What would the UK contingent like to see......

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Posted: 9/14/2005 2:06:27 PM EDT

And i dsont mean a return of whats been taken!!

Im thinking of actual products / rifles / calibres etc etc etc,

Personally, id like a 9mm straightpull, 45 fully suppressed straightpull

maybe a 458 socum upper, hmm maybe a 6,8 for fun

How about you guys??

James

Posted: 9/14/2005 4:01:43 PM EDT

[#1]

Straight Pull 9mm

Taffy

Posted: 9/14/2005 7:32:42 PM EDT

[#2]

I just want more of these

No Monte Carlo stock...Just straightpull comb..."Rule 303" ...Breaker Morant

Posted: 9/14/2005 11:18:47 PM EDT

[#3]

Rule .303 refers to the SMLE

Breaker morant what a film!!!

James

Posted: 9/15/2005 12:59:01 AM EDT

[#4]

Taffy,

Do you know anyone currently making a straight pull MP5?

There was a Swiss one I've seen but only very few were made before production ceased.

Richard

Posted: 9/15/2005 2:42:56 AM EDT

[#5]

Richard
The only info I had about them was that they were removed from circulation and the dealer was publicly flogged...OK maybe not but he had his collar felt.

Taffy

HK ought to realise there's a market out there

Posted: 9/15/2005 2:44:27 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I just want more of these

tinypic.com/douxbq.jpg

No Monte Carlo stock...Just straightpull comb..."Rule 303" ...Breaker Morant

Wally

My next rifle will be a .303 when funds permit
I can pick a nice one up for around £200 (sometimes with reloading gear)

Taffy

Posted: 9/15/2005 5:57:07 AM EDT

[#7]

What would the UK contingent like to see......

more 'interesting' competitions. And less f***ing running

Posted: 9/15/2005 8:37:02 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Personally, id like a 9mm straightpull, 45 fully suppressed straightpull maybe a 458 socum upper, hmm maybe a 6,8 for fun

James

Well, the 9mm's were available from Southern Gun, we are in the process of building and designing our own model. It's a bit fraught at the moment though.

.45's are a different story as there is no bolt head available for our purposes in the UK.

Not sure about the Socom as I don't know what the parent case is.

The 6.8 is a dead duck.

a couple of us are working on a "Super-Secret" gallery rifle project at present.
More later

Mark

Posted: 9/15/2005 8:50:42 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:

Personally, id like a 9mm straightpull, 45 fully suppressed straightpull maybe a 458 socum upper, hmm maybe a 6,8 for fun

James

Well, the 9mm's were available from Southern Gun, we are in the process of building and designing our own model. It's a bit fraught at the moment though.

.45's are a different story as there is no bolt head available for our purposes in the UK.

Not sure about the Socom as I don't know what the parent case is.

The 6.8 is a dead duck.

a couple of us are working on a "Super-Secret" gallery rifle project at present.
More later

Mark

Mark will that be a 9mm AR you are refering to...or a HK

Taffy

Posted: 9/15/2005 8:52:42 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

Personally, id like a 9mm straightpull, 45 fully suppressed straightpull maybe a 458 socum upper, hmm maybe a 6,8 for fun

James

Well, the 9mm's were available from Southern Gun, we are in the process of building and designing our own model. It's a bit fraught at the moment though.

.45's are a different story as there is no bolt head available for our purposes in the UK.

Not sure about the Socom as I don't know what the parent case is.

The 6.8 is a dead duck.

a couple of us are working on a "Super-Secret" gallery rifle project at present.
More later

Mark

Mark will that be a 9mm AR you are refering to...or a HK

Taffy

No.....that is all (keep guessing)

Mark

Posted: 9/15/2005 9:04:23 AM EDT

[#11]

we need some hints

Posted: 9/15/2005 9:16:24 AM EDT

[#12]

A straight pull aug

Posted: 9/15/2005 9:43:22 AM EDT

[#13]

G36 would be nice but I'm still wonderin bout this 9mm

Posted: 9/15/2005 9:43:32 AM EDT

[#14]

well if you need anything for your top secret project, give me a shout

eta i think the .308 bolt heads would do for 45 acp but dont hold me to that!

James,

Posted: 9/15/2005 9:55:00 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
well if you need anything for your top secret project, give me a shout

eta i think the .308 bolt heads would do for 45 acp but dont hold me to that!

James,

Nice try, but there is no .308 bolt head for the AR

All I will say is that it will have superior ballistics to a 9mm and more punching power than a .45.
It will be suitable for short range gallery rifle stuff and medium range target shooting.
It will have high capacity and reliability as well as accuracy.

Keep on guessing...............

Mark

Posted: 9/15/2005 10:22:20 AM EDT

[#16]

doesnt the ar10 use a .308 bolthead??

.50 beuwolf??> (sp??)

James

Posted: 9/15/2005 10:45:36 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:
well if you need anything for your top secret project, give me a shout

eta i think the .308 bolt heads would do for 45 acp but dont hold me to that!

James,

Nice try, but there is no .308 bolt head for the AR

All I will say is that it will have superior ballistics to a 9mm and more punching power than a .45.
It will be suitable for short range gallery rifle stuff and medium range target shooting.
It will have high capacity and reliability as well as accuracy.

Keep on guessing...............

Mark

10mm MP5?

Posted: 9/15/2005 10:49:00 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
doesnt the ar10 use a .308 bolthead??

.50 beuwolf??> (sp??)

James

The AR 10 bolt head is totally different from an AR15 bolt.
It's much larger and won't fit an AR15 carrier.
And the AR10 carrier won't fit either

The Beowulf might be a goer some time in the future, but not from any of us.

One thing that most people don't realise about cartridges like the .50 Beowulf is the availability of bullets as they will probably have to be soft-point bullets

Mark

Posted: 9/15/2005 10:50:56 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
well if you need anything for your top secret project, give me a shout

eta i think the .308 bolt heads would do for 45 acp but dont hold me to that!

James,

Nice try, but there is no .308 bolt head for the AR

All I will say is that it will have superior ballistics to a 9mm and more punching power than a .45.
It will be suitable for short range gallery rifle stuff and medium range target shooting.
It will have high capacity and reliability as well as accuracy.

Keep on guessing...............

Mark

10mm MP5?

Nope

Posted: 9/15/2005 10:53:04 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
10mm MP5?

Nope - and I don't think they'll ever be any straight pull H&Ks in the UK...

The ones that were imported were made by Brugger & Thomet in Switzerland,. The conversion wasn't very good, and the Police said 'You must be joking!' (or something similar as the collar was felt!). H&K then told B&T that if they supplied any parts to make unlicenced MP5 copies their licence to build MP5s would be revoked. End of straight pull MP5 idea.....

Having said that, a 10mm MP5 would be uber-cool!!

Posted: 9/15/2005 11:35:35 AM EDT

[#21]

Quoted:
a couple of us are working on a "Super-Secret" gallery rifle project at present.
More later

Mark

Oooooh - I wonder what it is...

Posted: 9/15/2005 11:59:05 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Quoted:
10mm MP5?

Nope - and I don't think they'll ever be any straight pull H&Ks in the UK...

The ones that were imported were made by Brugger & Thomet in Switzerland,. The conversion wasn't very good, and the Police said 'You must be joking!' (or something similar as the collar was felt!). H&K then told B&T that if they supplied any parts to make unlicenced MP5 copies their licence to build MP5s would be revoked. End of straight pull MP5 idea.....

Having said that, a 10mm MP5 would be uber-cool!!

Then why dont HK do it themselves(ensuring it is UK legal)....there's a market there for them without even having to manufacture new tooling to make them.

Taffy

Is this Uber -Secret rifle 9mm?.....

9mm long
9mm short
9mm Luger
9mm Largo

9mm secret

high cap mag...hmmmm

straight pull you say?

hmmm

Posted: 9/15/2005 12:10:36 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Then why dont HK do it themselves(ensuring it is UK legal)....there's a market there for them without even having to manufacture new tooling to make them.

Taffy

Is this Uber -Secret rifle 9mm?.....

9mm long
9mm short
9mm Luger
9mm Largo

9mm secret

high cap mag...hmmmm

straight pull you say?

hmmm

For the simple reason they (UK Gov and HK) don't want UK civilians having access to these firearms in any form.

Posted: 9/15/2005 12:11:20 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Then why dont HK do it themselves(ensuring it is UK legal)....there's a market there for them without even having to manufacture new tooling to make them.

Taffy

The (big) problem would be converting the roller-locking delayed blowback to something that was manually operated (and not easily converted back).

Posted: 9/15/2005 4:13:31 PM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Then why dont HK do it themselves(ensuring it is UK legal)....there's a market there for them without even having to manufacture new tooling to make them.

Taffy

The (big) problem would be converting the roller-locking delayed blowback to something that was manually operated (and not easily converted back).

Target-hunter

We do not want excuses........!!
We want solutions

Now get back to the drawing board.....

Taffy

Posted: 9/15/2005 11:30:53 PM EDT

[#26]

there would be nothing to stop you making an MP5 knockoff using a modified AR15 bolt setup

Pistol caliber straight pull para Fal??

I think the ultimate would be a straight pull Minimi!!! the range nazi's would love that!!!

James,

Posted: 9/16/2005 8:26:31 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
there would be nothing to stop you making an MP5 knockoff using a modified AR15 bolt setup

It would just be a replica, and a very poor one at that.
Besides any MP5 variant with a longer than std barrel just looks ridiculous.

The MP5 thing is not going to happen

Pistol caliber straight pull para Fal??

Nope

I think the ultimate would be a straight pull Minimi!!! the range nazi's would love that!!!

I thought this thread was about things that could be realistically attainable.

Anyway, as for the Super Secret Gallery rifle project...
here is a teaser......
[Rolf Harris mode] can you tell what it is yet? [/Rolf Harris mode]

Mark

Posted: 9/16/2005 8:54:03 AM EDT

[#28]

.30Carbine I believe?

Rich

Posted: 9/16/2005 10:07:30 AM EDT

[#29]

Nope

Posted: 9/16/2005 1:22:43 PM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
Nope

Definately Nope

It's better than that

Keep on guessing

Posted: 9/17/2005 3:32:17 AM EDT

[#31]

hmmm, I spy a case forming die. That suggests a bottlneck case.

Now to quote streetfighter, "It will be suitable for short range gallery rifle stuff and medium range target shooting. It will have high capacity and reliability as well as accuracy."

the 'gallery rifle' rules out most c/f rifle cartridges (too much velocity). The high capacity is a big clue - its gotta use existing mags.

Something based around a re-formed 7.62x39 case?

This is starting to bug me

Posted: 9/17/2005 4:35:47 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Then why dont HK do it themselves(ensuring it is UK legal)....there's a market there for them without even having to manufacture new tooling to make them.

Taffy

The (big) problem would be converting the roller-locking delayed blowback to something that was manually operated (and not easily converted back).

And also, as the B&T MP5 clone is a 'free' weapon in Switzerland, buying the bits to convert back to a 'real' MP5 would be extremley easy and very doable… so no MP5's alas

ANdy

Posted: 9/17/2005 5:32:24 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
hmmm, I spy a case forming die. That suggests a bottlneck case.

Now to quote streetfighter, "It will be suitable for short range gallery rifle stuff and medium range target shooting. It will have high capacity and reliability as well as accuracy."

the 'gallery rifle' rules out most c/f rifle cartridges (too much velocity). The high capacity is a big clue - its gotta use existing mags.

It will be perfectly legal for GR events.

Something based around a re-formed 7.62x39 case?

Nope yet again

This is starting to bug me

Good

Keep on guessing

Mark

Posted: 9/17/2005 5:35:16 AM EDT

[#34]

.308 knecked down to .22LR?

ANdy

Posted: 9/17/2005 5:38:08 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
.308 knecked down to .22LR?

ANdy

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted: 9/17/2005 6:18:29 AM EDT

[#36]

My .30BR has similar forming dies but that would be OTT for gallery shooting.

.308x1 1/2 would again be OTT

.30 Herret would give you more poke than .30M1 but probably not enough to make the forming worthwhile?

.30 Kurz?

Anything bigger than .30 wouldnt have the legs for 200 yards

We are to assume its a rimless case?

Buggered if I know, show us the numbers on the dieshard

Posted: 9/17/2005 6:31:26 AM EDT

[#37]

.357 SIG?

Now what whould I like to see?

.22 Magnum AR15 with a reliable 10-15 round mag and if they do allow .17HMR in Semi auto after the HO review that would be better.

ANdy

Posted: 9/17/2005 8:21:27 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:
My .30BR has similar forming dies but that would be OTT for gallery shooting.
.308x1 1/2 would again be OTT
.30 Herret would give you more poke than .30M1 but probably not enough to make the forming worthwhile?
.30 Kurz?

Some better guesses - but still not right!

Anything bigger than .30 wouldnt have the legs for 200 yards
We are to assume its a rimless case?

Assume Nothing!

Buggered if I know, show us the numbers on the dies

No!

Richard

Posted: 9/17/2005 8:22:18 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
My .30BR has similar forming dies but that would be OTT for gallery shooting.

Apart from the over-power factor, the BR case doesn't lend itself to hi-cap feeding.

.308x1 1/2 would again be OTT

.30 Herret would give you more poke than .30M1 but probably not enough to make the forming worthwhile?

Still no, but it's good to see that this thread has got you thinking.

.30 Kurz?

Don't be daft

Anything bigger than .30 wouldnt have the legs for 200 yards

Never said it was a .30 cal, but there again, never said it wasn't

We are to assume its a rimless case?

Assume anything you like

Buggered if I know, show us the numbers on the dies

And spoil all the fun

NO
More pics to follow later

Mark

Posted: 9/17/2005 8:26:17 AM EDT

[#40]

Quoted:
.357 SIG?

NO

Posted: 9/17/2005 9:49:49 AM EDT

[#41]

It's a 30 M1 carbine necked down to 223 on a "lever" action AR15. (pistol grip cocking). The M1 carbine mags and lever action already work and the necked down case should give fairly respectable ballistics.

The other Mark,

I finally signed up. Now I just have to figure out how to stick my self portrait up with my details and I'll be flying!

Posted: 9/17/2005 9:55:53 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Quoted:
My .30BR has similar forming dies but that would be OTT for gallery shooting.

Apart from the over-power factor, the BR case doesn't lend itself to hi-cap feeding.

Indeed but the dies look similar
.308x1 1/2 would again be OTT

.30 Herret would give you more poke than .30M1 but probably not enough to make the forming worthwhile?

Still no, but it's good to see that this thread has got you thinking.

.30 Kurz?

Don't be daft h=85%

Anything bigger than .30 wouldnt have the legs for 200 yards

Never said it was a .30 cal, but there again, never said it wasn'the

We are to assume its a rimless case?

Assume anything you like h=85%

Buggered if I know, show us the numbers on the dieshr

And spoil all the fun hr

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