 6:23:19 PM EDT
I hope not. I'll take a crooked republican over this stupid puppet.

As to who the republicans are gonna run, I would guess anyone with the last name Ryan. Seems thats to be all the republicans can run are people with the same names.

I personally would like to see Jim Oberweis Run(and Win). But thats just me.
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 3:56:21 AM EDT
I have wondered this to. Blago does have a chance in the sense that the Chicagoland cattle heard is dense and usually do what they are told by their TV's, this could get Blago reelected. The rest of the state will come to the party on this one though, Blago is toast everywhere except Chicago and St. Louis. This guy is a turd.
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 3:57:41 AM EDT
I forget, how long do we have? A year or two?
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 7:43:19 AM EDT
Downstate Dem says Blagojevich is toast

December 11, 2004

BY THOMAS ROESER

I told the Downstate Democratic legislator: Hey, I kind of like the governor.


He laughed and said, "Sure, you're a Republican. That's why."

He hasn't raised taxes. But the best part is, he didn't cave in to Daley on the Chicago casino. He gave Big Daddy Madigan fits. I love it.

He scoffed. "It doesn't matter what you think. Let me tell you: Rod Blagojevich is going to have primary opposition. In fact I will say this: Not only will he have opposition, but he'll be toast."

But his ratings are high. And what about the $12 million he has in his campaign fund?

"I'll get to that in a minute. The first thing I'd do, if I were running against him, would be to go all over southern Illinois and say, 'If elected, I'll live in Springfield. I'll move my family into the mansion.' "

But his eagerness to live at home has mass appeal.

"Not to Downstaters. His not living down here is a deliberate slap. It shows us this city boy thinks we're yokels. Wanting to be home is phony. Every day he's in Springfield he flies home every night. The reason is: He's got a state plane here so he can fly at the people's expense. The taxpayers pay for his mansion and his trips. His snubbing Springfield snubs all of southern Illinois. Take a look at his refusal to be on hand for a veterans dedication at Oak Ridge cemetery outside of Springfield. So the first plank in my program would be a message delivered directly to southern Illinois -- which is much better than you think: If elected governor, I will live in Springfield."

Now get to his campaign war chest.

"It's a double-edged sword. His biggest political asset is the $12 million, and it's also his biggest liability. He ran as a reformer. This is the case I would make to the Democrats in the primary: He took $25,000 apiece from guys he immediately placed on the Health Facilities Planning Board. Where's the reform in that? Where's the reform in doing Tony Rezko's bidding? The owner of the Panda Restaurant group gives him big bucks, and his guy is named the head of DECA [Department of Commerce and Economic Affairs]. The governor says he won't take gambling money but, oh yes, he takes horse-racing money. And then there's the taxes he raised."

You mean the fees.

"Same thing: taxes, fees. He slapped business with 300 fee hikes. I'd campaign on that statewide. He's not been honest with the voters, has done unconscionable borrowing that puts the burden on our children and grandchildren. Then there's his own credibility. You just can't believe him and trust him to keep his word."

But that goes for any politician.

"Really? Get this: Leaders of his own party, the speaker and the Senate president, had to get 50 -- that's five oh -- memos of understanding because they didn't trust him to keep his word. Nobody had to do that even with George Ryan. Or Jim Edgar or Jim Thompson. This was the first time in Illinois history where leaders of the same party as the governor had to do this."

Anything more for southern Illinois?

"You bet. He vetoed the bill the Legislature passed -- the Wilmette thing, giving a guy the right to defend himself and his family with a gun during a break-in at his house. Do you understand how important that is to southern Illinois? I couldn't believe he vetoed it. I'd make him spend all his $12 million on TV ads defending it -- and it still won't wash. Listen, you're old enough to remember Gene McCarthy."

Old enough to know Gene McCarthy. I liked him too.

"When he ran against LBJ in New Hampshire, no one gave him a chance. You like the governor? Don't get used to him because he'll be gone after the 2006 primary. And don't tell me it'll help the Republicans. They'll have a bitter primary for governor themselves. But what will emerge in the Democratic Party is a new moderate-to-conservative nominee, with fiscal integrity, respectful of gun-owners rights who will -- write it down for this is the hidden issue -- resolve to live in that mansion in Springfield."

If elected he'll live in the Springfield mansion. That'll take guts.
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 8:18:28 AM EDT
I think it depends a lot on who the Repubs run. If they run another Alan Keyes, Blowbagofshit is a shoe-in, in spite of his extreme unpopularity. The trick for the Repubs is to run someone somewhat moderate with a good following downstate. Rumor has it that Dan Rutherford might run--he's the one who set up the website that detailed all of Blago's fee hikes and such. He's not from my district, but he's close, and he'd probably get my vote.

I like the idea that Blago might have to fight for his political life against his OWN party in the primary. Sorta like the budget showdown .

God help us if Mike Madigan decides to run against him.
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 1:55:50 PM EDT
The biggest problem with the Illinois Republican Party is Judy Barr Topinka. She is as clueless as the day is long. Time for her to wrap it up so she can get back to baking cookies for her grandchildren in the kitchen where she belongs. Running Alan Keyes was the DUMBEST thing they could have done. This state is in a state of chaos. It will not begin to change until the Bayboomers are stripped of power. I hate to bring them up all the time, but their mentality and ideology really is the problem. Not with only Illinois, but with America at large.
Link Posted: 1/1/2005 4:32:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patriot73:
The biggest problem with the Illinois Republican Party is Judy Barr Topinka. She is as clueless as the day is long.


There has never been a more factual statement! She's just plain stupid.

My biggest fear is that the Governor has a challenge in a primary and loses to another media-made, liberal darling like Obama, and we get a rino in as a republican candidate. A lose, lose situation.
Link Posted: 1/2/2005 4:44:38 AM EDT
I don't think an Obama type Liberal would win the Governor's mansion. Because of Illinois districting, Chicago and it's surrounding puppett suburbs in Cook County can pretty much write their own ticket as to who goes to DC. State level officials are a different story.

Has anyone else had enough of Chicago deciding which way our electorate will go? Especially in a Presidential race like we just had? Doesn't it disgust anyone else that the VAST, OVERWHELMING majority of the state voted for Bush, but since Chicago is loaded to the gils with Liberals, welfare grabbers, hippies and every other leftist wet dream, Illinois went to Kerry? If Chicago didn't exsist, Illinois would be a GOP lock, and I mean lock, everytime. Our generation must tackle this "Big city, big numbers" problem in elections.

New York goes liberal because of NYC. Thes rest of the state, the majority suffers.

New Jersey goes liberal because of NYC

CA goes liberal because of LA and San Francisco. Could you imagine being a farmer in NE California having to put up with San Francisco's crap?

And yes Illinois goes Liberal because of that sewage pit known as Cook County (Chicago). As far as I'm concerned, all of Cook County belongs to Chicago. Take a look at your cigarette prices, gun laws and spray paint restrictions before you tell me Cook County is not Chicago sovereign property.

We need to redistrict, without our Liberals running to a Denny's in Indiana. Until Illinois power is restored truely to the people we will have this crap. I have been very involved in Illinois politics for some time It has been my experience that Chicago minorities, Hispanics mainly will vote for ANY Alderman or District Rep simply becuase they have an Hispanic last name or are from the same patch of dirt in Mexico that they are. The Black areas vote in ex Black Panthers like Bobby Rush. These practices are fine for Chicagoans, they are letting people represent them that they feel are their peers. However, I don't want Black Panthers and Mexicans speaking for me. I am a ture citizen of Illinois. It's time to re-district.
To use a Liberal catch phrase that they so love...we need to "level the playing field."
Link Posted: 1/2/2005 8:04:46 AM EDT
The IL-Repubs should run on a strong Anti-Chicago platform.
If they do that, they have a chance.

CKMorley

Patriot, you're right on the ball about the minorities: that's how we got Luis Guitierez representing us in DC. The old white libs recognized the power of the
hispanic vote and Luis' popularity as a Chgo Alderman, so they gerri-mandered a Hispanic district for him.
I always thought it funny that a guy from Puerto Rico has such strong support from Mexican-Hispanics.
Every mexican-american I've ever met hates Puerto Ricans with a passion, and vice versa.


CKMorley
Link Posted: 1/2/2005 11:03:53 AM EDT
After he cut U of I's budget, I can tell you he will not get my vote.
Link Posted: 1/2/2005 3:21:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CKMorley:
The IL-Repubs should run on a strong Anti-Chicago platform.
If they do that, they have a chance.

CKMorley

Patriot, you're right on the ball about the minorities: that's how we got Luis Guitierez representing us in DC. The old white libs recognized the power of the
hispanic vote and Luis' popularity as a Chgo Alderman, so they gerri-mandered a Hispanic district for him.
I always thought it funny that a guy from Puerto Rico has such strong support from Mexican-Hispanics.
Every mexican-american I've ever met hates Puerto Ricans with a passion, and vice versa.


CKMorley



I have never seen two ethnic groups of people despise each other more than Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. I don't judge any man by his ethnic background, but the truth is, a Peurto Rican from the slums of Chicago can in no way even begin to relate to my hillbilly ways. Just as my redneck ass cannot understand them. The cultural divide between urbanites and rednecks in Illinois is probably the greatest of anywhere in America.
Link Posted: 1/2/2005 5:35:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patriot73:
I don't think an Obama type Liberal would win the Governor's mansion. Because of Illinois districting, Chicago and it's surrounding puppett suburbs in Cook County can pretty much write their own ticket as to who goes to DC. State level officials are a different story.

Has anyone else had enough of Chicago deciding which way our electorate will go? Especially in a Presidential race like we just had? Doesn't it disgust anyone else that the VAST, OVERWHELMING majority of the state voted for Bush, but since Chicago is loaded to the gils with Liberals, welfare grabbers, hippies and every other leftist wet dream, Illinois went to Kerry? If Chicago didn't exsist, Illinois would be a GOP lock, and I mean lock, everytime. Our generation must tackle this "Big city, big numbers" problem in elections.

New York goes liberal because of NYC. Thes rest of the state, the majority suffers.

New Jersey goes liberal because of NYC

CA goes liberal because of LA and San Francisco. Could you imagine being a farmer in NE California having to put up with San Francisco's crap?

And yes Illinois goes Liberal because of that sewage pit known as Cook County (Chicago). As far as I'm concerned, all of Cook County belongs to Chicago. Take a look at your cigarette prices, gun laws and spray paint restrictions before you tell me Cook County is not Chicago sovereign property.

We need to redistrict, without our Liberals running to a Denny's in Indiana. Until Illinois power is restored truely to the people we will have this crap. I have been very involved in Illinois politics for some time It has been my experience that Chicago minorities, Hispanics mainly will vote for ANY Alderman or District Rep simply becuase they have an Hispanic last name or are from the same patch of dirt in Mexico that they are. The Black areas vote in ex Black Panthers like Bobby Rush. These practices are fine for Chicagoans, they are letting people represent them that they feel are their peers. However, I don't want Black Panthers and Mexicans speaking for me. I am a ture citizen of Illinois. It's time to re-district.
To use a Liberal catch phrase that they so love...we need to "level the playing field."



Isn't it ironic that this is yet another check and balance established by the Founders--allowing only landowners to vote--probably beofre they had any conception of massive metropolitan areas that we have today?

Just like anything else in the world, anything that everyone has is not worth much...
Link Posted: 1/3/2005 4:38:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patriot73:
The biggest problem with the Illinois Republican Party is Judy Barr Topinka. She is as clueless as the day is long. Time for her to wrap it up so she can get back to baking cookies for her grandchildren in the kitchen where she belongs. Running Alan Keyes was the DUMBEST thing they could have done. This state is in a state of chaos. It will not begin to change until the Bayboomers are stripped of power. I hate to bring them up all the time, but their mentality and ideology really is the problem. Not with only Illinois, but with America at large.


Not to defend Topinka, but she was opposed to Keyes. She really had to bite her tongue when he was nominated.

I give up on the Illinois Republican Party. There's just nobody there I'm excited about running for anything. I'll take a pro-gun Democrat any day.

And just to remind you expatriot73, not all of Cook County submits to the Red Zone.
Link Posted: 1/3/2005 4:45:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kroagnon:

Originally Posted By patriot73:
The biggest problem with the Illinois Republican Party is Judy Barr Topinka. She is as clueless as the day is long. Time for her to wrap it up so she can get back to baking cookies for her grandchildren in the kitchen where she belongs. Running Alan Keyes was the DUMBEST thing they could have done. This state is in a state of chaos. It will not begin to change until the Bayboomers are stripped of power. I hate to bring them up all the time, but their mentality and ideology really is the problem. Not with only Illinois, but with America at large.


Not to defend Topinka, but she was opposed to Keyes. She really had to bite her tongue when he was nominated.

I give up on the Illinois Republican Party. There's just nobody there I'm excited about running for anything. I'll take a pro-gun Democrat any day.

And just to remind you expatriot73, not all of Cook County submits to the Red Zone.



There is no pro gun Democrat. If it makes you feel better brother ok, and I feel for you, I do, but Cook County belongs to Chicago. You may not, you may be your own fierce pocket of resitance, but you are in occupied territory. Come to FA.
Link Posted: 1/3/2005 5:24:42 PM EDT
Governor Ferretface is up in January 2007, according to the Time Almanac.

Originally Posted By patriot73:
I forget, how long do we have? A year or two?

Link Posted: 1/3/2005 5:26:36 PM EDT
Funny thing is, Dems like Madigan don't even like him.

I wonder who our side will run, Jim Ryan? Mike Ditka?
Link Posted: 1/3/2005 7:39:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By deej86:
Funny thing is, Dems like Madigan don't even like him.

I wonder who our side will run, Jim Ryan? Mike Ditka?



Rutherford acts like he might try--and he'd be good.

Any of the moderates that tried for US Senate would be a good try for governor--Oberweis, McKenna, Rauschenburger...

Jim Ryan would be a great one. He could just run Blago's ads from four years ago and say "See? I told you so!"
Link Posted: 1/4/2005 1:54:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By patriot73:

Originally Posted By Kroagnon:

Originally Posted By patriot73:
The biggest problem with the Illinois Republican Party is Judy Barr Topinka. She is as clueless as the day is long. Time for her to wrap it up so she can get back to baking cookies for her grandchildren in the kitchen where she belongs. Running Alan Keyes was the DUMBEST thing they could have done. This state is in a state of chaos. It will not begin to change until the Bayboomers are stripped of power. I hate to bring them up all the time, but their mentality and ideology really is the problem. Not with only Illinois, but with America at large.


Not to defend Topinka, but she was opposed to Keyes. She really had to bite her tongue when he was nominated.

I give up on the Illinois Republican Party. There's just nobody there I'm excited about running for anything. I'll take a pro-gun Democrat any day.

And just to remind you expatriot73, not all of Cook County submits to the Red Zone.



There is no pro gun Democrat. If it makes you feel better brother ok, and I feel for you, I do, but Cook County belongs to Chicago. You may not, you may be your own fierce pocket of resitance, but you are in occupied territory. Come to FA.



There was a pro-gun democrat, Poshard, who ran against Ryan before his 2nd term. All the Republicans blindly voted for Ryan.
Link Posted: 1/10/2005 12:21:07 PM EDT
First thing the repubs need to avoid is running another candidate with the last name RYAN. Damn they should know that by now

If I had to bet, I’d say Blogo will get beat in the primarys, but we’ll get another dem gov.

I have heard a couple of rumors about who may or may not be running. I don’t remember his name, but a republican from Pontiac has or will announce his bid for gov, I also heard that Jim Thompson may run for Lt. Gov.
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