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Posted: 8/12/2005 8:12:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2005 6:58:10 PM EDT by tfod]
Ameetec

American Spirit Arms

Apache Junction Imports

Arizona Expert Arms

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa )

Arizona Tactical (Tempe)

Bear Arms (Scottsdale)

Bear Mountain (Mesa)

Big Bore

Cavalry Arms Corporation

Dimondback Tactical

Glockmeister

Guns Etc.

Guns Plus (Surprise)

J+G

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson)

Lone Wolf Guns

MCLTD

Mesa Gun Shop

Murphy's

Pistol Parlor

Prebans

Randalls

­Robar Company

Scottsdale Gun Club

Scottsdale Gun Center

Shooters World

Shooting Star

Sportsman's Warehouse

Wal-mart



Okay, the nominations are in and have been compiled. Score the stores.

-2 terrible
-1 bad
-0 neutral –or unknown, “I haven’t been to that store”
+1 good
+2 excellent

All –2 and +2 votes will require a brief explanation of the rational for the extreme vote at the end of the post, for example:

Guns & Bras (Mesa) +2 Guns & Bras only hires hooters girls and have $5 dollar ffl transfers.

Uber Tactical (Higley) +1

Please cut and paste the nomination list because it will make adding up the scores easier. The scores will be public.

When it is over, I’ll add a poll for the top 5 if it is close.


Link Posted: 8/12/2005 8:33:29 PM EDT
+2 MCTLTD Only two places I do business with locally
+2 Mesa Gun Shop Only two places I do business with locally

Link Posted: 8/12/2005 9:31:11 PM EDT
Ameetec

American Spirit Arms

Apache Junction Imports

Arizona Expert Arms

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa )

Arizona Tactical (Tempe) +1 for their nice gear selection and pleasant staff

Bear Arms (Scottsdale)

Bear Mountain (Mesa)

Big Bore

Cavalry Arms Corporation

Dimondback Tactical

Glockmeister -1 He has a sign on the door barring people from carrying in his store. WTF?!

Guns Etc.

Guns Plus (Surprise)

J+G

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson)

Lone Wolf Guns

MCLTD

Mesa Gun Shop

Murphy's

Pistol Parlor

Prebans

Randalls

­Robar Company

Scottsdale Gun Club -1 for their Abercrombie & Fitch staff and highest prices in the valley. Without Terry, the place has gone to the dogs.

Scottsdale Gun Center +2 for having the best prices in the valley on Glocks

Shooters World +1 for their nice staff

Shooting Star

Wal-mart -2 because of their unnecessary background checks on long guns
Link Posted: 8/12/2005 10:09:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2005 10:09:50 PM EDT by Crzy_One]
Ameetec

American Spirit Arms

Apache Junction Imports

Arizona Expert Arms

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa )

Arizona Tactical (Tempe)

Bear Arms (Scottsdale)

Bear Mountain (Mesa)

Big Bore

Cavalry Arms Corporation

Dimondback Tactical

Glockmeister

Guns Etc.

Guns Plus (Surprise)

J+G

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson)

Lone Wolf Guns +2 Friendly staff including hot chick , and good selection/prices

MCLTD

Mesa Gun Shop

Murphy's

Pistol Parlor

Prebans

Randalls(Glendal­e?)+1 Good staff, blazer .22lr

Robar Company

Scottsdale Gun Club +1 coolest selection, helpful(sometimes too helpful) staff

Scottsdale Gun Center

Shooters World(Phoenix)+2 Friendly staff and good selection

Shooting Star(Tempe) +1 Friendly staff, not 2 since they dont have good selection

Wal-mart
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 4:53:15 AM EDT
Ameetec - Never been

American Spirit Arms - HUGE -2 (if anyone doesn't know what they did to me you are new here)

Apache Junction Imports - never been

Arizona Expert Arms - never been

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa ) - never been

Arizona Tactical (Tempe) - never been

Bear Arms (Scottsdale) - +1

Bear Mountain (Mesa) - never been

Big Bore - +2 (does my C3 transfers and my shooting buddy)

Cavalry Arms Corporation - I know these guys (and like them) and have been for a party but I have never been there as a customer so I can't rate the store. My bad.

Dimondback Tactical - never been

Glockmeister - never been

Guns Etc. - never been

Guns Plus (Surprise) - never been

J+G - +0 they are OK for buying bulk. Not real friendly but I didn't try either.

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson) - never been

Lone Wolf Guns - +0 went once and it was OK

MCLTD - never been

Mesa Gun Shop - never been

Murphy's - never been

Pistol Parlor - never been

Prebans - never been

Randalls - never been

Robar Company - never been

Scottsdale Gun Club - +1. This is actually a fantastic sho. I know the owners well having shopped since they first opened as Armory. They always treat me right. Have done some C3 transfers. Everything they have ever suggested or sold me was top quality. Only price prevents them from being a +2. But, I would send a new shooter there rather than some other stores. They might spend more but they are less likely to buy a mistake.

Scottsdale Gun Center - never been (where is this?)

Shooters World - +0

Shooting Star - never been

Wal-mart - never been for GUN stuff.


Link Posted: 8/13/2005 5:29:25 AM EDT
Arizona Tactical Firearms, Tempe +2

MCTLTD +2


azski
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 9:48:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 9:51:01 AM EDT by AZGunnut]

Originally Posted By tfod:
Ameetec

American Spirit Arms

Apache Junction Imports

Arizona Expert Arms

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa )

Arizona Tactical (Tempe)

Bear Arms (Scottsdale)

Bear Mountain (Mesa)

Big Bore

Cavalry Arms Corporation

Dimondback Tactical

Glockmeister

Guns Etc.

Guns Plus (Surprise) +2 Always pleasant and goes out of their way for you

J+G -1

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson)

Lone Wolf Guns +1

MCLTD

Mesa Gun Shop

Murphy's

Pistol Parlor

Prebans

Randalls

­Robar Company

Scottsdale Gun Club

Scottsdale Gun Center

Shooters World +2 has always been very helpful and polite

Shooting Star

Wal-mart +1



Okay, the nominations are in and have been compiled. Score the stores.

-2 terrible
-1 bad
-0 neutral –or unknown, “I haven’t been to that store”
+1 good
+2 excellent

All –2 and +2 votes will require a brief explanation of the rational for the extreme vote at the end of the post, for example:

Guns & Bras (Mesa) +2 Guns & Bras only hires hooters girls and have $5 dollar ffl transfers.

Uber Tactical (Higley) +1

Please cut and paste the nomination list because it will make adding up the scores easier. The scores will be public.

When it is over, I’ll add a poll for the top 5 if it is close.



Link Posted: 8/13/2005 10:12:01 AM EDT
Ameetec +2 for parts availability

American Spirit Arms No comment

Apache Junction Imports +1 for oddball stuff and a good source of AK stuff

Arizona Expert Arms +2 best builder in the State (perhaps USA)

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa ) -1 Overpriced

Arizona Tactical (Tempe) 0

Bear Arms (Scottsdale) +2 good people, selection, prices

Bear Mountain (Mesa) -1 Used to be OK till they went fishing

Big Bore 0

Cavalry Arms Corporation +2 great product, and true promoters of the sport

Dimondback Tactical 0

Glockmeister 0

Guns Etc. +1

Guns Plus (Surprise) 0

J+G -1, they used to be great, but now mediocre and PITA w/paperwork

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson) 0

Lone Wolf Guns 0

MCLTD 0

Mesa Gun Shop 0

Murphy's 0

Pistol Parlor +2 great selection including a expanding line of AR gear

Prebans 0

Randalls 0

Robar Company 0

Scottsdale Gun Club +1 good glock prices

Scottsdale Gun Center 0

Shooters World 0

Shooting Star 0

Wal-mart 0 just neutral on them, Winchester white box saves them from a -1.
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 11:55:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wal-mart -2 because of their unnecessary background checks on long guns



huh?
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 12:15:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 12:18:18 PM EDT by Maggoteer]
Ameetec +1

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa ) -1

Bear Mountain (Mesa) -1

Glockmeister +2 (great service and lowest ffl's in mesa - lowest price i've seen on glocks)

Pistol Parlor +1

Wal-mart -0
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 1:35:15 PM EDT
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 3:27:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 3:28:35 PM EDT by TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



are you that dumb? you have to do a background check on ANY firearm purchased from an FFL.
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 3:30:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



I don't know what it's like back in the 80's where you are living, but every firearm needs a background check nowadays.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 5:12:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2005 5:12:52 AM EDT by hobbs5624]
Ameetec

American Spirit Arms

Apache Junction Imports

Arizona Expert Arms

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa )

Arizona Tactical (Tempe)

Bear Arms (Scottsdale)

Bear Mountain (Mesa)

Big Bore

Cavalry Arms Corporation

Dimondback Tactical

Glockmeister

Guns Etc.

Guns Plus (Surprise)

J+G

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson)

Lone Wolf Guns

MCLTD

Mesa Gun Shop

Murphy's

Pistol Parlor

Prebans

Randalls

­Robar Company -2
Scottsdale Gun Club

Scottsdale Gun Center

Shooters World

Shooting Star

Wal-mart



Where do I start on how bad ROBAR sucks? I know they have a stellar reputation, but I, and several other's I know, have been screwed by them. They area big operation, and I post this only to illustrate that even the people who get the great write up in the mags can screw you.

The first problem was a duty gun (Glock) that I wanted a grip reduction on. I specified and paid for removal of the finger grooves. It was estimated to take 6 weeks. It took 12, by which time I just wanted my gun back. When I pointed out that they did not do the reduction on the front, the desk lady lied to my face, saying they did, and that they don't completely remove the finger grooves. When I asked for a refund of that portion of the reduction, she said that they could not do it, since they performed the reduction. She said they would be happy to further reduce it at no charge, but it would be another 12 weeks. I took my gun and left, like an idiot.

The next time I had a problem, I took a duty weapon in there for NP3. I carried it on my body without a holster while working undercover, and though blued, it did not rust. They estimated 6 weeks. After 5 months, I started calling. The female desk person (red head, name escapes me), said she would look into it. I never got return calls, and each time I called, she said she would have someone call me back right away. I called at least a dozen times, got the run around for weeks, and when I finally got my gun back, I found out that they plated the gun without removing the front tritium sight. They had to wait for a custom one to made, and did not tell me. To make it worse, the gun was heavily rusted in two days. I was told that it was my body chemistry, and that they could do nothing for me. I called bullsh*t on that, and asked that they either re-do the gun, or strip it. They said they would do either at original cost.

My friend took in a custom 1911 that I built for him. He had it Roguarded and NP3ed, and when he got it back, there were a few bubbles in it. They also Roguarded parts that were supposed to be NP3ed. He was displeased, wondering how they would have let it out of the shop like this. Robbie Barkmann inspects it, and insures it will be done right. He gets it back, and the Roguard rubs off the slide edges after he inserts it once and removes it from a new Galco leather holster. He was told this was normal wear, outside of the warranty.

An aquaintance send in his HK P7M13 for Roguard. He gets it back, and it does not function. It won't even cock. He takes it to a smith since he no longer trusts Robar. He finds out that the coating is so thick on the internals that the gun will not cock.

I have more stories, but all I can say is this. If you have a problem with a company, it's how they handle it that makes all the difference in the world. Robar does not handle it's mistakes very well.


Link Posted: 8/14/2005 8:08:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



are you that dumb? you have to do a background check on ANY firearm purchased from an FFL.



What's this?

They EXCEED federal guidelines. If you can't comprehend the article on wal-mart's site, I guess you're the one that is THAT DUMB.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 11:00:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



are you that dumb? you have to do a background check on ANY firearm purchased from an FFL.



What's this?

They EXCEED federal guidelines. If you can't comprehend the article on wal-mart's site, I guess you're the one that is THAT DUMB.



Lennster, I guess I'm that dumb. Can you clarify this for me. I read that Walmart link. I also read your first post saying:

Wal-mart -2 because of their unnecessary background checks on long guns


Are you saying that WalMart does not need to do background checks on long guns period, or are you pointing out their policy of holding onto guns when they do not get a 3 business day resolution on a NICS delay? If it's the former, TheRedHorseman has it correct by stating that all FFL holders must do a NICS check on all guns, whether handgun or long gun.

As far as WalMarts policy of holding a gun when there is no resolution after 3 business days, I would be willing to bet that almost every FFL holder in this town would do the same. It's really up to the discretion of the FFL holder. Check out this link on the FBIs website:

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsdelay.htm

Anyway, I'm just posting this to get clarification, since it's getting confusing already. There's more info regarding NICS at this link:

www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:29:47 PM EDT
As far as I read it Walmart apparently exceeds Federal guidelines in that they will not complete a gun sale if the NICS background check is not yet affirmed and 3 days has passed. Apparenty, if they take over 3 days to answer the store can legally sell the gun but Walmart chooses to wait until they get aq response even if it takes over 3 days.

I think that us it.

This is a far cry from "unnecessary background checks on long guns" as originally stated. It is however a corporate position that exceeds federal guidelines.

Jimmy is now stepping out of the line of fire to allow our regularly scheduled mudslinging to continue.


Link Posted: 8/14/2005 2:02:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2005 2:04:32 PM EDT by mjrowley]
Ameetec +2 A GREAT PLACE TO BUY LOWERS AND HAVE THAT CUSTOM AR15 BUILT. ALSO A VERY GOOD GUN SMITH ON BOARD THERE.

American Spirit Arms 0

Apache Junction Imports 0

Arizona Expert Arms +2, GREAT GUY TO HAVE WORK ON YOUR ARMS

Arizona Sportsman (Mesa ) 0

Arizona Tactical (Tempe) +2 FUN PLACE TO TALK ABOUT ALL THINGS GUNS, NEED TO STOP BY SOON.

Bear Arms (Scottsdale) 0

Bear Mountain (Mesa) 0

Big Bore 0

Cavalry Arms Corporation +2 WHILE THESE GUYS DON'T SELL TO THE PUBLIC, GREAT PLACE TO STOP BY AND CHAT WITH. JUST CALL FIRST.

Diamondback Tactical 0

Glockmeister 0

Guns Etc. 0

Guns Plus (Surprise) 0, NEED TO STOP BY SOME TIME

J+G +2 JUST FOR AMMO

J-Mart (Arizona Sportsman Tucson) 0

Lone Wolf Guns 0

MCLTD +3 I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT WHY DO YOU NEED BRICK AND MORTAR STORE'S WHEN YOU HAVE MIKE? HE IS A GUY THAT WILL GO WAY OUT OF YOUR WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS. HE HAS EVEN WORKED OVER GUNS OF MINE I DID NOT BUY FROM HIM. HE IS JUST A GREAT GUY. HE WON'T BULLSHIT YOU EITHER. I TRUST HIM LIKE A BROTHER. ALSO A CLASS 3 DEALER

Mesa Gun Shop 0 BEEN MANY TIMES NEVER HAVE BOUGHT ANYTHING FROM THEM.

Murphy's 0

Pistol Parlor +1, THEY STOCK AR PARTS NOW!

Prebans +2 ANOTHER PRIVATE DEALER, I DON'T KNOW MIKE K. AS WELL AS THE OTHER MIKE ON HERE. HE SEEMS LIKE A HONEST, AND STRAIGHT SHOOTER THO. I HAVE TRUST IN HIM AS WELL. ALSO A CLASS 3 DEALER.

Randalls 0

Robar Company 0

Scottsdale Gun Club 0

Scottsdale Gun Center 0

Shooters World 0

Shooting Star 0

Wal-mart +1 GOOD FOR A QUICK AMMO FIX

WHY ISN'T SPORTSMAN'S WAREHOUSE ON HERE? IT GETS A +2 FOR AMMO AND THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE GUNS THAT YOU WANT MCTLTD, OR PREBANS TO ORDER FOR YOU.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 8:04:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



are you that dumb? you have to do a background check on ANY firearm purchased from an FFL.



What's this?

They EXCEED federal guidelines. If you can't comprehend the article on wal-mart's site, I guess you're the one that is THAT DUMB.


"Revision to Gun Policy - June 2002. In June 2002, Wal-Mart made the voluntary decision not to make a gun sale to anyone until we receive an approved background check from the National Instant Check System (NICS), even if the approval process lasts longer than three business days. Currently, gun retailers can legally make a gun sale without NICS approval, if that approval is still pending after three business days. "

No you are just as stupid as Wal-Mart is...

A non call-back from NICS after 3 days is a yes answer from them. Wal Mart is so freaking arrogant and stupid they think they are owed a call back. You just keep drinking that Wal Mart Kool - Aid and buy your guns from them.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 9:24:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjrowley:

Originally Posted By Lennster:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Lennster:
Wally World requires a background check on long guns - exceding the federal guidelines. I'm sure they're doing it for our own good...



are you that dumb? you have to do a background check on ANY firearm purchased from an FFL.



What's this?

They EXCEED federal guidelines. If you can't comprehend the article on wal-mart's site, I guess you're the one that is THAT DUMB.


"Revision to Gun Policy - June 2002. In June 2002, Wal-Mart made the voluntary decision not to make a gun sale to anyone until we receive an approved background check from the National Instant Check System (NICS), even if the approval process lasts longer than three business days. Currently, gun retailers can legally make a gun sale without NICS approval, if that approval is still pending after three business days. "

No you are just as stupid as Wal-Mart is...

A non call-back from NICS after 3 days is a yes answer from them. Wal Mart is so freaking arrogant and stupid they think they are owed a call back. You just keep drinking that Wal Mart Kool - Aid and buy your guns from them.



Is their Kool-Aid made in China or the USA?
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