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Posted: 4/11/2007 6:37:38 AM EDT
wow I'd be PISSED......  

And if the perps got the name and info form the Roanoke list, I'd probably be reporter-cidal.





WTOL Channel 11 News, Ohio

Thieves Burglarize Home, Take High-Powered Automatic Weapons

March 28, 2007 06:12 AM EDT

SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP -- An unusual gun theft in Springfield Township Tuesday
morning is leaving local police on edge. Detectives say thieves stole two
high-powered automatic weapons that were meant for war and can cause a lot
of destruction, reports News 11's Lisa Rantala.

Most gun thefts involve rifles, shotguns, handguns. But in this case, the
machine gun makes an AK-47 look like a BB gun, says the gun's owner.

Now deputies want the weapons off the street, fearing where, and with whom,
they'll end up.

"It's for killing enemy personnel. The bigger the boom, the bigger the
wound," said the gun owner about the stolen guns. And for this local gun
owner, the M-60 was a prize in his collection.

He says it can shoot through homes, cars and up to 850 bullets in a minute.
It took him eight months to obtain federal approval for the weapon, and he
kept it in mint condition to increase its value.

"They're awesome weapons. They're war things, relics, trophies," the gun
owner said.

At 2 a.m. Tuesday, he noticed the guns were gone. His apartment and trophy
case had both been broken into.

"He came home and found his back door kicked in and had a gun safe that had
been pried open," said Lucas County Detective Mark Woodruff.

"I'm worried for the police officers out on the street right now because if
real psychos get ahold of these things..." the gun owner worried.

Along with the M-60, the thieves took his automatic Uzi with a silencer.
"They'll probably be traded for drug money. So, you don't know who's going
to end up with them," Detective Woodruff said.

Police are asking for your help to get these dangerous weapons off the
streets. If you have any information about the theft, please call Crime
Stopper at 419-255-1111. Or give detectives at the Lucas County Sheriff's
Office a call at 419-213-4917.





Did the journalist loophole cause full auto firearms theft?

Written by Jeff Garvas

Wednesday, 28 March 2007

The extremely rare Class 3 license allows an individual to possess fully
automatic firearms and is usually sought by collectors. To obtain a Class 3
license you must supply the BATFE with two photos that are kept on file, pay
a $200 tax for the mere privilege per firearm, and have your local law
enforcement sign off their permission of you possessing such a firearm.

One individual in Springfield Township went through the process of becoming
a lawful owner of an M-60 machine gun only to have it stolen by burglars who
clearly targeted him.

Did the news media's facination with releasing the names of gun owners, many
who own homes at street addresses readily available via county government
property records websites, cause this second large scale theft of privately
owned firearms in Northwest Ohio?

WTOL in Toledo reported this incident Tuesday night and included the
obligatory full auto video on their website.

"They're awesome weapons. They're war things, relics, trophies," the gun
owner said.

At 2 a.m. Tuesday, he noticed the guns were gone. His apartment and trophy
case had both been broken into.

"He came home and found his back door kicked in and had a gun safe that had
been pried open," said Lucas County Detective Mark Woodruff.

In an impressive move, WTOL-TV in Toledo didn't show the face of the owner,
nor did they identify him beyond "the gun owner" or show where he lives.
Since we don't know who he is, and since the television station didn't
indicate if he had a license to carry a concealed handgun, we can only
assume that someone who went through the process to obtain a Class 3 license
probably would get an Ohio License to carry a concealed handgun.

What we'll likely never know is if the criminals targeted this home knowing
that the occupants owned some kind of firearm due to the name being printed
in a newspaper or on a television news station's website.

OFCC has long argued that there are definitely sophisticated criminals out
there intentionally and purposefully targeting the homes of people whose
names match those on concealed handgun license lists published by those who
exploit the journalist loophole.

The clear solution is to immediately cease the release of any information on
gun owners to anyone outside of law enforcement in the State of Ohio or
"everything must be public records" champions themselves will bear the
responsibility of empowering criminals to steal otherwise lawfully owned
guns and put them on the streets.

In this case, an unknown number of fully automatic firearms are now on the
black market, quite possibly because of the news media's right to
intimidate.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 6:47:00 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
wow I'd be PISSED......  

And if the perps got the name and info form the Roanoke list, I'd probably be reporter-cidal.

Explain to me how a list of Virginia CCW holders would have a Class III person in OHIO on it?
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 6:50:36 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
Quoted:
wow I'd be PISSED......  

And if the perps got the name and info form the Roanoke list, I'd probably be reporter-cidal.

Explain to me how a list of Virginia CCW holders would have a Class III person in OHIO on it?


I think that the second article is highlighting the fact that the record is open in Ohio and that they may have used this info to pick homes to rob.  I didn't see anything else that was stolen, jsut hte guns - so it could be.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 7:45:29 AM EDT
[#3]

"It's for killing enemy personnel. The bigger the boom, the bigger the
wound," said the gun owner about the stolen guns. And for this local gun
owner, the M-60 was a prize in his collection.

He says it can shoot through homes, cars and up to 850 bullets in a minute.
It took him eight months to obtain federal approval for the weapon, and he
kept it in mint condition to increase its value.

"They're awesome weapons. They're war things, relics, trophies," the gun
owner said.


Based on the gun owners moronic comments to reporters, I say he's an idiot. Sorry he had his stuff stolen but Jesus who says stupid stuff like that to reporters.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 8:19:05 AM EDT
[#4]
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"It's for killing enemy personnel. The bigger the boom, the bigger the
wound," said the gun owner about the stolen guns. And for this local gun
owner, the M-60 was a prize in his collection.

He says it can shoot through homes, cars and up to 850 bullets in a minute.
It took him eight months to obtain federal approval for the weapon, and he
kept it in mint condition to increase its value.

"They're awesome weapons. They're war things, relics, trophies," the gun
owner said.


Based on the gun owners moronic comments to reporters, I say he's an idiot. Sorry he had his stuff stolen but Jesus who says stupid stuff like that to reporters.


+1
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 11:02:32 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:

"It's for killing enemy personnel. The bigger the boom, the bigger the
wound," said the gun owner about the stolen guns. And for this local gun
owner, the M-60 was a prize in his collection.

He says it can shoot through homes, cars and up to 850 bullets in a minute.
It took him eight months to obtain federal approval for the weapon, and he
kept it in mint condition to increase its value.

"They're awesome weapons. They're war things, relics, trophies," the gun
owner said.


Based on the gun owners moronic comments to reporters, I say he's an idiot. Sorry he had his stuff stolen but Jesus who says stupid stuff like that to reporters.


+1


+2
I just watch the video. link to news site
Why would you put a 24k?+ rifle into what looks like a $300 home made "safe"
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 12:16:49 PM EDT
[#6]
The Ohio CCW article however, seems to be irresponsible speculation about something that didn't happen. You can't win arguments by saying "see?!" when the facts don't support what you're saying. If every theft of a CHP holder's handgun or a registered gun owner's gun brings cries of "see what happens when you make our names public record" and there's no evidence that the record was actually published or obtained, we'll quickly become Chicken Littles.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 2:15:07 PM EDT
[#7]
WTF.  

Owner is a moron:  Get a real safe.  Get a real house, a real door.  With a great collection there is a great responsibility yo keep it in the hands of its rightful owner.

The press statements (and coverage of his hand, WTF?), were idiotic.  I hope the ATF comes down hard on the perps, but they usually only do that to the ones actually following/or attempting to follow the law
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 6:06:22 PM EDT
[#8]
With that amount of money invested in firearms.....He should have had some in a better safe! Feel bad for the guy, typical poor news coverage of a firearm situation.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 6:11:41 PM EDT
[#9]
Yeah I noticed that safe part too.  But I do suspect that the guns were targetted seeing as nothing else was taken.
Link Posted: 4/11/2007 8:59:42 PM EDT
[#10]
He probably ran around telling people about the stuff he owned.

He seems to be that kind of guy.
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 6:39:00 AM EDT
[#11]
How many people did he show this off to?  Probably anyone who would listen.  Concur about the safe.  If he lives in apartment so be it, but don't buy weapons like that until you can completely secure them.

I am sure the stock footage and the (former) owner's comments are creating quite a scare in the local area.  Do you think they should the firearms to him if they are recovered?  And since when is an M-60 a relic?????

This kind of thing just makes it harder for the rest of us who own firearms.


R/
Mike
VA Beach

Link Posted: 4/17/2007 11:18:50 AM EDT
[#12]
He sound like a . How could he store those in a shitty cracker box safe.

The range footage in the videois from Blackwaters carbine range, damn I love that place.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:13:43 AM EDT
[#13]
I could not believe how he was storing his stuff, IDIOT
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 2:56:03 AM EDT
[#14]
What a jackass not having a heavy duty safe for these guns!
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 3:36:04 AM EDT
[#15]
The former owner is an idiot. We do not need folks like him as our spokesmen.

The second article is poorly written. You do not get a Class 3 license to own a machine gun. You get an excise tax stamp. The Class 3 license is what the Dealer of Title II weapons has. The sheriff doesn't give permission either. It's a courtesey extended by the ATF. If the Sheriff won't sign, the ATF has recommended to me that the buyer form a trust.

Bomber
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 6:38:23 AM EDT
[#16]
He probably sold them for crack.

At any rate, why do you keep an M60 in anything less than a metal gun cabinet that is bolted to the floor or wall.
Link Posted: 4/18/2007 7:16:58 AM EDT
[#17]
Please tell me this idiot did not get them back.......

Link Posted: 4/19/2007 2:39:03 AM EDT
[#18]
And storing them with the bolts in the guns...Dumb ass.
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