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Posted: 3/26/2006 11:33:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/26/2006 11:37:29 PM EDT by PromptCritical]
In the big ATF thread in GD, I posted about some of the dumb stuff that is treated as a felony in Oregon. Figured maybe y'all might wanna see it.

Ok, for some fun, I am running through the Oregon Revised Statutes searching for the instance of the word "felony"

Tampering with public records is a class A misdemeanor, but if the funds are related to the state lottery, Class C felony. Don't fuck with the revenue!

Simulating legal process. Basically making up fake court documents like supoenas and delivering them in order to do god knows what. Class C felony.

Female genital mutilation is a Class B felony. Doesn't really do anything for the thread, just thought it interesting that it's in the ORS...

Theft in the first: Theft of an item >$750, theft committed during riot or other emergency, theft of a firearm, theft of companion animal (including pets) or of wild animals. Class C felony. Moves up to Class B if >$10,000. U/A use of a vehicle is also a Class C felony. If you rent an item worth more than $500, and default on payment for over 45 days, that is also a Class C felony.

Computer crime. No real degrees here, with few exceptions, all are Class C felonies.

Here's a good one: Unlawful labeling of a sound (and video) recording. Basically Oregons anti-bootleg law. Class C felony. Same goes for unauthorized taping of live performance. Another felony.

Spiking trees is a Class C felony. If someone is injured, Class B. Can't argue with that. Fuckin' tree huggers.

Possession of forgery device. Basically tools used only in forging stuff. Class C felony.

Writing two checks you know will bounce within five years, assuming they actually prosecute both: Class C felony.

Possession of fraudulent communication device: device used to make free toll calls or hide origin of calls. Class C felony.

Basically any sort of bank fraud is a Class C felony.

Paying athletes to throw a game, or officials to make bad calls. Class C felony. Receiving the bribe is the same. Doesn't specify professional sports so it apparently applies to little league too.

Crimes related to cloning cell phones: if more than $100 in service is stolen, minimum Class C felony.

Possession of fake ID, or devices used to make ID cards. Class C felony. (this doesn't include fake ID stuff for smokes or beer, they are specifically exempted)

Abuse of a corpse is a felony.

Felon in possession of firearm: Class C felony.

Unlawful possession of NFA weapon: Class B felony.

Possession of firearm in public building: Class C felony.

Possession of destructive device: Class C felony

Illegal manufacturing, transfering, or importing NFA weapon: Class B felony.

Felon in possession of body armor: Class C felony.

Throwing an object from an overpass: Class C felony

Good one here: Unlawful paramilitary activity (ORS 166.660) Basically weappons training with intent to use training in unlawful fashion. Class C felony.

Racketeering: Class A felony. Hell, right up there with manslaughter.

Pimpin' (Promoting prostitution) is a Class C felony. Probably rightfully so..

Sadomasochism in a live sex show (no, I am not making this up): Class C felony.

Internet gambling (operating, not playing): Class C felony. Other gambling promotion is the same.

Possession of a gray machine (whatever that is): Class C felony

Cheating in legal gambling is a class C felony.

Oh, this is good: normal property damage is a felony if >$750, but if the damaged property belongs to an animal research facility, it is a misdemeanor unless the damge is >$2,500. Same goes for a livestock facility. Interesting...

Dogfighting is a class C felony. Same for cockfighting.

I went back and looked: It would appear that Oregon has almost no laws addressing controlled substances. Interesting...

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:09:08 AM EDT



I went back and looked: It would appear that Oregon has almost no laws addressing controlled substances. Interesting...




what about ORS 475
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 5:53:45 AM EDT
I can help you with this one:"Possession of a gray machine (whatever that is): Class C felony"

From: http://ufocasebook.com/alientypes.html

VARIETIES OF ALIEN BEINGS KNOWN TO "INTERACT" WITH HUMANS AND SUPPOSEDLY INVOLVED IN INFLUENCING HUMAN AFFAIRS.

ALIEN TYPE 1: The Greys.

Of this type there are several sub-types. All tend to appear grayish in color and for this reason are referred to as "greys."

BSW



Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:16:17 AM EDT
pimpin!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:42:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
pimpin!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO






Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:07:31 AM EDT


Spiking trees is a Class C felony. If someone is injured, Class B. Can't argue with that. Fuckin' tree huggers.



Except that planting a bullet in a tree is considered spiking.
Just be careful where you shoot, and don't use a tree as a backstop (even unwittingly).
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 7:36:36 AM EDT
It would really suck if you were a pimp shooting your new stolen illegally made M16 out in the woods into trees' while talking on your hacked cell phone to a booky aranging to throw the next OSU basketball game and the next cockfight....both with animals and "mutilation".
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:06:31 AM EDT







Mark.

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 8:13:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
It would really suck if you were a pimp shooting your new stolen illegally made M16 out in the woods into trees' while talking on your hacked cell phone to a booky aranging to throw the next OSU basketball game and the next cockfight....both with animals and "mutilation". With sado-masicistic sex acts during the intermission.

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 2:36:46 PM EDT
Then walk home through the govenor's official residence...
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 2:45:29 PM EDT

Abuse of a corpse is a felony.


Dang, there goes my idea for cool targets at the next shoot.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 3:00:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hartmann:

Abuse of a corpse is a felony.


Dang, there goes my idea for cool targets at the next shoot.



Now is that a human corpse or ANY corpse? What if you accidentally put Turkey gravy on Roast Beef. THAT'S abuse of a corpse!
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 3:15:03 PM EDT

Possession of firearm in public building: Class C felony.


I'm pretty sure this one was thrown out by the courts because of our preemptive clause.

Patty
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 3:51:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Possession of firearm in public building: Class C felony.


I'm pretty sure this one was thrown out by the courts because of our preemptive clause.

Patty



The public building thing doesn't apply if you have a CHL.... except for court houses and airports.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 4:49:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
It would really suck if you were a pimp shooting your new stolen illegally made M16 out in the woods into trees' while talking on your hacked cell phone to a booky aranging to throw the next OSU basketball game and the next cockfight....both with animals and "mutilation".




I take it you haven't been Caught yet.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 6:17:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Q-Man:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Possession of firearm in public building: Class C felony.


I'm pretty sure this one was thrown out by the courts because of our preemptive clause.

Patty



The public building thing doesn't apply if you have a CHL.... except for court houses and airports.



I still think this is missing the boat. We have open carry capabilities. So with our premptive clause there should be no way any state or local municipality to be able to restrict our abilty to open carry. Think about it, Publc Building? WTF is that? Safeway could be considered a public building could it not?

Link Posted: 3/27/2006 9:41:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

I still think this is missing the boat. We have open carry capabilities. So with our premptive clause there should be no way any state or local municipality to be able to restrict our abilty to open carry. Think about it, Publc Building? WTF is that? Safeway could be considered a public building could it not?




Thats exactly the thought I was thinking. Library, Hospital?
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:15:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By Q-Man:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Possession of firearm in public building: Class C felony.


I'm pretty sure this one was thrown out by the courts because of our preemptive clause.

Patty



The public building thing doesn't apply if you have a CHL.... except for court houses and airports.



I still think this is missing the boat. We have open carry capabilities. So with our premptive clause there should be no way any state or local municipality to be able to restrict our abilty to open carry. Think about it, Publc Building? WTF is that? Safeway could be considered a public building could it not?




I believe the preepmtive clause applies to cities making rules. Since it is in the ORS, it is not subject to the preemptive clause.

The list is also a quick summary, if you want to read the actual rules, google "Oregon Revised Statutes", go to the first link, and check Chapter 166.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 10:36:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -RotorDemon-:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

I still think this is missing the boat. We have open carry capabilities. So with our premptive clause there should be no way any state or local municipality to be able to restrict our abilty to open carry. Think about it, Publc Building? WTF is that? Safeway could be considered a public building could it not?




Thats exactly the thought I was thinking. Library, Hospital?



damn... you guys are like... google challenged or something.

www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html
(4) "Public building" means a hospital, a capitol building, a public or private school, as defined in ORS 339.315, a college or university, a city hall or the residence of any state official elected by the state at large, and the grounds adjacent to each such building. The term also includes that portion of any other building occupied by an agency of the state or a municipal corporation, as defined in ORS 297.405, other than a court facility.

safeway would be a "premisis open to the public" ORS 801.400 “Premises open to the public.” “Premises open to the public” includes any premises open to the general public for the use of motor vehicles, whether the premises are publicly or privately owned and whether or not a fee is charged for the use of the premises.


Oh, a gray machine is a gambling device... kind of a catch all definition.

so... there goes my dream of opening a pachinko parlor in china town.

www.leg.state.or.us/ors/167.html
(9)(a) "Gray machine" means any electrical or electro-mechanical device, whether or not it is in working order or some act of manipulation, repair, adjustment or modification is required to render it operational, that:
(A) Awards credits or contains or is readily adaptable to contain, a circuit, meter or switch capable of removing or recording the removal of credits earned by a player, other than removal during the course of continuous play; or
(B) Plays, emulates or simulates a casino game, bingo or keno.
(b) A device is no less a gray machine because, apart from its use or adaptability as such, it may also sell or deliver something of value on the basis other than chance.




Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:09:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2006 11:11:29 PM EDT by -RotorDemon-]
ORS 166.370 Possession of firearm or dangerous weapon in public building or court facility; exceptions; discharging firearm at school.

Any person who intentionally possesses a loaded or unloaded firearm or any other instrument used as a dangerous weapon, while in or on a public building, shall upon conviction be guilty of a Class C felony.

(2)(a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (B) of this subsection, a person who intentionally possesses:

(A) A firearm in a court facility is guilty, upon conviction, of a Class C felony. A person who intentionally possesses a firearm in a court facility shall surrender the firearm to a law enforcement officer.

(B) A weapon, other than a firearm, in a court facility may be required to surrender the weapon to a law enforcement officer or to immediately remove it from the court facility. A person who fails to comply with this subparagraph is guilty, upon conviction, of a Class C felony.

(B) The presiding judge of a judicial district may enter an order permitting the possession of specified weapons in a court facility.

(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:

(a) A sheriff, police officer, other duly appointed peace officers or a corrections officer while acting within the scope of employment.

(B) A person summoned by a peace officer to assist in making an arrest or preserving the peace, while the summoned person is engaged in assisting the officer.

© An active or reserve member of the military forces of this state or the United States, when engaged in the performance of duty.

(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 to carry a concealed handgun.



I would have to do some more digging but I am SURE it says you CAN carry in a public schools and hospitals. Unless what was posted above has changed recently. It's just frowned upon and usually there are placards placed in the window discouraging carrying of a firearm/weapon in those establishments.

By all means correct me if I am wrong.
Link Posted: 3/27/2006 11:53:20 PM EDT
That is correct. A person with a CHL CAN carry in schools. This caused Ginny Burdick to freak out last year, so she tried to ban carry at any place where a school function was being held. This would have presumably included any place where a school field trip was taking place. Luckily, it failed miserably.

Here's the rub: I can legally carry at PCC where I attend classes. However, if they caught me, I doubt I could stop them from kicking me out of school and making my life generally unpleasant.

We can tachnically also carry in the airport up to the security checkpoint (where it becomes federal jurisdiction). The port of portland does not allow carrying, but they technically have no authority to do that. No one has seen fit to challenge them on this since the publicity would probably lead to legislation further restricting places we can carry.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 12:14:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
That is correct. A person with a CHL CAN carry in schools. This caused Ginny Burdick to freak out last year, so she tried to ban carry at any place where a school function was being held. This would have presumably included any place where a school field trip was taking place. Luckily, it failed miserably.

Here's the rub: I can legally carry at PCC where I attend classes. However, if they caught me, I doubt I could stop them from kicking me out of school and making my life generally unpleasant.

We can tachnically also carry in the airport up to the security checkpoint (where it becomes federal jurisdiction). The port of portland does not allow carrying, but they technically have no authority to do that. No one has seen fit to challenge them on this since the publicity would probably lead to legislation further restricting places we can carry.



Or the whole "how do I get my gun to the counter to check it in when I am going on a hunting trip?" discussion. For a while, they were trying to say that ALL guns were banned on airport property...
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 12:40:59 AM EDT
Anywhere in the airport before the terminal screening is state law, after that it is federal.

However they want the sheeple to belive that all firearm posession is not permitted on those properties. Hell it even said in my CHL application that firearms are not allowed in public schools, ORS Says otherwise (I think it's difficult as hell to read those laws but I don't have a degree in it)
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:59:16 AM EDT
Interesting. Washington County removed schools from areas you cannot carry with a CCW from their FAQ. It was there a year ago:

www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/service/ccw_faq.htm#cannotcarry

14. Even with a concealed handgun license, where can I not carry a firearm?

Oregon Law states: Possession of a Concealed Handgun License does not authorize you to carry a firearm on any of the following properties: Any Federal facility. (i.e. Federal Court House, Post Office, Social Security Office, in airports, and on airplanes). This does not prohibit the carrying of firearms on federal lands, other than designated wilderness areas, incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. National Forests marked or posted by signs prohibiting all firearms. You may not carry a firearm concealed while upon an Indian Reservation/Indian property without the written permission of the tribal judge. This may also apply to certain casinos that are on the Indian lands. In a courtroom, jury room, judge’s chambers or the areas adjacent thereto that the presiding judge determines should be free of firearms to ensure the safety of the litigants, court personnel, witnesses and others. Additionally, many private businesses have conditions regarding the possession of firearms on their premises. If you violate these conditions you could, under certain circumstances, be subject to arrest under Oregon trespass laws, in which case your concealed handgun license would be seized and/or revoked.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:38:36 AM EDT
Thanks for this Prompt.

I'll tell my ho's not to throw their firearms off of an overpass.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 2:58:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:
Interesting. Washington County removed schools from areas you cannot carry with a CCW from their FAQ. It was there a year ago:



That's because Washington County can't regulate CHL carry in a school.


www.co.washington.or.us/sheriff/service/ccw_faq.htm#cannotcarry

14. Even with a concealed handgun license, where can I not carry a firearm?

Oregon Law states: Possession of a Concealed Handgun License does not authorize you to carry a firearm on any of the following properties: Any Federal facility. (i.e. Federal Court House, Post Office, Social Security Office, in airports, and on airplanes). This does not prohibit the carrying of firearms on federal lands, other than designated wilderness areas, incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. National Forests marked or posted by signs prohibiting all firearms. You may not carry a firearm concealed while upon an Indian Reservation/Indian property without the written permission of the tribal judge. This may also apply to certain casinos that are on the Indian lands. In a courtroom, jury room, judge’s chambers or the areas adjacent thereto that the presiding judge determines should be free of firearms to ensure the safety of the litigants, court personnel, witnesses and others. Additionally, many private businesses have conditions regarding the possession of firearms on their premises. If you violate these conditions you could, under certain circumstances, be subject to arrest under Oregon trespass laws, in which case your concealed handgun license would be seized and/or revoked.



Post Office, Social Security Office - WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.


Title 18, United States Code, Sec. 930. - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

a. Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

d. Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

3. the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.



If you are a CHL holder, and if you are planning on going to the Post Office or the Social Security Office with the intent of engaging in LAWFUL behavior, you're not doing anything wrong.

Federal courts are off limits, period.

Here's a much better read and explanation on this: www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

Airports - there is NO federal prohibition, nor is there an Oregon prohibition on carrying at the airport. You're not allowed past the security checkpoint, obviously, but as far as driving to the airport to pick someone up, see someone off, etc., you're fine.

The Port of Portland has an ordnance against this, but that ordnance violates Oregon's pre-emption law.

See www.oregonfirearms.org/faq/ for more information.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:20:48 PM EDT
I believe the preemptive clause is part of our constitution not ORSs.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 5:55:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kythri:

That's because Washington County can't regulate CHL carry in a school.




You're preaching to the choir there bud. I was commenting that Washington County finally
fixed one of the errors in their document.

I KNOW where I can carry, Washington County doesn't.

Link Posted: 3/28/2006 10:04:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
I believe the preemptive clause is part of our constitution not ORSs.



Nope.

ORS 166.170 - ORS 166.176

This is what Ginny Burdick (and others) were trying to gut this past legislative session, to prohibit CHL in schools.
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:02:16 PM EDT
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Female genital mutilation is a Class B felony. Doesn't really do anything for the thread, just thought it interesting that it's in the ORS
___________________________________________________________________
There's an awful lot of clit, clit hood and labia piercings out there these days...................................
Link Posted: 3/28/2006 11:59:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jimmy_Hoffa:
__________________________________________________________________
Female genital mutilation is a Class B felony. Doesn't really do anything for the thread, just thought it interesting that it's in the ORS
___________________________________________________________________
There's an awful lot of clit, clit hood and labia piercings out there these days...................................



Yeah, but no one is forcing them...

BWT: You're looking for the "Quote" button...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:04:44 AM EDT
So, I had to know what was going on...

Stupid me.


163.207 Female genital mutilation. (1) A person commits the crime of female genital mutilation if the person:

(a) Knowingly circumcises, excises or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora, labia minora or clitoris of a child; or

(b) Is the parent, guardian or other person legally responsible for the care or custody of a child and knowingly allows the circumcision, excision or infibulation of the whole or any part of the child’s labia majora, labia minora or clitoris.

(2) Female genital mutilation is a Class B felony.

(3)(a) A person who circumcises, excises or infibulates the whole or any part of a child’s labia majora, labia minora or clitoris does not violate subsection (1) of this section if:

(A) The person is a physician, licensed to practice in this state; and

(B) The surgery is medically necessary for the physical well-being of the child.

(b) In determining medical necessity for purposes of paragraph (a)(B) of this subsection, a person may not consider the effect on the child of the child’s belief that the surgery is required as a matter of custom or ritual. [1999 c.737 §1]

Note: 163.207 was enacted into law by the Legislative Assembly but was not added to or made a part of ORS chapter 163 or any series therein by legislative action. See Preface to Oregon Revised Statutes for further explanation.



What that last part means is that this law was enacted, but not added to ORS 163. It was editorially added (by a clerk, or similar persion) to ORS 163, as ORS 163 is the chapter dealing with "Offenses Against Persons", and contains sections for sexual abuses.

Infibulate basically means "sew shut"...

Sounds like this was something enacted to prohibit some crazy looney-tunes from practicing some B.S. "cultural tradition", but all I can find on it is the original bill:

www.leg.state.or.us/99reg/measures/hb3600.dir/hb3608.b.html

Be interesting to discover why exactly this was considered to be needed...
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 6:28:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/29/2006 6:31:48 AM EDT by watchdawg]

Originally Posted By kythri:

Be interesting to discover why exactly this was considered to be needed...



Muslim's practice FGM, Female genital mutilation, on girls obviously below the age of consent.
It's tolerated and supposedly legal in most muslim nations, but it caused major outrage in the
early to mid 90's when it became clear that some muslims were practicing it in the US of A.
It's part of the female "coming of age" ritual or some such thing.

Since it was usually done by a doctor, it was very difficult to identify what procedures were
legitimate, and some muslim doctors in the US were performing the operations.

Most states enacted laws banning FGM.



Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:34:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By watchdawg:

Originally Posted By kythri:

Be interesting to discover why exactly this was considered to be needed...



Muslim's practice FGM, Female genital mutilation, on girls obviously below the age of consent.
It's tolerated and supposedly legal in most muslim nations, but it caused major outrage in the
early to mid 90's when it became clear that some muslims were practicing it in the US of A.
It's part of the female "coming of age" ritual or some such thing.

Since it was usually done by a doctor, it was very difficult to identify what procedures were
legitimate, and some muslim doctors in the US were performing the operations.

Most states enacted laws banning FGM.




So I was close - crazy looney-tunes practicing BS "cultural traditions".

Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:42:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By Jimmy_Hoffa:
__________________________________________________________________
Female genital mutilation is a Class B felony. Doesn't really do anything for the thread, just thought it interesting that it's in the ORS
___________________________________________________________________
There's an awful lot of clit, clit hood and labia piercings out there these days...................................



Yeah, but no one is forcing them...

BWT: You're looking for the "Quote" button...


Ah.........................I wasn't looking for it, were you?
Link Posted: 3/29/2006 12:56:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
We can tachnically also carry in the airport up to the security checkpoint (where it becomes federal jurisdiction). The port of portland does not allow carrying, but they technically have no authority to do that. No one has seen fit to challenge them on this since the publicity would probably lead to legislation further restricting places we can carry.



They have been challenged on it, and reponded by reporting the challenger to the TSA and eventually pretty much saying that the law does not apply to them.

A clarification was requested from the Legislative Councel, who said that the law did apply there and that CHL carry was permitted. The chief of the port authority police basically said he didn't care who said what, anyone caught with a concealed weapon, CHL or not was going to be arrested.

I think we are just waiting for this to happen, then the Portland Port Authority is wide open to a lawsuit.

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