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Posted: 9/1/2011 8:43:48 AM EST
So I got this huge package in the mail yesterday. Looked it over quickly. I have a couple of questions concerning filling it out:

1) Do character references have to reside in Westchester Co? It doesn't say so on the application, but would be nice to know.
2) There's a question on whether one had ever been fired or let go from a job. I was layed off once in 2002 due to lack of work in the company. Do I have to explain that on the application?
3) What's a pre-firearm license? Never heard of it.
4) If I possess a black powder revolver already (no loading stuff of course), how do I explain it on the application? I would like to register it on the permit and then take my time picking a "real" pistol. This way I can shoot various models and make a choice.

Wish me luck with all this bullshit.

Link Posted: 9/1/2011 11:43:29 AM EST
References must live in westchester county. Don't worry about being fired, most people have at some point in their career. As long as it wasn't for violence, or complete disregard for safety, you will be fine. I was...
Never heard of a pre-firearms license. And I would leave out the black powder revolver. Just me, but the process is long enough. Giving them a reason to ask questions will only prolong it. As long as you are in compliance with nys law, they don't need to know. You can, if you have a close family member or friend, put their gun on your license, but at the end of the day, it is easier to buy a little .22 fun gun for $150-200 and then shop for the big dog.

Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 9/1/2011 12:10:17 PM EST
Isn't the pre-license thing an exemption to carry a pistol before you are even approved?

I think it's for emergency circumstances for people with threats against their lives. It allows them to own a gun while their application is being processed.

It isn't given to many people.
Link Posted: 9/1/2011 12:10:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/1/2011 12:14:48 PM EST by rkbar15]
A "pre-license" exemption allows you take the full NRA Basic Pistol course including the live fire component required for issuance of the course completion certificate. Otherwise it's a two-step process which requires you to take the required WC safety related component and after your license is issued return for the the live fire range component.

PL265.20

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7-b. Possession and use, at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located
in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization
organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small
arms or at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or
approved by the national rifle association for the purpose of loading
and firing the same, by a person who has applied for a license to
possess a pistol or revolver and pre-license possession of same pursuant
to section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter, who has not been previously
denied a license, been previously convicted of a felony or serious
offense, and who does not appear to be, or pose a threat to be, a danger
to himself or to others, and who has been approved for possession and
use herein in accordance with section 400.00 or 400.01 of this chapter;
provided however, that such possession shall be of a pistol or revolver
duly licensed to and shall be used under the supervision, guidance and
instruction of, a person specified in paragraph seven of this
subdivision and provided further that such possession and use be within
the jurisdiction of the licensing officer with whom the person has made
application therefor or within the jurisdiction of the superintendent of
state police in the case of a retired sworn member of the division of
state police who has made an application pursuant to section 400.01 of
this chapter.


PL400

.................

(b) Application for an exemption under paragraph seven-b of
subdivision a of section 265.20 of this chapter. Each applicant desiring
to obtain the exemption set forth in paragraph seven-b of subdivision a
of section 265.20 of this chapter shall make such request in writing of
the licensing officer with whom his application for a license is filed,
at the time of filing such application. Such request shall include a
signed and verified statement by the person authorized to instruct and
supervise the applicant, that has met with the applicant and that he has
determined that, in his judgment, said applicant does not appear to be
or poses a threat to be, a danger to himself or to others. He shall
include a copy of his certificate as an instructor in small arms, if he
is required to be certified, and state his address and telephone number.
He shall specify the exact location by name, address and telephone
number where such instruction will take place. Such licensing officer
shall, no later than ten business days after such filing, request the
duly constituted police authorities of the locality where such
application is made to investigate and ascertain any previous criminal
record of the applicant pursuant to subdivision four of this section.
Upon completion of this investigation, the police authority shall report
the results to the licensing officer without unnecessary delay. The
licensing officer shall no later than ten business days after the
receipt of such investigation, determine if the applicant has been
previously denied a license, been convicted of a felony, or been
convicted of a serious offense, and either approve or disapprove the
applicant for exemption purposes based upon such determinations. If the
applicant is approved for the exemption, the licensing officer shall
notify the appropriate duly constituted police authorities and the
applicant. Such exemption shall terminate if the application for the
license is denied, or at any earlier time based upon any information
obtained by the licensing officer or the appropriate police authorities
which would cause the license to be denied. The applicant and
appropriate police authorities shall be notified of any such
terminations.
Link Posted: 9/1/2011 12:11:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:

I think it's for emergency circumstances for people with threats against their lives. It allows them to own a gun while their application is being processed.


This is NY. Dream on.
Link Posted: 9/1/2011 3:32:31 PM EST
Another question - it asks if I had ever possessed a firearms license. Well, I had an NYC rifle/shotgun permit and let it expire when I moved to Westchester. Does that qualify as a "firearm license". I mean a rifle is not a "firearm" per 400.
Link Posted: 9/1/2011 4:02:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By batjka104:
Another question - it asks if I had ever possessed a firearms license. Well, I had an NYC rifle/shotgun permit and let it expire when I moved to Westchester. Does that qualify as a "firearm license". I mean a rifle is not a "firearm" per 400.


Don't play lawyer. You had a license from NYC for a rifle so tell them. If they have to dig it up they many deny you because you showed poor moral character by lieing.
Link Posted: 9/2/2011 5:08:45 AM EST
I guess you are right. I will mention the NYC rifle permit on my application. Hope they don't give me crap just because I didn't renew it. I called the rifle/shotgun section and told them I was moving and my permit was expiring within 2 weeks of my move date. All they sent me was a renewal application. Should I have notified them in writing to make it official? I'm a little concerned about that.
Link Posted: 9/2/2011 6:12:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2011 6:12:54 AM EST by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By batjka104:

I guess you are right. I will mention the NYC rifle permit on my application.


When they run your fingerprints the DCJS rap sheet will list the NYPD licensing fingerprint records request. You probably should have canceled your permit when they sent you the renewal instead of just ignoring it. They probably sent the SWAT Team out to your old residence a couple of times since you moved.
Link Posted: 9/2/2011 6:23:37 AM EST
So in your opinion I should do it still as not to cause problems with WC pistol permit? It's only been a few months since I moved.
Link Posted: 9/2/2011 6:29:03 AM EST
You should call the rifle/shotgun licensing and ask them. No, I don't think it will be a problem in WC though.
Link Posted: 9/3/2011 4:41:46 AM EST
Just put it on the app, and include a long detailed explaination in writing as to the disposition of your permit. While the PP section is still not like upstate, it's not as bad as it was under belfiore. You may want to even call the PP unit at 914-995-2709, and ask them about your situation, before submitting your paperwork, so you'll have everything in order when you have to go through multiple layers of security just to get to the Clerk's office.
Link Posted: 9/3/2011 5:13:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By 45stops-em-quick:

Just put it on the app, and include a long detailed explaination in writing as to the disposition of your permit.


He still needs to find out from the NYC rifle/shotgun licensing weenies whether he has to formally cancel his non-renewed R/S permit.

Link Posted: 9/3/2011 9:00:59 AM EST
It's going to be fun watching SAF nuke this excessive junk in a year or two.
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 4:28:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/26/2011 6:01:52 AM EST by batjka104]
Update:

Got the application filled out, notarized, ready to go. Called PP section to schedule an appointment. Want to guess how long I have to wait for it? THREE MONTHS! And here I am, trying to get the paperwork done in a hurry. Had I known it takes this long I would have called them as soon as the application was mailed out to me. Would have probably shaved 3 weeks off the waiting time. Oh, well...

And don't forget, after the interview I still have to wait 3-6 months for the permit to be issued. Which makes is a minimum of 6 months wait total, and up to 9 months at the worst. This is ridiculous. Obviously, they want to put as many obstacles to a handgun ownership as possible.
Link Posted: 9/26/2011 12:20:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By batjka104:
Update:

Got the application filled out, notarized, ready to go. Called PP section to schedule an appointment. Want to guess how long I have to wait for it? THREE MONTHS! And here I am, trying to get the paperwork done in a hurry. Had I known it takes this long I would have called them as soon as the application was mailed out to me. Would have probably shaved 3 weeks off the waiting time. Oh, well...

And don't forget, after the interview I still have to wait 3-6 months for the permit to be issued. Which makes is a minimum of 6 months wait total, and up to 9 months at the worst. This is ridiculous. Obviously, they want to put as many obstacles to a handgun ownership as possible.

I wouldn't worry too much about the 3 month date, they always have cancellations. They will call you at the # on your application and ask if you want to move to an earlier date. Of the 5 people I know who went through this process 4 were able to move to an earlier date.
Link Posted: 9/28/2011 1:23:14 AM EST
That's encouraging. Hope you're correct. Thanks.

What was the average waiting time after the interview for those 5 people? Just curious.
Link Posted: 9/28/2011 6:28:34 AM EST
Your head is going to explode by the time your license is approved.
Link Posted: 9/30/2011 3:25:04 AM EST
From what I remember it was from 1-2 months max. I know I was called twice for earlier spots - due to cancellations, but couldn't take the first due to short notice. The more flexible your schedule is the more likely you are to cut down the wait time.

That's encouraging. Hope you're correct. Thanks.

What was the average waiting time after the interview for those 5 people? Just curious.


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