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Posted: 3/1/2023 9:00:39 PM EST


Where can one conceale carry a weapon in Indiana?

Are there places in Indiana where open carry is more permissive?

What is the law or what are the laws  covering concealed carry in Indiana ?


In Kentucky,   one cannot carry a loaded weapon in a bar.  Concealed carry is prohibited in police/sheriff offices but open carry is allowed.    

School grounds are prohibited.

Some government state, county, and city buildings may prohibit concealed carry by ordance, but they have to permit open carry.    Carrying concealed in  most such places has no legal penalties other than having to leave if asked.

Businesses may post signs, but do not carry any penalties or weight of law.

In short, in KY,  it is federal property,  schools, bars,  and Leo restricted areas such as prisons,  jails, and detention facilities.

The primary statute covering KY Concealed Deadly Weapons Licenses (KY CDWL)   is KRS 237.110

KRS 237.109  addresses permitless carry and directly references  KRS 237.110



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Link Posted: 3/3/2023 4:16:08 PM EST
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It's easier to tell you where we can't carry. Indiana doesn't differentiate between open and concealed, there is no difference, it's just "carry".

Indiana has statewide preemption so localities cannot ban carry, state law is the king. Localities are permitted to ban carry into public buildings that have a courtroom but that's where it stops.

K-12 schools and daycares that meet the definition of a daycare requiring a license (church daycares and many individual daycares aren't required to be licensed) are off limits. You can carry in your car on school property or lock it in your car when you get out.

Casinos, correctional facilities, and federal govt property are no carry zones as well.

That's about all I can think of, churches, bars, county offices that are not co-located with a courtroom, etc are all gtg. Note: private property owners can ban carry, it is not illegal to ignore their signage and carry anyways. However, if discovered and they tell you to put it in your car or leave, you face possible trespassing charges by not obeying their request.
Link Posted: 3/4/2023 12:48:29 PM EST
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First,  thanks for the follow-up.    

Sounds a lot like Kentucky.

(FYI  -  There is a provision in Indiana law that prohibits Kentuckians and possibly other state's residents from carrying in Indiana bars.  Other than that one strange situation, most of us in Kentucky either don't know or remember Indiana carry laws.)

Again, thank you.

How about rifles?   Can one carry loaded rifles readily accessible and possibly concealed in the cab of a vehicle?

In Kentucky a weapon is a weapon.   Machine guns, swords,  rifles, and pistols are the same.   Kentucky does have some goofy federal lands with restrictive laws, such as the  "Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area"  that prohibits loaded firearms,  but may decide to allow to an individual to carry pistol by CDWL  or not,  depending upon which side of the bed they  got out of bed or how they happen to feel at the moment.   Officially it isn't allowed.    Unofficially, it is their discretion.   Many people avoid it for that reason.

Link Posted: 3/6/2023 4:09:56 PM EST
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(FYI  -  There is a provision in Indiana law that prohibits Kentuckians and possibly other state's residents from carrying in Indiana bars.  Other than that one strange situation, most of us in Kentucky either don't know or remember Indiana carry laws.)
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(FYI  -  There is a provision in Indiana law that prohibits Kentuckians and possibly other state's residents from carrying in Indiana bars.  Other than that one strange situation, most of us in Kentucky either don't know or remember Indiana carry laws.)

I've lived here my whole life and never heard that. Do you know what provision specifically?


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How about rifles?   Can one carry loaded rifles readily accessible and possibly concealed in the cab of a vehicle?

Rifles can be carried loaded anywhere a handgun can be carried.


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In Kentucky a weapon is a weapon.   Machine guns, swords,  rifles, and pistols are the same.   Kentucky does have some goofy federal lands with restrictive laws, such as the  "Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area"  that prohibits loaded firearms,  but may decide to allow to an individual to carry pistol by CDWL  or not,  depending upon which side of the bed they  got out of bed or how they happen to feel at the moment.   Officially it isn't allowed.    Unofficially, it is their discretion.   Many people avoid it for that reason.


I believe you may be referring to properties managed by the Arny Corps of Engineers (ACOE). That isn't a state law, it's a federal thing. It's a bit like the prohibitions in federal buildings except it's on private & state lands managed by ACOE. These ar were usually large civil engineering projects such as man-made reservoirs and such. I've never heard of that prohibition being enforced but I wouldn't want to be a test case for enforcement either. Ironically, there is no consistent signage etc at the ACOE reservoir near me so the general public is unaware that they aren't supposed to carry there. I think if one were to be charged a good lawyer could get it tossed fairly easily because of the obscurity of the law, the convoluted mess of it being state owned lands managed by a federal authority, and the lack of signs.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 2:04:13 PM EST
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The "no bars" is because Indiana says that you follow your home state's laws when in Indiana.
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 9:38:55 PM EST
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The "no bars" is because Indiana says that you follow your home state's laws when in Indiana.
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Please provide the statute
Link Posted: 3/7/2023 9:39:36 PM EST
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Some additional info found regarding the dam

There is likely some Army Corp of engineers property around the damns.

However,  LBL is governed  by the USDA and US Forest Service


https://landbetweenthelakes.us/visit/rules-regulations/


Supervisors Orders

ORDER No. 60-07-13: Firearms and Archery Ranges
1. Entering, using, or remaining in the area between sunset and sunrise is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(L)
2. Failure to adhere to posted range rules is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
3. Entering or using the area for any purpose other than target shooting is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
4. Firing while persons are down range is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
5. Entering the area located behind the backstop, which has been designated as a safety zone, by the placement of “Entry Prohibited” signs is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
6. Possessing or using alcoholic beverages while using or occupying the area is prohibited. 36 CFR 268.58(bb)
7. Using the range when reserved by another party is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
8. Failure to reserve the firearms range prior to use is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
9. Possession of firearms is prohibited except during legal firearms hunting seasons by licensed hunters and going to and from Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area firearms range. Firearms must be cased and unloaded during transport. 36 CFR 261.53(e)



Link Posted: 3/8/2023 11:05:47 AM EST
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That's better.
Link Posted: 3/8/2023 9:46:34 PM EST
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Some additional info found regarding the dam

There is likely some Army Corp of engineers property around the damns.

However,  LBL is governed  by the USDA and US Forest Service


https://landbetweenthelakes.us/visit/rules-regulations/


Supervisors Orders

ORDER No. 60-07-13: Firearms and Archery Ranges
1. Entering, using, or remaining in the area between sunset and sunrise is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(L)
2. Failure to adhere to posted range rules is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
3. Entering or using the area for any purpose other than target shooting is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
4. Firing while persons are down range is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
5. Entering the area located behind the backstop, which has been designated as a safety zone, by the placement of “Entry Prohibited” signs is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
6. Possessing or using alcoholic beverages while using or occupying the area is prohibited. 36 CFR 268.58(bb)
7. Using the range when reserved by another party is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
8. Failure to reserve the firearms range prior to use is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
9. Possession of firearms is prohibited except during legal firearms hunting seasons by licensed hunters and going to and from Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area firearms range. Firearms must be cased and unloaded during transport. 36 CFR 261.53(e)



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Some additional info found regarding the dam

There is likely some Army Corp of engineers property around the damns.

However,  LBL is governed  by the USDA and US Forest Service


https://landbetweenthelakes.us/visit/rules-regulations/


Supervisors Orders

ORDER No. 60-07-13: Firearms and Archery Ranges
1. Entering, using, or remaining in the area between sunset and sunrise is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(L)
2. Failure to adhere to posted range rules is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
3. Entering or using the area for any purpose other than target shooting is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
4. Firing while persons are down range is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
5. Entering the area located behind the backstop, which has been designated as a safety zone, by the placement of “Entry Prohibited” signs is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.53(e)
6. Possessing or using alcoholic beverages while using or occupying the area is prohibited. 36 CFR 268.58(bb)
7. Using the range when reserved by another party is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
8. Failure to reserve the firearms range prior to use is prohibited. 36 CFR 261.58(b)
9. Possession of firearms is prohibited except during legal firearms hunting seasons by licensed hunters and going to and from Land Between the Lakes National Recreation Area firearms range. Firearms must be cased and unloaded during transport. 36 CFR 261.53(e)




That seems like rules for use of a shooting range on a rec area, which is usually treated different from carry restrictions.



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@green_bullet

I'm on my phone, so this is the best I can do for the moment.

Licenses to carry handguns, issued by other states or foreign countries, will be recognized according to the terms in the license and of the issuing state or country, but only while the holders are not residents of Indiana.18

Guy Relford did a legal break down of this on INGO several years ago.

"The terms thereof" does not mean "in accordance with the laws of their home state", it means the terms of their license. Which means if the terms of having a license in KY are, "though shall become ineligible and shall forfeit the license if though smokes dope" then he can't smoke dope or he loses his license and ability to carry, it doesn't mean he has to follow the laws of KY and IN. I used to think the same thing but IANAL and once Guy broke it down it made more sense to me the way Guy explained it. The terms of the license means something different than the laws of the state.

But if the terms of having a license in KY are that you will never carry into a bar then he can't carry in a bar. It is a subtle difference but there is a difference.
Link Posted: 3/8/2023 9:59:12 PM EST
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That seems like rules for use of a shooting range on a rec area, which is usually treated different from carry restrictions.




Guy Relford did a legal break down of this on INGO several years ago.

"The terms thereof" does not mean "in accordance with the laws of their home state", it means the terms of their license. Which means if the terms of having a license in KY are, "though shall become ineligible and shall forfeit the license if though smokes dope" then he can't smoke dope or he loses his license and ability to carry, it doesn't mean he has to follow the laws of KY and IN. I used to think the same thing but IANAL and once Guy broke it down it made more sense to me the way Guy explained it. The terms of the license means something different than the laws of the state.

But if the terms of having a license in KY are that you will never carry into a bar then he can't carry in a bar. It is a subtle difference but there is a difference.
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I never said laws of both states, I don't know where you got that.

Eh, fuck it. Not gonna bother.
Link Posted: 3/9/2023 8:15:31 PM EST
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I never said laws of both states, I don't know where you got that.

Eh, fuck it. Not gonna bother.
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Out of everything I said that's the one thing you key in on? None of the actual factual matters were important enough to mention?

FWIW, I never said you stated it explicitly. But let's think for a minute. Say there is a state that specifically allows carry of firearms into courtrooms and correctional facilities. Yeah, I know, that seems preposterous, but for the purpose of this illustration we need an extreme example because IN is already very free. So a visitor comes from that state, and according to you they must follow the laws of their state. Do you think they would be allowed to carry in the courtroom or correctional facility in accordance with the laws of their state? Or would they have to follow the IN laws forbidding it? If they have to follow the IN law and also follow the laws of their home state then they would be following laws of both states, right?

Such a situation also creates possibilities of contradiction. Indiana may forbid certain things and another state says that is the only legal way to do it. An officer that isn't familiar with other state's laws would be put in a position that he has to become a roadside legal expert, or he has to make an arrest based on the laws he does know (IN law). It's simply  not a practical, logical interpretation of the law.

OTOH, if they have to follow Indiana laws, but still comply with the terms of their state's licensure that is much more easily understood.
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