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Posted: 3/1/2006 10:49:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/1/2006 11:13:42 AM EDT by rkbar15]
And the beat goes on.


SPONSORS MEMO:
NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY
MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF LEGISLATION
submitted in accordance with Assembly Rule III, Sec 1(e)


BILL NUMBER: A10090

SPONSOR: Boyland (MS)


TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the general business law, in relation
to requiring the registration of persons who purchase ammunition and the
creation of a data base


PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF THE BILL:

Provides that persons who purchase ammunition at retail shall register
with the seller and a statewide data base shall be maintained.


SUMMARY OF SPECIFIC PROVISIONS:

Amends the general business law by adding section 399-yy. This new
section requires that any individual buying ammunition at retail shall
be required to register information for a statewide data base at the
point of purchase. Section 399-yy defines what information is required
for registration. Registration will mandate the seller to include the
caliber, brand, and other vital ballistic information crucial for police
officers piecing together crime scenes. Also, crucial information about
the buyer will be included, such as his or hers legal name, address, and
driver's license number or photo identification card number. This bill
makes having a valid driver's license or non-driver photo identification
a requirement for all retail ammunition purchases.


JUSTIFICATION:

This bill will provide police officers a valuable tool to link guns from
various crime scenes and help protect New York's families. Each year
guns are used to kill 1, 200 New Yorkers. Guns are used in 50 percent of
all murders and since 1999 have claimed the lives of 7,000 New Yorkers.
Requiring the registration of individuals seeking to purchase ammunition
will help stymie New York's violent gun crime. This new legislation can
be influential in addressing violent crime in a multitude of scenarios.
Police could use the database to search for individuals who purchased
ammunition matching the ballistic information found at the crime scene.
Eye witnesses could look through pictures of individuals matching their
descriptions. In addition, any information

found could be pertinent for prosecutors during trial. These are just a
few of the implications that this legislation could have.


PRIOR LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:

This is new legislation.


FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:

To be determined.


EFFECTIVE DATE:
This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall have
become a law, except that any rule or regulation necessary for the time-
ly implementation of this act on its effective date shall be promulgated
on or before such date.

BILL TEXT:


STATE OF NEW YORK
________________________________________________________________________

10090

IN ASSEMBLY

February 28, 2006
___________

Introduced by M. of A. BOYLAND, ESPAILLAT, WRIGHT, EDDINGTON, WEISEN-
BERG, LAVELLE -- Multi-Sponsored by -- M. of A. CLARK, COLTON,
FARRELL, GREEN, LAFAYETTE, LAVINE, PERRY, PHEFFER -- read once and
referred to the Committee on Codes

AN ACT to amend the general business law, in relation to requiring the
registration of persons who purchase ammunition and the creation of a
data base

The People of the State of New York, represented in Senate and Assem-
bly, do enact as follows:

1 Section 1. The general business law is amended by adding a new section
2 399-yy to read as follows:
3 § 399-yy. Registration of persons who purchase ammunition; statewide
4 data base. 1. For purposes of this section "ammunition" means cartridges
5 or bullets intended to be used in revolvers, pistols, rifles, shot guns
6 or other guns.
7 2. A person or entity which sells ammunition at retail shall require
8 that the person purchasing such ammunition present a state driver's
9 license or non-driver photo identification card, and such person shall
10 also register at the time of purchase.
11 3. Registration for purchase of ammunition requires that the seller of
12 such ammunition record the date of purchase, the legal name of the
13 purchaser, the driver's license number or photo identification card
14 number of the purchaser, the address of the purchaser, the caliber,
15 quantity and other identifying information available for the ammunition
16 purchased, and the make and model of the firearm in which the ammunition
17 is intended to be used.
18 4. All information obtained at registration by the seller of ammuni-
19 tion shall be forwarded to the department of state in accordance with
20 rules and regulations which shall be promulgated by the secretary of
21 state. The department of state shall maintain all such registration
22 information in a statewide data base.
23 § 2. This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall
24 have become a law, except that any rule or regulation necessary for the
25 timely implementation of this act on its effective date shall be promul-
26 gated on or before such date.

Link Posted: 3/1/2006 11:51:52 AM EDT
So is this the same as California's ammunition serial number plan?

Regardless, what a waste of time and money. I'm glad lawmakers aren't spending it on less important things like establishing some fiscal responsibility and attracting new businesses into the state to establish a better economy.

Some of our lawmakers have serious issues with straightening out their priorities.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 12:12:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/1/2006 12:16:15 PM EDT by GoingIncognito]

Originally Posted By rkbar15:


This bill will provide police officers a valuable tool to link guns from
various crime scenes and help protect New York's families.

Each year guns are used to kill 1, 200 New Yorkers. And I'm quite sure that nothing else in NY is used to kill people...oh, I don't know, cars, knives, bats, etc? Shouldn't you be going after drunken drivers or something? Hey, let's decide to go after guns because they have a more politically attractive platform!

Guns are used in 50 percent of all murders and since 1999 have claimed the lives of 7,000 New Yorkers. Ok, so what was used in the OTHER 50% of murders? Why don't ya'll go after those other 50%, huh? How many New Yorkers lives' have been claimed by traffic accidents, illict drug use, medical malpractice, suicide (suicide by gun I'm sure you're counting as a gun crime, rather than a straight suicide), etc?

Requiring the registration of individuals seeking to purchase ammunition
will help stymie New York's violent gun crime. This will only serve to stymie law-abiding citizens NOT stop any sort of crime. Must lawmakers always forget that criminals are ALREADY disregarding laws? Enacting new laws does nothing to stop the criminals from going about their daily business.


Link Posted: 3/1/2006 12:28:50 PM EDT
The largest mass murder (killed 87 people) in NYS by an individual was committed by Julio Gonzales who set fire to a NYC social club with a gallon of gasoline.

The "killed by gun" statistics usually include suicides, criminals killed by police, self defense killings by citizens and hunting accidents etc. They never tell you that.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 12:50:54 PM EDT
How many lives have been saved by civilian use of firearms in NYS.

We'll never see that statistic because its almost impossible to formulate.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 12:56:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
The largest mass murder (killed 87 people) in NYS by an individual was committed by Julio Gonzales who set fire to a NYC social club with a gallon of gasoline.

The "killed by gun" statistics usually include suicides, criminals killed by police, self defense killings by citizens and hunting accidents etc. They never tell you that.



Well, you don't really want them to cloud the argument with FACTS, do you?

Link Posted: 3/1/2006 1:22:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By feraldan:
How many lives have been saved by civilian use of firearms in NYS.

We'll never see that statistic because its almost impossible to formulate.



The NYS Assembly anti-gun agenda does not provide for the concept of self-defense. You are supposed to hide under your bed and call 911 on your cell phone while your wife and children are murdered.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 2:53:02 PM EDT
They should ban ski masks
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 3:49:28 PM EDT
If these A$$%OLES spent half the time figuring out how to lower taxes, as they do with the BS new antigun bills, this would be one hell of a state! We pay these jerkoffs alot of money to waste time with this crap!
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 4:53:03 PM EDT
Sorry New Yorkers, but the NUT-meg state of Connecticut has you beat this week for "STUPID GUN BILL OF THE WEEK"

CT's SB 304 in Public Safety Committee right now, would BAN POSSESSION of handguns based on EXTERNAL FINISH COLOR!!!! No grandfather clause.

Yup.... you heard it here first! external color. Not caliber, not capacity, not action type, not size or weight or barrel length, not material of construction, but........ COLOR.

Under SB 304 CT handguns must be and I quote : "Black"; "Nickel"; "Chrome"; "Gray" or "Military Camel" (not camo - CAMEL as in the animal)

want to read more about it? go to www.ctsportsmen.com
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 5:12:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By feraldan:
How many lives have been saved by civilian use of firearms in NYS.

We'll never see that statistic because its almost impossible to formulate.


No more difficult to calculate than it would be anywhere else.
Link Posted: 3/1/2006 7:06:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
The largest mass murder (killed 87 people) in NYS by an individual was committed by Julio Gonzales who set fire to a NYC social club with a gallon of gasoline.

The "killed by gun" statistics usually include suicides, criminals killed by police, self defense killings by citizens and hunting accidents etc. They never tell you that.



Actually, the largest mass murder in NYS occurred on 9/11/01 when approximately 3000 innocent people were slaughtered by boxcutter wielding terrorist assholes.

But your point is well taken.



Link Posted: 3/2/2006 6:08:04 AM EDT
The 9-11 WTC attack and mass murder was committed by an organized group of terrorists and not "an individual" acting alone as was the case with Gonzales.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 8:11:50 AM EDT
Fair enough. I missed that part in your original post but you did specify "individual." And you're right.

Again, to echo your sentiments, if you're going to blame guns for murders, you better blame gas cans, bic lighters, boxcutters and airplanes as well. We're on the same page, you and I.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 8:25:31 AM EDT
Unfortunately the anti-gun Democrats of the NYS Assembly and NYS Senate treat the law-abiding gun owners in NYS as terrorists.
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 11:10:38 AM EDT
WOW, not even 1 "please don't hurt me hat"....This deserves at least a couple.

And the CT bill is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I thought banning the 7.62x39 caliber or Colt rifles was bad but this is going too far. Color? Not to mention you can't buy beer after 8:00 PM or on Sundays and holidays in CT but riding mororcycles without a helmet is A-OK. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
Link Posted: 3/2/2006 11:35:34 AM EDT
OK I'll give it one hat. This bill is so stupid not even the Assembly will vote on it.

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