I'll say they'll last about 1.5 hours.
I have some cutting edges from a loader at work, they have holes built in them from where they bolt to the loader buckets. They are appx. an inch plus midspan and hardened. The problem is I have no way to make a bracket. I tried to give them to bigscrun today, since Erex indicated he could hook them up, but they both backed out when the rubber hit the road after the show.
If someone wants to make a bolt on kickstand for them, I will take massive pics and send them to you.
If not, I will bring what I have and we can prop them up and fire away. They do fall as you shoot at them, but I can tell you neither .308 nor 5.56 will even phase them one bit.
I'm bringing 10 stands, 1x2's, IDPA targets, tape, and a timer in case we want to do a little compeition shooting.
Any way I could weld something up to them CavVet? I've got a little mig welder, but don't have any scrap metal to make a "kickstand"
You would need the plates to weld to them.
With the holes already in them, I was thinking something that can be done remote, and put on at the shoot.
And as for welding to them, I dont care if you throw them in the Sound. I am bringing them to the shoot, they can stay there for all to shoot at.
My truck is already at GVWR, I hate to even bring these things down. The mechanic pulled two more, appx 5 foot long for us to shoot at. They are really heavy.
I got some 3 foot long wood 2x2s. Think something could be made from those?
Yeah. Something that will barely hold up the little ones, wont hold up the big ones, and will make good toothpicks upon impact.
You have email. Is the msm addy still good???
Yes MSN addy is still good
Originally Posted By CarbineMonoxide:
Sorry this took so long to rewrite, but I have been busy annexing the Sudetenland.
If anyone has info they think should be added or edited, let it be known. This is just my take on how we do things.
The Lewis County Regulars
FREQUENTLY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
THE BIG PICTURE
Current pit is about 180x90 yards flat gravel with good backstop. Plenty of room for parking and camping. No water, no bathrooms, minimal shade, but plenty of trees in area. No soft ground for camping. Campfire always running. You do not need to bring an AR-15 to show up. Guests, dogs, kids and LEOs welcome.
Standard Saturday routine tends to be:
· 9:00 convoy from park and ride at exit 77. Shooting starts in earnest about 10:30. Most early shooting is newbies. Old-timers tend to pace themselves. Generally a cease-fire break for lunch. Resume shooting after lunch (good time for a Mad Minute!) . Shooting tends to be more on-and-off in later afternoon (a good time for experiments/clays/tactical drills). Cease fire break for dinner. More shooting. Night shooting for an hour or so after dark. Poker. Beer. Humor. Debates with CavVet. Stories. Insults. Sleep. Rain. Cold.
Friday night and Sunday routines tend to be unstructured.
If someone pimps you on safety, the best approach is usually: don’t fight it, don’t argue , don’t take it personally---just correct the mistake and learn from it--if you disagree, then comply first and debate later.
You are as much in charge of safety as anyone else is—so it is best to speak up if you see something wrong.
A rope or some sort of marker usually delineates the firing line. If line is not long enough, it is OK to extend to the sides to keep from bunching up. The goal is to keep all the muzzles in line, while keeping the brass on the tarp. Be sure of backstop if shooting cross-pit from far end of line. Pistol area is usually on end of line with targets set up at closer range.
If you are not comfortable operating in an informal range environment, then an easy way to stay safe is to:
· be unloaded when you leave the firing line: magazine out, action open, chamber empty.
· carry long guns muzzle up and place in rifle rack, or place on tarp/ground with muzzle even with firing line pointed downrange.
· carry handguns muzzle down or holstered.
· don’t handle weapons when people are down range
CEASE FIRE/COMMENCE FIRE
We don’t have organized ceasefire times. The following routine seems to be popular:
· Anyone can call cease-fire at any time.
o If there is a problem, call it so everyone hears you.
o If it is just a cease-fire to reset targets, for example, just ask the other shooters calmly if they want to go safe, let folks finish a magazine, etc., and after consensus, call it so everyone hears you.
· When restarting after a break
o Check for folks still downrange
o Call for “Ears On” ” and give people time to get ready
o Call “Range is Hot”
Bump-firing is allowed. Some folks appreciate a heads up before you bump-fire adjacent to them. This gives them a chance to spread out or step back to compensate for the bumpers lack of muzzle-control.
Due to the laws of geometry, a backstop of suitable size for aimed fire may be inadequate for un-aimed bump-fire.
Full-auto is also OK.
Night shooting is an integral part of the experience. Tracers, incendiaries and propane are encouraged. Wax fire-starters or road flares are good for ignition sources.
Usually, no one shoots after drinking alcohol, unless they use common sense while doing so.
Some people get annoyed if you shoot too late at night. If you are not sure what constitutes “too late”, then you can always go ahead and shoot---if people get annoyed, then you were probably shooting too late.
Shooting hours don’t apply to shots of the world’s finest tequila, but they probably should!!
WEAPONS AWAY FROM THE FIRING LINE
It is understood that troubleshooting, cleaning and show-and-tell will be taking place away from the firing line. This is totally acceptable, just like it would be in a gun shop.
EYE AND EAR PROTECTION
Your personal eye and ear protection are your own business.
Since camp is usually very close to the range, most folks appreciate a heads-up to get ears on before shooting starts up after a break.
Be advised that there are usually a few muzzle brakes in use, and they tend to be extremely loud and send some blast laterally.
Hearing protection is recommended anytime the Makers is empty and 1GunRunner starts repeating stories.
· SUGGESTION #1: If you are shooting at a “really cool” target, give everyone a heads up, so they don’t miss the show!
· SUGGESTION #2: Clean up what you shoot
Just because someone organizes a shoot date, it does not mean they are responsible for providing targets. We usually just assume that someone will bring them. There is not normally a traditional paper target frame. Ranges are usually longer than most people are used to plinking at, so keep in mind that the visual effect is lessened – a shook up can of Schlitz Light may be fun at 20 yards, but it is near invisible at 100 yards..
Lists are not all inclusive:
· these usually make good targets – most anything reactive, tannerite, ice bottles, water bottles, cheap beer/soda cans, bowling pins, 4x4 lumber, pumpkins, melons, steel targets, propane cylinders empty or full, clays, balloons, various hard plastic items, tennis balls, softballs, glowsticks, orange bullseye exploders, Dixie Chicks CDs
· these usually make bad targets – anything that is a pain to clean up, glass, electronics (unless it is playing rap music), paper bullseyes (unless you plan on quietly sighting something in), nasty chemicals, conservatives
· OBSERVATION #1 - It really sucks to run out!! You might want to bring more than you think you need.
Reduced capacity magazines are discouraged, but tolerated. It helps to bring a cardboard box or tray to hold your stuff whilst sitting around campfire loading mags.
Pit is not a fire hazard—steel core is OK
Bring a big tarp to catch brass if you can—it makes life so much easier. .22 rimfire are a real pain to pick up if it isn’t on the tarp. The brass all gets mixed and is generally available for the taking—feel free to pick through if you want to save some. Magnets can help for picking up steel cases.
Our goal is to leave the pit and camp clean of targets, brass, steel and trash. Everyone chips in to clean up their fair share, except for those who don’t. If you are leaving early, you can always call a cease fire for cleaning if you haven’t done your share yet.
The Sunday crew has been stuck doing most of the work on several occasions.
You can always volunteer to take out a few bags of trash.
Roads are high quality gravel. You can make it with a normal auto or horse.
It is easy to get lost on way out, especially in dark –get good directions before leaving solo. Contrary to what millions of TV viewers believe…not everybody loves Raymond!!
If parking space will be an issue, someone will usually post about it ahead of time and volunteer as parking-guru-of-the day. If you are bringing a big trailer, for example, they might want to know in advance to ensure they can save you a spot.
FOOD and DRINK
Food and drink are ‘bring your own’. If someone wants to bring treats or organize a BBQ—go for it.
It is recommended that you keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction…..please!!
We are pretty close to Mt Saint Helens. Suggestions: In case of ash-fall --switch to BUIS. In case of lava flow -- duck and cover!
If you plan on posting pictures, be advised that some people don’t want their faces on the web.
There always seem to be a few quads showing up. Poker is pretty popular. Haven’t seen any guitars yet.
THINGS THAT FORTUNATELY SEEM TO ALWAYS SHOW UP, BUT ARE NICE TO VERIFY AHEAD OF TIME
Friday night arriver to claim the pit
Saturday escort for park and ride rendezvous
Overhead tarp for social area
Overhead canopy or tarp for rifle rack
Large tarp(s) for brass
First aid kits
THINGS THAT SOMEONE HOPEFULLY BRINGS
Tables for range or camp
Water for dousing fire on last morning
Rope for firing line
Extra Tarps for brass
Additional Canopies for rain wind
Garbage bags/boxes/buckets for trash/brass
While not an official policy, we at LCR celebrate diversity. We don’t discriminate based on action, brand, caliber, barrel length, stock color or national origin of manufacture. We even tolerate Oregonians and Coast Guardsmen, but we don’t like to talk about it. We do sort of draw the line at the U.N. though.
Tannerite can set off car alarms. Car alarms have been known to disturb deer and other wildlife.
Party-types….be aware that there are children present. Some discretion is advised.
Parents…..be aware that there are party-types present. You can always move your kids away if campfire behavior surpasses your threshold.
No rules will prevent bad behavior or language. If someone gets out of control—someone else usually sets them straight.
While we don’t have any actual rules against them, illegal drugs and illegal firearms have not shown up at the shoot.
Is this a future LCR target
I can swing by and you can do some welding or something, but there will be no whipping anything out.
I will need to know where I am going.
Your porn watching proclamation set the mood for the rest of the weekend.
IOW, its all your fault, Eve.
But I didn't even EAT the apple, I just dared Adam to do it.... If I told you to jump off a bridge would you? Chicks and democrats, we are the fall guys for everything
oh wait, I did eat the apple, but I wasn't there when God told Adam not to. And Adam never told me. He just saw me get the apple and eat it, then he did..... bastard