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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:34:36 PM EST
I have a valid Utah CCW that I obtained before moving to Texas. I have registered my vehicle and applied for a Texas license (in the mail). Does this force me to take a Texas CHL class and get a license specifically for this state even though Utah and Texas are reciprocal?
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I have a valid Utah CCW that I obtained before moving to Texas. I have registered my vehicle and applied for a Texas license (in the mail). Does this force me to take a Texas CHL class and get a license specifically for this state even though Utah and Texas are reciprocal? I moved from Arizona with my AZ CCW and was told by the DPS that the AZ license is valid here. |
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Your Utah CFP is valid here, as is mine. You'll still want to get a Texas CHL, when you buy a gun the dealer just puts your CHL number on the 4473 and no background check is required.
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Your Utah CFP is valid here, as is mine. You'll still want to get a Texas CHL, when you buy a gun the dealer just puts your CHL number on the 4473 and no background check is required. This +1. It is also a good idea to become familiar with the gun laws here, and taking a TX CHL class is a good way to do that. Plus there is always a small chance that having a TX CHL may avoid the possibility of running into hassles with an LEO who doesn't understand how reciprocity works. Hopefully those are few and far between, but you never know. |
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Thats what I thought. Just had a run in with a misinformed individual telling me otherwise and had to check.
Since I will only be hear for a year (11 months now) the wait time and fees for the TX CHL seem needless to me. I will just use my Utah and go about my way as an upstanding citizen. Thanks! |
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If you are not going to get a TX CHL at least go over txinvestigator's review of TX weapons laws HERE
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Have you passed the Texas Residency test yet? Dude, do we really want OP to verify on here that his dick is sufficiently large? ETA: Welcome to Texas OP. |
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If you are not going to get a TX CHL at least go over txinvestigator's review of TX weapons laws HERE Already read that. Thanks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Have you passed the Texas Residency test yet? Dude, do we really want OP to verify on here that his dick is sufficiently large? ETA: Welcome to Texas OP. That's not the test, I'm still here |
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If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address.
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I have a valid Utah CCW that I obtained before moving to Texas. I have registered my vehicle and applied for a Texas license (in the mail). Does this force me to take a Texas CHL class and get a license specifically for this state even though Utah and Texas are reciprocal? Once you move here, rent an apt, buy a house, you live here. GOod nuff |
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Thats what I thought. Just had a run in with a misinformed individual telling me otherwise and had to check. Since I will only be hear for a year (11 months now) the wait time and fees for the TX CHL seem needless to me. I will just use my Utah and go about my way as an upstanding citizen. Thanks! That works too. |
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If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. |
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If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. Wait until renewal time, then you'll really love the Utah CFP (Concealed Firearm Permit). You fill out a form and send that, along with $10 and a new passport photo and that's it! |
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Quoted: Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted: If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. |
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Probably depends drastically on who runs your courses...the Utah course I took was VERY thorough and although most seemed to be common sense and (forgive me for saying) dull...it was useful.
Also, just in case this comes up in the future. I did contact the Texas DPS and received a reply today. They honor Utah's permit here in Texas even if you are a Texas resident. You are not required to get a Texas CHL if you move to Texas. Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys! |
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Quoted: Probably depends drastically on who runs your courses...the Utah course I took was VERY thorough and although most seemed to be common sense and (forgive me for saying) dull...it was useful. Also, just in case this comes up in the future. I did contact the Texas DPS and received a reply today. They honor Utah's permit here in Texas even if you are a Texas resident. You are not required to get a Texas CHL if you move to Texas. Thanks for all the help and suggestions, guys! My only criticism would be that you never handle a loaded weapon of fire a shot in the Utah course. As for Texas, personally, I'd like to see the state require a big chunk of the 10 hours be spent on the range. |
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Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted:
If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. If you break it down and allow for shooting and testing, the Texas course materials must be covered in 8 hours or less. With the current required course material, I have a tough time getting through it in a 10 hour class. I agree with you, a person living here carrying on an out of state license should really take the time to learn the Texas laws. |
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Quoted: Right, I just think the classroom course could be "pared down" in certain areas and more emphasis placed on hands on firearm safety/proficiency. The range portion always feels rushed and some students walk out with a CHL-100 who don't know what they are doing with the gun...IMOQuoted: Quoted: Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted: If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. If you break it down and allow for shooting and testing, the Texas course materials must be covered in 8 hours or less. With the current required course material, I have a tough time getting through it in a 10 hour class. I agree with you, a person living here carrying on an out of state license should really take the time to learn the Texas laws. |
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Right, I just think the classroom course could be "pared down" in certain areas and more emphasis placed on hands on firearm safety/proficiency. The range portion always feels rushed and some students walk out with a CHL-100 who don't know what they are doing with the gun...IMO
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Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted:
If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. If you break it down and allow for shooting and testing, the Texas course materials must be covered in 8 hours or less. With the current required course material, I have a tough time getting through it in a 10 hour class. I agree with you, a person living here carrying on an out of state license should really take the time to learn the Texas laws. I agree there. We cover a very brief section on marksmanship and safety before we qualify, but the course is not designed to teach how to shoot. We just get to test em. |
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Quoted: That is true...but how often does anybody actually fail any instructors class? Many get nursed through the range and away they go.Quoted: Quoted: Right, I just think the classroom course could be "pared down" in certain areas and more emphasis placed on hands on firearm safety/proficiency. The range portion always feels rushed and some students walk out with a CHL-100 who don't know what they are doing with the gun...IMOQuoted: Quoted: Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted: If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. If you break it down and allow for shooting and testing, the Texas course materials must be covered in 8 hours or less. With the current required course material, I have a tough time getting through it in a 10 hour class. I agree with you, a person living here carrying on an out of state license should really take the time to learn the Texas laws. I agree there. We cover a very brief section on marksmanship and safety before we qualify, but the course is not designed to teach how to shoot. We just get to test em. Many classes even advertise that no prior gun experience is required... To the OP: Sorry for the thread-jack |
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That is true...but how often does anybody actually fail any instructors class? Many get nursed through the range and away they go.Quoted:
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Right, I just think the classroom course could be "pared down" in certain areas and more emphasis placed on hands on firearm safety/proficiency. The range portion always feels rushed and some students walk out with a CHL-100 who don't know what they are doing with the gun...IMO
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Nothing against the Utah permit (I have a Utah and TX)...But the class for Utah is not even close to the class required for the CHL. Texas requires a 10-15 hour course which must include a scored shooting proficiency test. Quoted:
If I move, TX requires me to update my address for my CHL. If you move, does Utah require the same? Will your license still be valid in Utah after you change your address to TX? I only ask because, while Texas might recognize a valid Utah CCW, that does you no good if your Utah CCW is no longer valid due to having an out-of-state address. Yes, I have already updated my address with Utah. I think you misunderstand the usefulness of a Utah CCW as it allows carry in 32 states. You are not required to be a Utah resident to earn a Utah CCW. So long as you take the Utah class (very similar Im sure to the Texas CHL class) and submit your paperwork (and get accepted) you can legally carry in more states than any other license allows. There is no "oh, you moved, now its invalid" like would be associated if I had a Texas CHL and then moved to New York. So long as the state of issuance is reciprocal with my current state of residence (or even not...I got the Utah CCW when I lived in Illinois...no concealed carry there) I just need to update my address with Utah and can carry in the same 32 states. At least...thats how I interpretted it. Utah changed my address to my new one in Texas and made no mention of requiring a TX CHL or the address change invalidating my license. I wish Texas would back theirs down a bit...the material could be covered in 7-8 hours and $140 for the license seems kind of ridiculous. If you break it down and allow for shooting and testing, the Texas course materials must be covered in 8 hours or less. With the current required course material, I have a tough time getting through it in a 10 hour class. I agree with you, a person living here carrying on an out of state license should really take the time to learn the Texas laws. I agree there. We cover a very brief section on marksmanship and safety before we qualify, but the course is not designed to teach how to shoot. We just get to test em. Many classes even advertise that no prior gun experience is required... To the OP: Sorry for the thread-jack I have gotten to the point where I will not allow a person to qualify if they have no experience. Or if I see they just have no idea. There is not enough time to babysit them. We qualify in the first hour, and I just have those people complete the classroom portion. Once they obtain training they can come back to the first hour of another class and qualify. There was a woman who asked me, in class, if we would be loading more than one round at a time. Seemed like a simple question so I answer yes and moved on. Once in the range when I instructed them to load 5 rounds and make the handgun ready to fire she raised her hand. She had the slide open, one round she had placed directly in the chamber and wanted to knnow how to put the other 4 in the chamber. This was a woman who assured me she was competent and familiar with how to opreate her handgun. In a decade, I have had only 3 or 4 not pass on the first attempt. As you know, they are allowed three attempts. |
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Whoever said there is no firearms familiarity in the Utah training is wrong. I took mine when I lived in Utah, and part of the course is to demonstrate that you can SAFELY load, operate and unload both a revolver and a semi-auto, using dummy rounds. My instructor used a Beretta 92 and a K frame Smith, and everyone had to show him that they knew how to load it, unload it, and how it operated.
You can watch someone do this and know if they have been around guns or not. I don't put much stock in the "qualification" part of the Texas training as I've known two women who passed with flying colors, first gal it was the only the second time she had ever touched a gun, and the other I had taken to the indoor range twice and that was the sum total of her experience (She shot 248/250). |
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I guess a NYS full carry is no good in Texas?
I might be moving to Houston and would like the option to carry. How long does it take to get a CHL in Texas? |
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Quoted: Whoever said there is no firearms familiarity in the Utah training is wrong. I took mine when I lived in Utah, and part of the course is to demonstrate that you can SAFELY load, operate and unload both a revolver and a semi-auto, using dummy rounds. My instructor used a Beretta 92 and a K frame Smith, and everyone had to show him that they knew how to load it, unload it, and how it operated. You can watch someone do this and know if they have been around guns or not. I don't put much stock in the "qualification" part of the Texas training as I've known two women who passed with flying colors, first gal it was the only the second time she had ever touched a gun, and the other I had taken to the indoor range twice and that was the sum total of her experience (She shot 248/250). What I said was "My only criticism would be that you never handle a loaded weapon of fire a shot in the Utah course." which is a true statement. If your instructor "can tell" you haven't used a gun before how does he measure it, or make a decision to not pass you? I also made the same point you did about Texas and stated the CHL program could be improved with more hands-on firearm training. Still, Texas at least makes you load the weapon repeatedly with live ammunition and fire 50 shots (which must reach a minimum score). Lots of room for improvement in both programs in my opinion.
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And the good idea fairy digs and get's to work.......
With CHL classes you get into the conflict with making the class tough enough to ensure that students are competent enough to handle guns safely and know the laws well enough to stay out of trouble, vs. making it too hard to get your CHL for the average or even sub-average citizen. Yes, it would be cool to have every CHL holder be able to shoot like Cris Costa but that's not what CHL is about. It's about anyone who can meet the requirements, pass the 50 question test and pass the shooting qual getting their license. That includes wobbly old grandmas, airhead ditzy blonds, mall ninja wannabes and pissed off old retired guys. Some will never carry the gun. Some may get serious an train. There are folks who are working on getting the time reduced to 8 or even 6 hours but as with anything dealing with politics and bureaucracies, it takes a long time. I can teach the material in 6 hours to a small switched-on class and do the qual in an hour. 10 hours is a waste of time. But until they change the law, it' s10 hours, baby Gringop |
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