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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:28:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2013 7:55:23 PM EDT by esbfan]
I would think that the dirt removal at Wade's should have been handled by a crew experienced in dealing with hazmat....like asbestos removal. Lead poisoning is no joke. Don't want to prejudge but it kind of looks like Wade tried to get the work done "on the cheap" using existing employees with little to no training in dealing with hazardous material.......

https://www.king5.com/news/Gun-range-workers-claim-they-were-poisoned-by-lead-190955341.html

Link Posted: 2/12/2013 10:15:39 PM EDT
Not the kind of publicity the industry needs now, this is too bad.

Sounds like one side claims no training no safety equipment and the other says they had it and didn't use it. I tend to agree that specialists should have been used, but even so- if the owner had knowledge of employees not using safety equipment and he allowed that to continue, it is still wrong, no?
Link Posted: 2/12/2013 11:09:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2013 11:10:18 PM EDT by Tweak]
I needed a HAZWOPR class to work creosote abatement jobs, just to wear a Tyvek suit. If lead abatement is considered HAZMAT it doesn't matter if he did supply PPE and they didn't use it. If they weren't properly trained he's at fault, if they weren't supervised he's at fault and if the lead was handled and disposed of improperly he's at fault.
Link Posted: 2/13/2013 9:27:05 AM EDT
Hope this forces Wade to sell the place to somebody that's at least heard of the word "integrity".
Link Posted: 2/13/2013 10:23:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/13/2013 10:25:08 AM EDT by Gopherboy128]
Originally Posted By Tweak:
I needed a HAZWOPR class to work creosote abatement jobs, just to wear a Tyvek suit. If lead abatement is considered HAZMAT it doesn't matter if he did supply PPE and they didn't use it. If they weren't properly trained he's at fault, if they weren't supervised he's at fault and if the lead was handled and disposed of improperly he's at fault.


Yes, I was just thinking, even with the 40-hour HAZWOPER, still need 8 hours of on-site training, I believe. Sounds to me like he said "Hey go shovel the dirt from point A to point B, heres a mask and gloves" I wouldn't be surprised. If they weren't using required PPE, his only option was to correct the situation then and there- fire 1 guy for not wearing it, the others will take it seriously then.
Link Posted: 2/13/2013 1:51:33 PM EDT
Lead exposure is scary shit. It makes asbestos look safe.

And they had an injury from an ND there recently.
Link Posted: 2/13/2013 2:52:15 PM EDT
Asbestos is really safe, until you start breaking it apart. Lead bleeds into the air and water on its own. Give me asbestos any day.
Link Posted: 2/13/2013 3:21:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tweak:
Asbestos is really safe, until you start breaking it apart. Lead bleeds into the air and water on its own. Give me asbestos any day.


Bingo.

And you have to breathe asbestos. Lead goes in through your pores. Ugh.

I'd shoot lead free if it was the same price.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 10:56:17 AM EDT
It's the supervisors responsibility to provide Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) to their employes.

It's the supervisors responsibility to ensure their employees are properly trained.

It is the supervisors responsibility to ensure their employees have completed and documented HAZMAT / HAZWASTE / HAZCOM training prior to working with the item in question.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:00:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Hope this forces Wade to sell the place to somebody that's at least heard of the word "integrity".

From Wiki-"Integrity is a concept of consistency of actions, values, methods, measures, principles, expectations, and outcomes."


What has he done that makes you draw the conclusion he hasnt even heard the word?


I have known of Wade for as long as I have lived here. He has always been a strong RKBA supporter. A lot of poeple dont like this (prices) or that (cs) about his shop, but I dont recall his character ever being called into question.

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 7:25:37 PM EDT
If what he was doing is considered 'lead abatement' and if it is considered HazMat, and if this kind of HazMat required specialized training, oversight and certification, then he might have some problems.

Why build a case on so many ifs? I'll reserve judgement until more facts are released.
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