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Posted: 10/25/2010 7:54:49 AM EDT
So, what do you folks think?  Has the time come that a 3rd party conservative candidate can actually win a major office in Ohio, or the country for that matter?  In other words, is a vote for someone like Libertarian Ken Matesz for Gov, or Marc Feldman for AG a waste of a vote thus aiding the Dems by splitting otherwise Republican aimed votes?

Trying to decide where to place my votes, any input from locals who know about the Libertarian candidates appreciated. (Their website doesn't give a lot of details other than being for small gov and pro gun, which are both good things and my reason for considering)

I am the patriarch of my family and therefore have influence over my family's votes. My biggest fear would be taking votes from a GOP candidate and assisting a Demoncrat.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 8:39:12 AM EDT
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Just hold your nose and vote republican this time. Iam sure they'll give us a true conservative like Matesz next time around.

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Link Posted: 10/25/2010 9:33:11 AM EDT
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Just hold your nose and vote republican this time. Iam sure they'll give us a true conservative like Matesz next time around.

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That's what I am going to do. Except DeSwine. That *** will not get my vote anytime soon. Voting for 3rd party as a protest is like ****ing in the wind this time around.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 9:51:56 AM EDT
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Just hold your nose and vote republican this time. Iam sure they'll give us a true conservative like Matesz next time around.

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That's what I am going to do. Except DeSwine. That *** will not get my vote anytime soon. Voting for 3rd party as a protest is like ****ing in the wind this time around.


This.

Like other states are doing, we need to have our family feud in the primaries. The exception being Dewine.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 2:16:46 PM EDT
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I will not hold my nose and vote.  Ive done too much of that in the past and it has gotten us nowhere.  I'm voting 3rd party.
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 3:01:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/25/2010 4:23:35 PM EDT
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Thank you for voting Democrat.

Assuming you want a conservative office holder you need to vote for the most conservative person who can win!    

Voting Libertarian or Green or Dog Breath party wastes your vote completely.  If you're going to even bother to vote, vote where for someone with a chance of winning.

That's right.  By not voting Republican you're essentially voting Democrat.  The Libertarian Party is irrelevant.  Get over it.  Be part of the solution, don't continue to be part of the problem.

I pretty much went a "straight ticket" in this election.  Mike Dewine is the obvious exception, of course..  

–– Chuck


Indeed, AG is the only vote that will be a third party, everything else goes the Right way.....
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 5:17:13 PM EDT
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for AG, gun rights groups endorsed Cordray,
  Ohio Tea Party PAC endorsed Owens..

        i doubt anyone worth a damn endorsed Deswine, ..but who knows..  
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 6:01:57 PM EDT
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Thank you for voting Democrat.

Assuming you want a conservative office holder you need to vote for the most conservative person who can win!    

Voting Libertarian or Green or Dog Breath party wastes your vote completely.  If you're going to even bother to vote, vote where for someone with a chance of winning.

That's right.  By not voting Republican you're essentially voting Democrat.  The Libertarian Party is irrelevant.  Get over it.  Be part of the solution, don't continue to be part of the problem.

I pretty much went a "straight ticket" in this election.  Mike Dewine is the obvious exception, of course..  

–– Chuck


well if voting 3rd party is voting democrat in at least he's got A on guns, at least he didnt vote for the Clinton gun ban....
Link Posted: 10/25/2010 6:12:20 PM EDT
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The fact that gun groups are endorsing dems right now is a clue that holding your nose at the polls is not working. Why not just support cadidates that want what most of us want? The two partysystem is not good enough.

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Link Posted: 10/26/2010 4:57:00 AM EDT
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All I can see is that under the Dems watch we have lost 400,000 jobs in Ohio, and no matter how many jobs are created in the Government sector, those jobs will not jump start the economy.
The Dems could go fcuk themselves prior to all this shite, and they sure as hell can go fcuk themselves now.

I wonder how many of you that are bound and determined to vote Dem have jobs?
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 5:42:21 AM EDT
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No vote is ever wasted. The comment made by Chuck is irrelevant and ignorant. It will take time and maybe your third party canidate will not win the election this year but your voice is being heard. I will be with you in voting Libertarian this year. The party has been steadily gaining popularity. I don't know about you but I am ready for some government with some common sense. Both parties (Rep and Dem) have been steadily taken your individual rights away. Republicans are pro gun this and that. They are also signing bills and laws to keep you under surveillance 24/7. I am done with Republican and Democratic scare tactics. No government wants a armed mob whether they say so or not.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:19:18 AM EDT
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No vote is ever wasted. The comment made by Chuck is irrelevant and ignorant. It will take time and maybe your third party canidate will not win the election this year but your voice is being heard. I will be with you in voting Libertarian this year. The party has been steadily gaining popularity. I don't know about you but I am ready for some government with some common sense. Both parties (Rep and Dem) have been steadily taken your individual rights away. Republicans are pro gun this and that. They are also signing bills and laws to keep you under surveillance 24/7. I am done with Republican and Democratic scare tactics. No government wants a armed mob whether they say so or not.


If you are serious about getting better candidates, the time to do that was in the primaries.
Next primary season is our next opportunity to start purging the RINOs

If you vote third party, your voice will be heard all right but not in the way that you think.
The reality is that there are only two viable candidates for governor this election(Democrat and Republican) and like most of us here, I am not fond of either party.

If you understand what this election is all about,  
The only question being answered this election is do we want more socialist, tax and spend, liberal, big government,  or not.  

If you like socialist, liberal, tax and spend, big government,  vote for anybody but the Republican.
If you really want to send a message for change, vote for the Republican (except for DeSwine).

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:45:53 AM EDT
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" Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of Liberty is a history of resistance. "
Woodrow Wilson.


" Keep voting like sheep and you shall be herded and slaughtered." (moeller2917) 10/26/10
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:06:06 AM EDT
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No vote is ever wasted. The comment made by Chuck is irrelevant and ignorant. It will take time and maybe your third party canidate will not win the election this year but your voice is being heard. I will be with you in voting Libertarian this year. The party has been steadily gaining popularity. I don't know about you but I am ready for some government with some common sense. Both parties (Rep and Dem) have been steadily taken your individual rights away. Republicans are pro gun this and that. They are also signing bills and laws to keep you under surveillance 24/7. I am done with Republican and Democratic scare tactics. No government wants a armed mob whether they say so or not.


If you are serious about getting better candidates, the time to do that was in the primaries.
Next primary season is our next opportunity to start purging the RINOs

If you vote third party, your voice will be heard all right but not in the way that you think.
The reality is that there are only two viable candidates for governor this election(Democrat and Republican) and like most of us here, I am not fond of either party.

If you understand what this election is all about,  
The only question being answered this election is do we want more socialist, tax and spend, liberal, big government,  or not.  

If you like socialist, liberal, tax and spend, big government,  vote for anybody but the Republican.
If you really want to send a message for change, vote for the Republican (except for DeSwine).



I hear this argument to not vote for a 3rd party candidate for years now.  I've held my nose and toted the party line - no more!  I'm done with it - both Dem & Rep. are taking us to the same place.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:50:41 AM EDT
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[I hear this argument to not vote for a 3rd party candidate for years now.  I've held my nose and toted the party line - no more!  I'm done with it - both Dem & Rep. are taking us to the same place.


A lot us are fed up with both parties.  What do you think the tea parties are all about?  
Nobody is thrillled about our choices in Ohio this time around but we a choice between terrible and not so good and we can't change our choices until next election cycle.

The only message politicians understand is who gets elected and what did they stand for.
Whoever gets elected, you will encourage more poliiticians of all parties to be more like them.

While your intentions are noble, If Strickland wins, the result created will be just the opposite of the effect you are trying to have.  


Link Posted: 10/26/2010 3:28:09 PM EDT
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Yes the tea parties are all about fire and brimstone smaller government and less corruption. What better time to vote 3rd party. If the other guy wins we keep the momentum and show republicans they have to pass our litmus test. Were not going to settle and at least if the dem wins he is pro gun. Let him be responsable for another term of high unemployment.

Now is the time to make some noise.


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[I hear this argument to not vote for a 3rd party candidate for years now.  I've held my nose and toted the party line - no more!  I'm done with it - both Dem & Rep. are taking us to the same place.


A lot us are fed up with both parties.  What do you think the tea parties are all about?  
Nobody is thrillled about our choices in Ohio this time around but we a choice between terrible and not so good and we can't change our choices until next election cycle.

The only message politicians understand is who gets elected and what did they stand for.
Whoever gets elected, you will encourage more poliiticians of all parties to be more like them.

While your intentions are noble, If Strickland wins, the result created will be just the opposite of the effect you are trying to have.  






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Link Posted: 10/26/2010 3:31:40 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/26/2010 5:48:47 PM EDT
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this election is not the best time to be "going rogue" and voting 3rd party.  this election is about voting for what "party" will "control" stuff, lots of stuff.  

at the federal level, this election is about stopping the great divider and his hard leftist agenda - this is plain english folks!

at the state level, this election is about what "party" you want to have the upper hand in drawing up new districts for state and congressional elections for the next 10 yrs..  

voting 3rd party is great for county commissioner, ...not so much for governor, senator, etc, especially this year!  the tea party has proven how you can weed out bad blood in the R party through the primary process - that is the best tool we have right now...  

stopping imam obama and the hard left rat party is today's mission - we must send a strong message, ...have you heard imam obama's divisive and insulting rhetoric lately?  he has no intention of letting up - he must be stopped!  
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:15:13 PM EDT
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this election is not the best time to be "going rogue" and voting 3rd party.  this election is about voting for what "party" will "control" stuff, lots of stuff.  

at the federal level, this election is about stopping the great divider and his hard leftist agenda - this is plain english folks!

at the state level, this election is about what "party" you want to have the upper hand in drawing up new districts for state and congressional elections for the next 10 yrs..  

voting 3rd party is great for county commissioner, ...not so much for governor, senator, etc, especially this year!  the tea party has proven how you can weed out bad blood in the R party through the primary process - that is the best tool we have right now...  

stopping imam obama and the hard left rat party is today's mission - we must send a strong message, ...have you heard imam obama's divisive and insulting rhetoric lately?  he has no intention of letting up - he must be stopped!  


I might be mistaken. probably am.. but arent you supporting Strickland?
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 6:59:07 PM EDT
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this election is not the best time to be "going rogue" and voting 3rd party.  this election is about voting for what "party" will "control" stuff, lots of stuff.  

at the federal level, this election is about stopping the great divider and his hard leftist agenda - this is plain english folks!

at the state level, this election is about what "party" you want to have the upper hand in drawing up new districts for state and congressional elections for the next 10 yrs..  

voting 3rd party is great for county commissioner, ...not so much for governor, senator, etc, especially this year!  the tea party has proven how you can weed out bad blood in the R party through the primary process - that is the best tool we have right now...  

stopping imam obama and the hard left rat party is today's mission - we must send a strong message, ...have you heard imam obama's divisive and insulting rhetoric lately?  he has no intention of letting up - he must be stopped!  


I might be mistaken. probably am.. but arent you supporting Strickland?


negatory.  and i've even been pretty vocal about it here...
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 7:15:13 PM EDT
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I agree that there are few great or solidly conservative choices in this election in either the Republican or Democratic parties within Ohio.  However, I am looking at each candidate this year based on how much more or less progressive they are compared to their competitor and whether or not they've sustained a budget or ever created a job(s).
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 7:20:40 PM EDT
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this election is not the best time to be "going rogue" and voting 3rd party.  this election is about voting for what "party" will "control" stuff, lots of stuff.  

at the federal level, this election is about stopping the great divider and his hard leftist agenda - this is plain english folks!

at the state level, this election is about what "party" you want to have the upper hand in drawing up new districts for state and congressional elections for the next 10 yrs..  

voting 3rd party is great for county commissioner, ...not so much for governor, senator, etc, especially this year!  the tea party has proven how you can weed out bad blood in the R party through the primary process - that is the best tool we have right now...  

stopping imam obama and the hard left rat party is today's mission - we must send a strong message, ...have you heard imam obama's divisive and insulting rhetoric lately?  he has no intention of letting up - he must be stopped!  


I might be mistaken. probably am.. but arent you supporting Strickland?


negatory.  and i've even been pretty vocal about it here...


I coulda swore theres a pretty prominent Ohio HTF guy behind Strickland just because of the 2A. I agree with your statement in your previous post tho.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 7:47:42 PM EDT
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What better time to vote 3rd party. If the other guy wins we keep the momentum and show republicans they have to pass our litmus test. Were not going to settle.....

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Right now Democrats are walking all over us, they don't listen to the people or even give a crap about our opinion.  

If Strickland gets re-elected, the message all politicians will get is we like this and/or the majority of people are too stupid to know we are being screwed.
If you think there is any other message being sent this election, you are sadly mistaken.

This election is all about telling all politicians that they are still accountable to the people and only by defeating them will that message be sent.  

A vote for a third party is a vote for a Democrat.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 4:56:15 AM EDT
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"Divide and Conquer", really applies here. You vote for a third party for Governor instead and holding your nose and voting for Kasich and we pretty much fcuk ourselves without the Dems lifting a finger.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:19:27 AM EDT
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vote for whoever you believe represents your views, it's your vote, not a collective vote, so why even ask for a concense about it. .

fuck what the naysayers say about the a "vote for X  is a vote for the democrats" that is a assine view, it ranks down there with "not voting is a vote for a democrat"
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:54:14 AM EDT
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The problem I have with third (or eventually fourth or fifth) parties is that if they become viable it will inevitably lead to a situation where it is possible to win the election with a smaller percentage of the vote.  Look at Germany where candidates regularly win with percentages in the 30's, that's not ideal either.  I think that this is what our primaries are meant to address. They essentially gather candidates representing ideas from all sides of the party's philosophy for an initial election in order to see who best represents the overall mood of the party as at that time.  While I do not question the sincerity, intelligence, or patriotism of those who vote third party I do think that they ultimately hurt their own best interests.  No offense to anyone, just my point of view and YMMV...
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