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Posted: 7/17/2010 8:33:04 AM EDT
I'm pretty well nailed down on my local elections, St Rep, St Senator & US District Rep but the other seats I just haven't waded through all the propaganda yet.  So whats the take on GHTF on the up coming Primary in the following elections;

US Senator
Isakson
Hadley
Thurmond
Governor
Chappman
Deal
Handel
Johnson
McBerry
Oxedine
Putnam
Baker
Barnes
Bolton
Camon
Mangham
{orter
Poythress
LT Governor
Cagle
McCracken
Porter
Secretary of State
Kemp
MacGinnite
Buckener
Hortacher
Mills
Moore
Sinkfield
Attourney General
Olens
Smith
Wood
Hodges
Tellihet
State School Superintendent
Barge
Woods
Farokhl
Westlake
Commissio0ner of Insurance
Cain
Collum
Harp
Hudgens
Knox
Mamalakis
Northington
Purcell
Sheffield
Squires
Commissioner of Agriculture
Black
Carter
Powell
Commissioner of Labor
Butler
Everson
Coleman
Hicks
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 10:12:29 AM EDT



Originally Posted By 7mm-08:


I'm pretty well nailed down on my local elections, St Rep, St Senator & US District Rep but the other seats I just haven't waded through all the propaganda yet.  So whats the take on GHTF on the up coming Primary in the following elections;



US Senator

Isakson

Hadley

Thurmond

Governor

Chappman

Deal

Handel

Johnson

McBerry

Oxedine

Putnam

Baker

Barnes

Bolton

Camon

Mangham

{orter

Poythress

LT Governor

Cagle

McCracken

Porter

Secretary of State

Kemp

MacGinnite

Buckener

Hortacher

Mills

Moore

Sinkfield

Attourney General

Olens

Smith

Wood

Hodges

Tellihet

State School Superintendent

Barge

Woods

Farokhl

Westlake

Commissio0ner of Insurance

Cain

Collum

Harp

Hudgens

Knox

Mamalakis

Northington

Purcell

Sheffield

Squires

Commissioner of Agriculture

Black

Carter

Powell

Commissioner of Labor

Butler

Everson

Coleman

Hicks



Who I plan on voting for, no idea about the others



 
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 2:58:23 PM EDT
I'm not sure about the Governor's race.  From what I've heard or seen, Karen Handel is either a pro-life conservative or a big-time liar; Deal supposedly had some shady business dealings in which he used his elected position to make lots of money, and Oxendine was supposedly a dishonest lawyer or something. This is just what I've learned recently in political ads, mailings, etc.  I've actually voted for all 3 of them in the past elections, so I'm not trying to sling mud at anyone.  Does anyone have any good credible info on the skeletons in their closets? Pro-life, 2nd Amendment and illegal immigration issues are very important to me. Thanks.
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 3:02:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/17/2010 3:09:27 PM EDT by chadjetlag]
my understanding is that Deal has a lot of ethics issues.  a quick google search

I will put an F ing democrat in office before I will vote for someone this obviously corrupt.

Oxendine says he is a friend of guns and hunting but hasn't completed a hunter safety course, sooo probably just lip service.
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 3:11:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/17/2010 3:12:05 PM EDT by mikefromphilly]
I can help for some of the down ballot guys.......

Labor - Melvin Everson is a gun guy and was very helpful in the Legislature to GeorgiaCarry.Org. in passing HB89

Attorney General - Preston Smith is progun and helped get gun legislation through the Senate.  He opposed the Republican tax increases of this year and was stripped of his committee chairmanship by Lt.Gov Cagle.   Olens has made comments that he doesn't believe people should carry guns.

Public Service Commission - John Douglas.... he pushed HB89 through the Senate when it was stalled.  He is a gun guy and has fought for our rights.
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 3:28:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By chadjetlag:
my understanding is that Deal has a lot of ethics issues.  a quick google search

I will put an F ing democrat in office before I will vote for someone this obviously corrupt.

Oxendine says he is a friend of guns and hunting but hasn't completed a hunter safety course, sooo probably just lip service.


That was helpful. Thanks. Google is my friend, doh!

Link Posted: 7/17/2010 5:54:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:

Attorney General - Olens has made comments that he doesn't believe people should carry guns..


About HB89, Sam Olen's was quoted in the Marietta Daily Journal saying the expanded CCW rights were "A DANGER TO THE POLICE AND THE PUBLIC AT LARGE"

Olens is a capable administrator, but at heart he's still a New Jersey Democrat who worked on Bill Clinton's campaign. A week after HB89 became law, I was seated next to him and his extended family eating pizza at a local joint. I was CCW a full-sized 45 and failed to notice how I was a danger to him and the public at large.

As far as Oxendine goes––I've been getting these unsigned flyers bashing Karen Handel. I finally found a PO box return address that tracks back to Oxendines camp. I find it slimy––very slimy––that he would pay for these and not acknowledge that his campaign was responsible. He's marked off my list. Handel isn't on my list either, but for other reasons (she equates 2A with hunting )
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 7:10:18 PM EDT
As of right now, I like McBerry for governor... anything I should know about him that I probably don't already?
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 7:18:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:
I can help for some of the down ballot guys.......

Labor - Melvin Everson is a gun guy and was very helpful in the Legislature to GeorgiaCarry.Org. in passing HB89

Attorney General - Preston Smith is progun and helped get gun legislation through the Senate.  He opposed the Republican tax increases of this year and was stripped of his committee chairmanship by Lt.Gov Cagle.   Olens has made comments that he doesn't believe people should carry guns.

Public Service Commission - John Douglas.... he pushed HB89 through the Senate when it was stalled.  He is a gun guy and has fought for our rights.


Yep, I like Melvin.  He has always been very responsive...even taking the time to call us back personally when The Monk and I have left message requesting his support for this or that.  He'll get my vote.  

Link Posted: 7/17/2010 7:33:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/17/2010 7:36:38 PM EDT by greenranger]
Originally Posted By mikey556:
As of right now, I like McBerry for governor... anything I should know about him that I probably don't already?


he has zero chance of winning in november for one.




GR

Link Posted: 7/17/2010 8:09:56 PM EDT
I'm going with Handel for Gov.
Link Posted: 7/17/2010 8:19:13 PM EDT
Can we vote for a low rated democrat in the primary if we are a registered Republican?

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 4:01:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By IndianJoe:
Can we vote for a low rated democrat in the primary if we are a registered Republican?



No.  You have decide between Rep or Dem.   The decision also affects which party you can vote for in the runoff.   If you want to vote in the Rep Runoff, you have to vote Rep.   I believe if you don't vote in the primary, then you can choose either Dem or Rep for the runoff.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:11:37 AM EDT
No point in worrying about the Dem primary.  I don't think there's enough Republicans willing to register as Dems to keep Roy Barnes from winning.  What Republicans need to worry about is who can beat Barnes.  It's going to come down to Oxendine and Handel in a run-off.  Of the two, I prefer Handel, but I think Oxendine has the better chance in the general election.

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Link Posted: 7/18/2010 7:08:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mikey556:
As of right now, I like McBerry for governor... anything I should know about him that I probably don't already?


You mean besides the whole inappropriate relationship with a teenage girl?

Or the fact that he doesn't salute the American flag?

Sorry... I can't vote for a jackass who won't salute the flag I fought for... nevermind its the same flag that his fellow Georgians carried into Afghanistan and died for recently.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 7:14:20 AM EDT
I'm down to Handel or Johnson for governor. Everson for Labor and the rest I have no idea... I'll do some quick research before Tuesday. I will say that if you're in GA-12 the mark it for Ray McKinney. I know Seaver has put out feelers here but her campaign is shi'ite and McKinney did run against Barrow last time. Now that Barrow is primaried by a self described "progressive" (i.e. socialist) who is black and a woman... it'll be interesting to see what happens come November in the general election.

So far though, I haven't see any campaigning by either Thomas or Barrow in Augusta except for the occasional sign. However, on the Republican side McKinney has been very active and is proactive in defining his conservative stance and I personally know he's a gun guy.

Full disclosure, I am a McKinney volunteer (or will be since I just got back from Texas) so for more info see: Ray McKinney for GA-12
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 7:42:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By mikey556:
As of right now, I like McBerry for governor... anything I should know about him that I probably don't already?


You mean besides the whole inappropriate relationship with a teenage girl?

Or the fact that he doesn't salute the American flag?

Sorry... I can't vote for a jackass who won't salute the flag I fought for... nevermind its the same flag that his fellow Georgians carried into Afghanistan and died for recently.


That... I did not know.

Thanks for the info kudzu.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 8:20:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/18/2010 8:20:33 AM EDT by littlejerry]
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
I'm down to Handel or Johnson for governor. Everson for Labor and the rest I have no idea... I'll do some quick research before Tuesday. I will say that if you're in GA-12 the mark it for Ray McKinney. I know Seaver has put out feelers here but her campaign is shi'ite and McKinney did run against Barrow last time. Now that Barrow is primaried by a self described "progressive" (i.e. socialist) who is black and a woman... it'll be interesting to see what happens come November in the general election.

So far though, I haven't see any campaigning by either Thomas or Barrow in Augusta except for the occasional sign. However, on the Republican side McKinney has been very active and is proactive in defining his conservative stance and I personally know he's a gun guy.

Full disclosure, I am a McKinney volunteer (or will be since I just got back from Texas) so for more info see: Ray McKinney for GA-12


Those are my pics for Gov as well.  Johnson hasn't done well in polling though... my main goal is to NOT have Oxendine in the election.  After seeing him in person and talking with him sirens were going off in my head- he's a slimy dishonest guy.   His "platform" is his strategy for election, not his personal convictions.  

While I disagree with Handel on some issues she is an honest person with truly good intentions for the state.  Handel gets my vote.  And she actually has a chance at winning as well.  

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 11:04:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mikey556:
Originally Posted By kudzu630:
Originally Posted By mikey556:
As of right now, I like McBerry for governor... anything I should know about him that I probably don't already?


You mean besides the whole inappropriate relationship with a teenage girl?

Or the fact that he doesn't salute the American flag?

Sorry... I can't vote for a jackass who won't salute the flag I fought for... nevermind its the same flag that his fellow Georgians carried into Afghanistan and died for recently.


That... I did not know.

Thanks for the info kudzu.


Here's the AJC blog about it

Link Posted: 7/18/2010 6:07:18 PM EDT
Handel denied until proved otherwise membership in Gay-Lesbian groups. So stike one, she's a proven to lie.

Strike two and three:
She either joined those groups because she has really has ties to them or just to smooze up to them to get votes. Either reason is enough to prove character to me.

Deal's ethics complaints came about from the Dems......they attacked every Republican they could with similar chages. He wouldn't roll over and vote with them. He's also a strong supporter of Fair Tax. Makes him my clear choice.
Link Posted: 7/18/2010 7:57:09 PM EDT
Johnson probably.

Everson for labor

harp for ins. commissioner

I'll probably close my eyes and vote randomly on the others.

gr
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:21:18 PM EDT
Johnson for gov for sure.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:35:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
Johnson for gov for sure.


Sell me on Johnson.... I have no idea who to vote for Governor.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 2:53:45 PM EDT
Nathan Deal for Governor

Deal's ethics charges were brought by a George Soros-funded group. And ultimately the findings were "we can't really prove he did anything wrong but we can't prove he didn't either". And regarding the Roy Barnes juggernaut, Rasmussen has shown Deal to be the most likely to be able to beat Barnes in the General.

Gerry Purcell for Insurance Commissioner

He's an insurance expert who has saved both companies and other municipalities a ton of money by cutting waste out of their insurance programs and he's got great ideas about how to combat Obamacare.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:45:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:46:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 3:48:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 4:34:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sweep:
Originally Posted By socket70:
Nathan Deal for Governor

Deal's ethics charges were brought by a George Soros-funded group. And ultimately the findings were "we can't really prove he did anything wrong but we can't prove he didn't either".


Do you still beat your wife?

Exactly.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 4:59:30 PM EDT
Received a robocall from the NRA saying they endorsed Preston Smith for AG. I'll be voting for him instead of anti-HB89 Sam Olens. Best of luck in your next career, Sam.

They also endorsed Kemp for SoS.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:48:53 PM EDT
I like the way Ray Mcberry talks, met him at 2 tea party's. His immigration policy....take all the school buses , load them up and drop 1000's of illegals at the white house gates.   BUT There is some inappropriate child stuff going on when he was a teacher....
––––––->  http://swgapolitics.com/index/2010/03/17/breaking-ray-mcberry-fondled-student
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:50:50 PM EDT
US Senator District 12:  Jeanne Seaver is my pick. She is a pro-gun woman, likes supressors and shooting my daughter's AR15.  Lurks here too.    Pro Life and for small government.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 5:54:22 PM EDT
Okay I'm cramming for the primary vote tomorrow and I read this little gem from K Handel's site
"...Karen understands that actual assault weapons are already banned by the 1968 Gun Control Act and that new bans are an attempt to deceive voters into believing that automatic weapons are currently legal. She supports the right of law abiding citizens to carry a concealed weapon and believes that obtaining a carry permit should not be made so onerous as to become a de facto ban on such permits."linky

I'm kinda like of the '68 GCA & of the carry permit.

7mm
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 7:03:38 PM EDT
Handel ain't goona get my vote, and Oxendine is about as slimy as they come...just don't think I could trust him.  The platform Eric has is good, he is a member of GCO (for what it is worth), and he polls well and could beat Barnes put him on the top for me.  Could you imagine the negative attack ads Barnes will have on Oxendine and Handel?  


Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:



Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:

Johnson for gov for sure.




Sell me on Johnson.... I have no idea who to vote for Governor.






 
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 7:03:52 PM EDT
The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.

She will say anything to get elected.
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 7:10:53 PM EDT
...and will give Barnes more than enough ammo to defeat her.


Originally Posted By socket70:


The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.



She will say anything to get elected.






 
Link Posted: 7/19/2010 10:36:06 PM EDT
10 hours from now I will be voting for either Deal or Johnson for Governor.  I probably wont decide to the last minute.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 1:35:58 AM EDT
Good Luck Today - Muddiver!!!!  

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:00:43 AM EDT

   Get off your ass and VOTE, people.

   Otherwise, you have no right to bitch and moan.

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 5:51:31 AM EDT
Well I'm off to check on a customer, drop off a broken flash, lunch & then go vote.
I have my D.L. and cheat sheet w/ over 13 positions to vote for ready to go.  I almost forgot the commission seats up for vote.

Any body here in US Rep Dist. 17?  This is the seat being vacated by Linder.
Cox was my first thought but after reading the propaganda I'm leaning toward Hice.

7mm
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:28:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hightech_redneck:
I like the way Ray Mcberry talks, met him at 2 tea party's. His immigration policy....take all the school buses , load them up and drop 1000's of illegals at the white house gates.   BUT There is some inappropriate child stuff going on when he was a teacher....
––––––->  http://swgapolitics.com/index/2010/03/17/breaking-ray-mcberry-fondled-student


So you too support not saluting the American flag? Thanks...
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:40:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
...and will give Barnes more than enough ammo to defeat her.
Originally Posted By socket70:
The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.

She will say anything to get elected.


 


And how exactly will attending a Gay pride parade give the Democrat ammunition?

I'm sorry but the "Social Conservatism" movement killed the republican party.  The problems Georgia is facing have nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage.

Link Posted: 7/20/2010 4:47:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By socket70:
The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.

She will say anything to get elected.


Two issues that have absolutely ZERO effect on 99% of the people that get so worked up about them.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:05:26 PM EDT
They'll use it by showing how inconsistent she is.  We'll see how it turns out.  So far it looks like she's got the nod unless Deal or Johnson get a few more votes.


Originally Posted By littlejerry:



Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:

...and will give Barnes more than enough ammo to defeat her.


Originally Posted By socket70:

The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.



She will say anything to get elected.




 




And how exactly will attending a Gay pride parade give the Democrat ammunition?



I'm sorry but the "Social Conservatism" movement killed the republican party.  The problems Georgia is facing have nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage.









 
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:11:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
They'll use it by showing how inconsistent she is.  We'll see how it turns out.  So far it looks like she's got the nod unless Deal or Johnson get a few more votes.
Originally Posted By littlejerry:
Originally Posted By 99Tarbox:
...and will give Barnes more than enough ammo to defeat her.
Originally Posted By socket70:
The problem with Handel is you can't believe her. She says she is pro-life but she voted to fund Planned Parenthood with almost $500k of taxpayer dollars when she was Fulton county chairman. She says she is anti-gay marriage, then photos of her marching in a gay pride parade show up.

She will say anything to get elected.


 


And how exactly will attending a Gay pride parade give the Democrat ammunition?

I'm sorry but the "Social Conservatism" movement killed the republican party.  The problems Georgia is facing have nothing to do with abortion or gay marriage.



 


Handel can't win the primary- this will result in a runoff election.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 6:44:37 PM EDT
Sounds good!  For some reason I was focused on the winner take all.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:03:29 PM EDT
My point with Handel is she will say anything to get elected. If she is socially liberal, fiscally conservative she should state that. She doesn't.

And how has the social conservative movement killed the Republican party? To me it's the move away from conservative values (social and fiscal) that have hurt it.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 7:31:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By socket70:
My point with Handel is she will say anything to get elected. If she is socially liberal, fiscally conservative she should state that. She doesn't.

And how has the social conservative movement killed the Republican party? To me it's the move away from conservative values (social and fiscal) that have hurt it.


There was far too much of a focus on social conservative values in place of fiscal conservatism over the past 10 years.  Look at the RINOs- they run on going to church, hating gays, and opposing abortion but don't stand up for real fiscal conservatism.

Like I said before- none of our problems in GA have anything to do with abortion or gay rights.  Our budget, traffic, and water problems won't be solved by banning gay marriage or abortion.  Candidates who waste their breath on useless issues go down a few notches in my book.
Link Posted: 7/20/2010 8:02:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By littlejerry:
Originally Posted By socket70:
My point with Handel is she will say anything to get elected. If she is socially liberal, fiscally conservative she should state that. She doesn't.

And how has the social conservative movement killed the Republican party? To me it's the move away from conservative values (social and fiscal) that have hurt it.


There was far too much of a focus on social conservative values in place of fiscal conservatism over the past 10 years.  Look at the RINOs- they run on going to church, hating gays, and opposing abortion but don't stand up for real fiscal conservatism.

Like I said before- none of our problems in GA have anything to do with abortion or gay rights.  Our budget, traffic, and water problems won't be solved by banning gay marriage or abortion.  Candidates who waste their breath on useless issues go down a few notches in my book.


We're talking about two different things. I don't oppose Handel because she's socially liberal. I oppose her because she's dishonest.

I don't want to hijack a simple voting thread so I'll leave the deeper discussion about values for another thread.
Link Posted: 7/21/2010 8:06:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By socket70:


And how has the social conservative movement killed the Republican party? To me it's the move away from conservative values (social and fiscal) that have hurt it.


I am 30. And I can tell you, in my generation I have run across very few people interested in using the police power of government to force religious morals on other people. I imagine you will find even less people interested in the newer generations. To me, republicans are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet. All you hear about is how "BIG GOVERNMENT" is the root of all evil and how LIMITED GOVERNMENT is the solution. Then out of the other side of their mouth, big government is OK when it comes to controlling a woman's womb, who can marry who, and what people do behind closed doors. When none of these things really matter to ones individual freedoms, or even the problems we all face as whole.

Frankly, I hope republicans keep up their righteous crusade to make everyone follow their beliefs, while preaching small government and spending like democrats. The reason Barrack Hussein Obama got elected is because republicans say one thing and do another, they fumble the ball every time they get a chance. One of these days, all these pathetic efforts by republicans are finally going to lead the way for a real third party (libertarian) candidate to get in office and finally fix things rational people care about.

Link Posted: 7/21/2010 9:26:16 AM EDT


Ok, I'll bite. Let's talk about abortion.

Most pro-choicers justify abortion by saying that a fetus isn't a human being. That's convenient. But when a pregnant mother has a miscarriage does she say "my fetus wasn't viable"? Maybe some. But most would say "I lost my baby". Not to mention the ridiculousness that is the give-and-take pro-choicers go through regarding when it should be ok. 1st trimester, in cases of rape and incest, etc. Ultimately if you believe a mother has a right to terminate her pregnancy she should also have the right to execute her 1 year old. There is no difference.

I submit to you that a society which becomes increasingly callous towards abortion also becomes increasingly callous towards human life in general. I'm not talking about anything "religious" here. I'm talking about the value of human life. Do you think a society is better off when it devalues human life?

You talk about the "problems we have as a whole" and I assume you mean economics, jobs, etc. But do you know why we have these problems? Because we are now dealing with two full generations of Americans that (in no particular order):

  • believe they are entitled to whatever they want, right now

  • have little to no work ethic

  • don't respect or value this country

  • believe that what Lindsey Lohan or the cast from True Blood thinks is what really matters

  • believe debt is the norm


Those are the voters, legislators and leaders of tomorrow. Those are the people that elected Barrack Obama. That, is the "problem we have as a whole".

And for the lighting round:

  1. Social conservatism isn't a movement. It was the norm in both parties in America until about 60 years ago. Social liberalism is the movement that has appeared in both parties, which demonstrates we are moving away from our traditional values.

  2. Barrack Obama got elected because the entire media was in the tank for him and most voters vote based on what the media tells them to do.

  3. Libertarians will never become a viable third party unless they actually take one of their platforms to completion. For example, I'm fine with legalizing drugs as long as we get rid of every single place where I as a taxpayer have to pay to get someone off meth or pay for their hospital bills when they almost kill themselves. Libertarians put the cart before the horse.


Link Posted: 7/21/2010 1:53:58 PM EDT
...

I don't want to hijack a simple voting thread so I'll leave the deeper discussion about values for another thread.



I'm the OP & I ENCOURAGE any debate on the topic a politician says they stand on.

Socket press on...others step up & support the position your politician supports or step back out of the way.  Its gonna be a helluva ride.



7mm
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