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Posted: 3/27/2009 11:40:08 AM EDT
Not only cannot I carry a gun concealed to Pizza Hut, but if I get killed WHILE IN UNIFORM and on duty, the murderer wont get the chair. some how the fact I dont get a paycheck makes my life less worty?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/kaine-vetoes-death-penalty-expansion-gun-bills


Kaine vetoes death penalty expansion, gun bills
Posted to: General Assembly News Virginia




Gov. Tim Kaine has vetoed legislation that would have expanded Virginia's death penalty and made it easier to purchase and carry guns.

Kaine on Friday vetoed bills that would have expanded the death penalty to accomplices in murders and to those who kill on-duty fire marshals or auxiliary police officers. Virginia already ranks second in the nation in the number of executions carried out.

Kaine also rejected legislation that would have allowed those with concealed carry permits to take hidden weapons into bars and restaurants as long as they didn't drink alcohol and another bill that would have allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry firearms into restaurants that serve booze.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 11:48:25 AM EDT
And my optimism was killed.

What a dick, he is.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 11:52:23 AM EDT
Can't wait till he is gone...
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 12:06:07 PM EDT
Yeah can't we start a count down clock till that POS is gone!
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 12:23:45 PM EDT
F@#% O....No wait....F@#% Kaine! This double-standard loving son-of-a-!%#$% needs to go. I absolutely cannot STAND the lack of logic that drives this pathetic excuse of a politician.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 1:27:54 PM EDT
asshole.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 1:41:59 PM EDT
Fax, email, and phone message sent to my delegate and senator.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 1:42:57 PM EDT
VA-ALERT: Governor Kaine vetoes a host of gun bills

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From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: Governor Kaine vetoes a host of gun bills

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URGENT ACTION ITEM AT END, PLEASE DO YOUR PART - WE CAN FIX THIS!

Governor Kaine vetoed a host of guns bills, some for things that the
bills don't even do!

He thought he knew what they did, but he clearly didn't bother to
actually read them.

This would almost be comical if it didn't affect the safety of the
public.

Here are the bills he vetoed and his, er, logic in doing so, and my
comments:

SB 1035, Senator Hanger, repeals the restaurant ban. Governor says,
"Allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve
alcohol puts the public, the employees, and our public safety officers
at risk. I take seriously the objections of law enforcement to this
measure." Baloney. The Governor orders the police to tell him they
think allowing permit holders to carry concealed in restaurants, even
if they don't drink, endangers the public, then he uses their coerced
statement to justify what he was going to do anyhow.

SB 877, Senator Martin, repeals the restaurant ban for retired
police. Governor Says, "While it makes sense for current law
enforcement officers to be permitted to carry their firearms when in
such establishments, there is no compelling reason for retired law
enforcement officers to have weapons in locations where alcohol is
served." Well at least the Governor is consistent in his double-
standard, that allows untrained Commonwealth Attorneys and their
deputies to carry concealed in restaurants and drink, while denying
anybody not on the government payroll the same right to protect
themselves, not matter how trustworthy they have proven themselves.

HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One
Handgun a Month. Governor says, "The new exemption would apply to
active duty service members, whether Virginia residents or not.
Because holders of valid Virginia concealed weapons permits are
already able to purchase more than one handgun per month, House Bill
1851 only extends the ability to buy more than one handgun a month to
nonresidents or those Virginians unable to obtain a concealed weapons
permit." What?!? Unable to get a permit or CHOOSE not to, Governor?
The Governor must be related to Marie Antoinette, with his "let them
eat cake" attitude toward our military. Shameful.

SB 1528, Senator Cuccinnelli, allows for Internet-based training for
CHP applicants. Governor says, "The state requires an applicant for a
concealed weapons permit to take a written safety test to demonstrate
that the individual understands how to use a weapon in a safe manner.
Allowing the testing to be done online would weaken the ability of the
Commonwealth to determine who is actually taking the test and open up
opportunities for individuals to receive a permit under fraudulent
circumstances with no guarantee that they can use a weapon safely."
WHAT?!? There is NO requirement in current law for a written SAFETY
TEST!!! Where did he come up with that? So he vetoed this bill based
on a law that he just made up out of thin air. If there is any fraud
going on, Governor, it is YOU swearing an oath to defend and protect
the Constitution.

HB 2528, Delegate Cole, requires that localities pass an ordinance
before doing gun buy-ups. Governor says, "I veto House Bill 2528,
which unnecessarily interferes with the operations of local
governments. Specifically, the bill prohibits local law enforcement
from choosing to conduct voluntary gun buyback programs and then
destroying the weapons. Some localities have found this program to be
effective in reducing the number of illegal firearms in their
communities. It is not a mandatory program, and law enforcement in
each locality have made the decision whether such a program is
desirable in their own county or city. There is no compelling reason
for the General Assembly to take this decision out of the hands of
local law enforcement." WHAT?!? It does NOT require that localities
not destroy guns. The final bill that passed made it an option for
localities to be able to either do that or to sell the guns to a
federally licensed gun dealer. The Governor is NOT reading these
bills and is vetoing them based on erroneous knowledge of what the
bills do! Harvard needs to get that diploma back ASAP.

I would sum up Governor Kaine's attitude as, "To hell with the will of
the People as expressed through the Legislature. I, King Kaine, know
what all the People want and need and I have no interest in hearing
their little voices and don't want to be confused with the facts."

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What now?

On April 8th the General Assembly meets to override the Governor's
vetoes. Unlike Governor Kaine, the General Assembly needs to show
that public safety is more important than blind anti-gun politics.

A quick look at the vetoed bills:

SB 1035, the restaurant ban repeal, needs 5 more votes to be
overridden in the Senate and the VCDL "robo calls" are working that
issue right now. The House only needs 1 more vote to override the
veto. (Senate 22 to 16, House 66 to 33) SEE ACTION ITEM BELOW!

SB 877, the restaurant ban repeal for retired police, passed by a
large veto proof margin. (Senate 40 to 0, House 84 to 15)

SB 1851, One Handgun A Month exemption for active duty military,
passed by a large veto proof majority. (Senate 31 to 8, House 86 to 13)

SB 1528, internet training for CHPs, passed by a large veto-proof
majority. (Senate 29 to 10, House 99 to 0)

HB 2528, gun buy-up bill, passed by a large veto-proof majority.
(Senate 28 to 12, House 85 to 11)


So only one bill is in any real jeopardy, SB 1035, the restaurant ban
repeal for CHP holders. The other bills have decent margin of votes
to override the Governor's veto.

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ACTION ITEM

If YOUR Senator is one of the following:

Blevins, Colgan, Herring, Lucas, Norment, Northam, or Petersen

And/Or YOUR Delegate is one of the following:

Albo, Amundson, Caputo, Dance, Hamilton, Hargrove, Mathieson, May,
Melvin, Paula Miller, Poisson, Rust, Shannon, Sickles, Tata, Tyler,
Vanderhye, or Watts

You need to call them NOW and let them know that since they supported
RETIRED police officers carrying concealed in restaurants, even if
they are drinking alcohol, they NEED to change their vote and override
the Governor's veto to SUPPORT concealed handgun permit holders
carrying concealed in restaurants if they don't drink!

These legislators simply cannot justify what they have done by their
contradictory votes. We MUST call them and let them know we expect
them to make it right by overriding the veto.

Here are their LOCAL phone numbers. Remember - call them NOW if they
represent you. Have your family members and neighbors do the same.

We CAN do this if enough of you do your part.

Remember to hold their feet to the fire on this one!


Senators:

Harry Blevins, 757-546-2435

Chuck Colgan, 703-368-0300

Mark Herring, 703-729-3300

Louise Lucas, 757-397-8209

Thomas Norment, 757-259-7810

Ralph Northam, 757-818-5172

Chap Petersen, 703-349-3361


Delegates:

Dave Albo, 703-451-3555

Kristen Amundson, 703-619-0444

Chuck Caputo, 703-476-6944

Rosalyn Dance, 804-862-2922

Phillip Hamilton, 757-249-2480

Frank Hargrove, 804-550-2900

Bobby Mathieson, 757-470-3000

Joe May, 703-777-1191

Ken Melvin, 757-397-2800

Paula Miller, 757-587-8757

David Poisson, 703-421-6899

Thomas Rust, 703-437-9400

Stephen Shannon, 703-281-5200

Mark Sickles, 703-922-6440

Bob Tata, 757-340-3510

Roslyn Tyler, 434-336-1710

Margi Vanderhye, 703-448-8018

Vivian Watts, 703-978-2989


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Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:45:55 PM EDT
It's not over until the fat lady sings. Hopefully VA legislators will overide Kain's veto. If not I guess I will have to continue absolutely never carrying my concealed weapon into an establishment that serves alcohol ;) - I certainly wouldn't want to violate a law that turns me into a helpless victim.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 6:14:21 PM EDT
I have called and left messages for both my Senator and my Delegate. I hope these two, who have historically lousy gun vote records, decide to do the right thing. Something tells me I'm going to be disappointed.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 6:47:17 PM EDT
is anyone really surprised by this. we already knew douchecaptain kaine was a fucking assbag and would veto it.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 7:02:26 PM EDT
No possible way the NOVA Dems will turn against the CHAIRMAN OF THE DNC, not if they want party support come reelection time. The Veto will stand. Why is anyone surprised by this?
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 8:32:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2009 8:33:04 PM EDT by VAAR]
Originally Posted By WayneG:
No possible way the NOVA Dems will turn against the CHAIRMAN OF THE DNC, not if they want party support come reelection time. The Veto will stand. Why is anyone surprised by this?


+1

ETA: But I'm going to send the e-mail this weekend anyway...

Link Posted: 3/28/2009 5:22:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/28/2009 5:23:29 AM EDT by rookie421]
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:
Not only cannot I carry a gun concealed to Pizza Hut, but if I get killed WHILE IN UNIFORM and on duty, the murderer wont get the chair. some how the fact I dont get a paycheck makes my life less worty?


What crap......paycheck or not you are out there risking your life like any other LEO. The bad guys don't look to see if you are Aux. or Reserve......this needs to be over turned. Understand that some of us out here appreciate what you do.....for free. You don't do it for the fame or the money(most departments don't pay there Aux or Reserve) and you sure as hell are not doing it to make friends. You do it to give back to your community and I want to thank you and every other Aux. and Reserve out there.

Here is the governors lame excuse for not signing the proposed bill:

Kaine also vetoed bills (SB 1069, SB 1409 and HB 2638) to add murders of fire marshals and auxiliary police officers to the list of capital crimes.

“Virginia is already second in the nation in the number of executions we carry out,” Kaine said in a statement. “While the nature of the offenses targeted by this legislation is very serious, I do not believe that further expansion of the death penalty is necessary to protect human life.”

Source
Link Posted: 3/28/2009 6:58:48 AM EDT
I called, faxed, and emailed my state delegate and state senator.

Irrespective of the outcome, it is your obligation to demand that your voice be heard.

Simply typing "assclown" or "douchebag" on a firearms discussion board doesn't get it.
Link Posted: 3/28/2009 10:40:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By W_E_G:
I called, faxed, and emailed my state delegate and state senator.

Irrespective of the outcome, it is your obligation to demand that your voice be heard.

Simply typing "assclown" or "douchebag" on a firearms discussion board doesn't get it.


+1. If you haven't picked up your PHONE and made an actual phone call (leave a message!), sent an email, or some other form of direct communication with these people, then you are NOT doing your bit to protect YOUR rights.

I actually wrote down what I was going to say on the phone so that I wouldn't have to try and get all the points down from memory. Do the same. This is important, even if you don't like cops, have a permit or anything else. They're still your rights being infringed by this jackass we call Governor.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 9:51:31 AM EDT
What does Kaine care??? He's on his way up in the Demo Party on a national level and has to cater to his new fellow travellers.

I just hope our next guv will be more influenced by logic than propaganda!
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 2:23:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:

Kaine on Friday vetoed bills that would have expanded the death penalty to accomplices in murders and to those who kill on-duty fire marshals or auxiliary police officers. .


This is one of the reasons I decided to not volunteer to be an auxiliary cop.
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 3:03:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:

Kaine on Friday vetoed bills that would have expanded the death penalty to accomplices in murders and to those who kill on-duty fire marshals or auxiliary police officers. .


This is one of the reasons I decided to not volunteer to be an auxiliary cop.


I am sorry but that seems kind of selfish. You do it to help/serve the community.

Link Posted: 3/29/2009 6:08:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:

Kaine on Friday vetoed bills that would have expanded the death penalty to accomplices in murders and to those who kill on-duty fire marshals or auxiliary police officers. .


This is one of the reasons I decided to not volunteer to be an auxiliary cop.




Really? What is your recourse for being a citizen? If you get killed, except in some very particular situations, your killer wont get the chair.


People on the street have no idea if I am auxiliary or paid. I look like a paid officer. Dress like one. Same uniform, same gun. How will it influence their behavior in the slightest?



All seriousness aside, one becomes a Auxiliary (or paid) officer for the 50% discount at Arby's.

Link Posted: 3/29/2009 6:41:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:

Kaine on Friday vetoed bills that would have expanded the death penalty to accomplices in murders and to those who kill on-duty fire marshals or auxiliary police officers. .


This is one of the reasons I decided to not volunteer to be an auxiliary cop.




Really? What is your recourse for being a citizen? If you get killed, except in some very particular situations, your killer wont get the chair.


People on the street have no idea if I am auxiliary or paid. I look like a paid officer. Dress like one. Same uniform, same gun. How will it influence their behavior in the slightest?



All seriousness aside, one becomes a Auxiliary (or paid) officer for the 50% discount at Arby's.



Arby's discount???!!?!? SIGN ME UP!!!!
Link Posted: 3/29/2009 8:21:05 PM EDT
Shows you how clueless I am, I didn't even know there was such a thing as an auxiliary police officer

unfortunately, Kaine is a clown and will be with the other clowns running the DNC. I've been pretty active lately writing my US Rep and it looks like I'll be adding my VA rep to that list.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 4:47:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BiggiBen:


Really? What is your recourse for being a citizen? If you get killed, except in some very particular situations, your killer wont get the chair.






Which is one reason I don't really care if the law passed giving the death penalty to those who kill an Auxillary, I think you should be eligible for the death penalty for any first degree murder.

It's kind of like "Hate Crimes", If you go and beat someone up, should it really matter if you beat them up because of the color of their skin? It's wrong to go around beating people, what's the difference if you beat someone up because of the color of their skin and beating someone up because you wanted to steal their wallet? To the person getting beat up, they still got a but whooping.

In my mind it's the same thing with murder. If you kill someone because they are a cop (or happen to be in a police uniform) or you kill someone because you want their money the end result is the same, you killed a person, and you should face the possibility of the death penalty for it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 4:57:27 AM EDT
We all knew this was coming. We need 5 more votes to kill the veto. It ain't going to happen. I think last year we only need 3 and still didn't get it. My guy voted properly at least. We're just going to have to wait another year and see who we get for a new gov. Just going to have to keep open carrying for now.
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