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Posted: 1/23/2009 9:15:52 AM EDT
3 days after Obama is POTUS.



FRIDAY, Jan. 23 (HealthDay News)

The first human trial using embryonic stem cells as a medical treatment has been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

Geron Corp., a California-based biotech company, has been given the OK to implant embryonic stem cells in eight to 10 paraplegic patients who can use their arms but can't walk. Stem cell injections will be given within two weeks of the injury. The study will begin this summer, and will be conducted at up to seven different medical centers.

"This marks the dawn of a new era in medical therapeutics," Dr. Thomas B. Okarma, Geron's president and CEO said during a Friday morning teleconference. "This approach is one that reaches beyond pills and scalpels to achieve a new level of healing."

Ultimately, this type of therapy might have the power to restore permanent organ and tissue function, Okarma said. The goal of this first trial is to see if injecting embryonic stem cells into humans is safe. However, the researchers will also be looking for signs of improvement in the patients' ability to feel sensation in or move their legs.

Patients will receive injections at the site of the injury. It is hoped these cells will mature into cells that will repair damaged nerves and produce chemicals that nerve cells need to function and grow.

This phase I trial will be limited to patients whose injury is located in the middle of the spine. If the trial is successful, Okarma said, the hope is to extend the treatment to patients with cervical spine injuries who are paralyzed from the neck down.

Okarma said the injections must be given early after the injury, before scar tissue has developed that would prevent the cells from growing, but after the initial swelling has subsided.

In addition, patients will receive anti-rejection drugs for about two months, after which they should no longer need those drugs. Patients will be followed for at least one year, he said.

The treatment is not expected to restore full function to patients, but the researchers hope to see modest gains. "Any return of bladder or bowel function, a return of sensation, or a return of lower extremity locomotion would be a very exciting finding," Okarma said.

In experiments with rats, researchers found these cells were safe and did restore some function. "These cells insulate as well as stimulate nerve fibers, leading to restoration of function in animal models of spinal cord injury," Okarma said.

The cost of this therapy isn't known yet, but Okarma said it would be "affordable."

Embryonic stem cells are the most basic human cells. These cells are believed to be capable of growing into any type of cell.

The controversy surrounding the use of these cells has become a political issue, with some objecting that the use of these cells destroys potential life because they must be extracted from human embryos. This belief resulted in the Bush administration banning federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

While the Obama administration has indicated that it will lift the ban, the stem cells used in this trial were obtained from one of the Bush administration's approved stem cell lines. However, no federal funds were used in the development of this treatment.

A decade has passed since the first embryonic stem cells were isolated at the University of Wisconsin, in groundbreaking research that was funded by Geron Corp.

Geron is also working on using embryonic stem cells to treat failing hearts and to create insulin-producing islets for type 1 diabetics, Okarma said.

"Embryonic stem cells are really nature's own way of making more of ourselves," Okarma said. "We are simply harnessing the biology of normal human development in our attempts to achieve permanent cures to chronic disease and injury."

Peter Kiernan, chairman of the Christopher And Dana Reeves Foundation, said he's excited about this latest development in stem cell research.

"This is not just a comet across our sky, this is really more like dawn," Kiernan said. "We are beginning a vast human experiment, and we have been waiting an extremely long time to get to this point. This is a very significant development."
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:19:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:35:22 AM EDT
[#2]
I posted a stem cell stock tip in GD a couple of months ago and got FLAMED!!!!!!!!!

The next morning the stocks I suggested were up over 30%

Since I don't learn from my mistakes here they are again.

ASTM

STEM

GERN

I'm looking to score when the Kenyan opens the federal funding floodgates.
Which I don't agree with by the way.

Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:37:59 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
YEAH BABY. I'm holding big and waiting.

I posted a stock tip in GD a couple of months ago and got FLAMED!!!!!!!!!

The next morning the stocks I suggested were up over 30%

Since I don't learn from my mistakes here they are again.

ASTM

STEM

GERN

I'm looking to score when the Kenyan opens the federal funding floodgates.
Which I don't agree with by the way.

ETA: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! ASTM already up over 20% today !!!!!!!!!


but yet funding. You heathen scumm. (off to buy stock in all three)
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:43:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Quoted:
YEAH BABY. I'm holding big and waiting.

I posted a stock tip in GD a couple of months ago and got FLAMED!!!!!!!!!

The next morning the stocks I suggested were up over 30%

Since I don't learn from my mistakes here they are again.

ASTM

STEM

GERN

I'm looking to score when the Kenyan opens the federal funding floodgates.
Which I don't agree with by the way.

ETA: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! ASTM already up over 20% today !!!!!!!!!


but yet funding. You heathen scumm. (off to buy stock in all three)


Be CAREFUL. I've been playing with these stem cell stocks for years.

There will be a lot of profit taking after the rally.
Study their charts as far back as you can go.

Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:47:10 AM EDT
[#5]
That spike was me buying.
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 9:54:27 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
That spike was me buying.


THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!

If the rally continues I will buy a new gun.
I always do when this sector treats me well.
Appreciate your continued support.


Link Posted: 1/23/2009 10:03:16 AM EDT
[#7]
an abundance of caution
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 10:13:59 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
an abundance of caution


Understood and certainly prudent.
They are quite volatile.
But when they take off they do it well.




Link Posted: 1/23/2009 7:45:01 PM EDT
[#9]
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 7:57:52 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!



What are you? Some sort of anti-mutant Zombie hater? What are we gonna shoot with our $2k bone stock ARs and $100 10 round magazines  5 years from now if they dont get cracking on making a race of fucked up mutants, who eat flesh btw.
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:03:36 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!



What are you? Some sort of anti-mutant Zombie hater? What are we gonna shoot with our $2k bone stock ARs and $100 10 round magazines  5 years from now if they dont get cracking on making a race of fucked up mutants, who eat flesh btw.



You are right, sir!  This unbridled tampering with the forces of nature will cause the Zombie apocolypse we've all only known as fiction...................and you are correct, sir, let us boldy embrace our fate, as we stare down the mindless hordes, not to utter "oh no," but to shout "FINALLY!".

Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:04:39 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:

I'm all for it, you do know that embryonic stem cells are harvested from a blastocyst 5-7 days post fertilization? That looks like this:


http://www.advancedfertility.com/pics/blastocyst.jpg


Nothing even closely resembling human life.



gotta disagree 110% I have a pic just like this from my 4yo daughter

yes she is an IVF  aka test tube baby

Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:15:03 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!


Too late.....Their called liberal hippies and their running around all over my neighborhood all drunk on "Change".  Makes me wanna vomit.
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:21:43 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:

I'm all for it, you do know that embryonic stem cells are harvested from a blastocyst 5-7 days post fertilization? That looks like this:


http://www.advancedfertility.com/pics/blastocyst.jpg


Nothing even closely resembling human life.


The next 2 pictures in that sequence:

11 weeks post fertilization:


22 weeks(?) post fertilization:


They don't really look like human life either.  the second one looks like a frigging V baby!  (does anyone even get that reference?)


Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:27:23 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:

I'm all for it, you do know that embryonic stem cells are harvested from a blastocyst 5-7 days post fertilization? That looks like this:


http://www.advancedfertility.com/pics/blastocyst.jpg


Nothing even closely resembling human life.


The next 2 pictures in that sequence:

11 weeks post fertilization:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2144/2177341808_cd2513d41c_m.jpg

22 weeks(?) post fertilization:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/2266385408_1de0d11dc7_m.jpg

They don't really look like human life either.  the second one looks like a frigging V baby!  (does anyone even get that reference?)





Yes!  V kicked ass!  They should do a remake on the Sci-Fi channel....................no wait.................look what they did to Battlestar Galactica..............nevermind........

PEOPLE!  This thread is juuuuuuuust now starting to go in a possibly "south" direction.   Let's try to take it somewhat easy on eachother.
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:39:42 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:PEOPLE!  This thread is juuuuuuuust now starting to go in a possibly "south" direction.   Let's try to take it somewhat easy on eachother.

Too late.  Genie out of the bottle.

With BHO in office we can finally return our rights to post-term abortion.  I mean if it's ok three months before birth, why not go three months after birth?  Of course this would only be in cases where the baby was a great inconvenience to the parents...
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:45:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:

With BHO in office we can finally return our rights to post-term abortion.  I mean if it's ok three months before birth, why not go three month afterbirth?  Of course this would only be in cases where the baby was a great inconvenience to the parents...


eeeeeeeeew !
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 8:57:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Aw, fuck it.

Science says it's a human as soon as it has human DNA. That'd be as soon as there's one cell. And killing a human would be murder, regardless of their developmental abilities.

By the same token, Christianity says that twins don't share a soul, even when they have the same genes, so "spiritually" as well as scientifically, a clone would be a new person, and there should be no moral restriction on cloning.























Link Posted: 1/23/2009 10:37:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Fascinating point to bring up!  I've always wondered if a true clone would have a soul...................it somehow must, because a clone wouldn't necessarily have the same opinions, memories, or will that the "original" had..................or would it?  Surely not.

For a clone, a genetic copy, to have different thoughts and ideas, despite having exactly the same neural network structure as the original, would surely indicate that consciousness does not merely derive from basic nerual processes, at the cellular level, but it is the true "us", the soul, and it exists in a quantum network, "beneath" it all...................

Because surely this quantum, or even sub-quantum substrate would not be reproduced in an exact way...................a clone is only a copy on the cellular level, the DNA itself.
Link Posted: 1/23/2009 11:06:31 PM EDT
[#20]

Don't worry about mutants or clones.

Worry about how many shares your sitting on when the
Kenyan signs the bill to increase funding for stem cell research.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 6:28:17 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!



What are you? Some sort of anti-mutant Zombie hater? What are we gonna shoot with our $2k bone stock ARs and $100 10 round magazines  5 years from now if they dont get cracking on making a race of fucked up mutants, who eat flesh btw.



You are right, sir!  This unbridled tampering with the forces of nature will cause the Zombie apocolypse we've all only known as fiction...................and you are correct, sir, let us boldy embrace our fate, as we stare down the mindless hordes, not to utter "oh no," but to shout "FINALLY!".



I lol'ed... this is so true... So... Where would we all hold up... What would be your ideal place to be when the zombie hordes come...

Me: Someplace where there are other ppl with guns and lots of ammo...
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 6:46:54 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:

...................a clone is only a copy on the cellular level, the DNA itself.



Officer, I didn't commit the crime where you found my DNA and fingerprints... My clone did it...
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 11:26:06 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:

...................a clone is only a copy on the cellular level, the DNA itself.



Officer, I didn't commit the crime where you found my DNA and fingerprints... My clone did it...


Already an issue with some twins.
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 4:36:55 PM EDT
[#24]
Late term abortions should be allowed anyways...at least for some of the kids in my neighborhood.  14 isn't too late, is it?
Link Posted: 1/24/2009 4:37:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
We're gonna have a race of fucked up mutants runnin' around before long, tamperin' with mother nature like this!



What are you? Some sort of anti-mutant Zombie hater? What are we gonna shoot with our $2k bone stock ARs and $100 10 round magazines  5 years from now if they dont get cracking on making a race of fucked up mutants, who eat flesh btw.



You are right, sir!  This unbridled tampering with the forces of nature will cause the Zombie apocolypse we've all only known as fiction...................and you are correct, sir, let us boldy embrace our fate, as we stare down the mindless hordes, not to utter "oh no," but to shout "FINALLY!".



I lol'ed... this is so true... So... Where would we all hold up... What would be your ideal place to be when the zombie hordes come...

Me: Someplace where there are other ppl with guns and lots of ammo...



................there is a plan.....................
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 10:19:01 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
They don't really look like human life either.  the second one looks like a frigging V baby!  (does anyone even get that reference?)


"V"  the tv show with human looking reptiles ?

GD F...in water thieves
Link Posted: 1/25/2009 10:23:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Wow 15 post and I own 2 pages already.

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