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Posted: 2/17/2007 9:39:39 PM EST
Here is what Jim Zumbo has to say about AR and AK type rifles.

http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/assault_rifles_.html#comment-60826516
Link Posted: 2/17/2007 10:10:09 PM EST
I saw that on Glocktalk..

He's one of the assholes that'll lose it for all of us unfortunatly.
Link Posted: 2/17/2007 10:57:11 PM EST
HOT LINK

Interesting read. Why do groups always have to seperate like that?
Link Posted: 2/18/2007 4:45:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By CrownAndSeven:
HOT LINK

Interesting read. Why do groups always have to seperate like that?


One of several possibilities--

First (most likely) is the idea of "throwing the least popular to the wolves, in the hopes of saving one's own skin."

Second (only somewhat less likely) is the idea of planting ideas among the followers of whoever is speaking, in order to support some nefarious idea (in this case, "Jim Zumbo" may be/is a front man for anti-gun groups posing as a "gun-rights" advocate) This technique can be found in any good book on modern propaganda.

Third (least likely) this "Jim Zumbo" guy likes stirring the pot, since that motivates a lot of people to write letters to his editor, which his editor takes as bonafide proof that someone is reading his crap; thus Jim gets to keep his job; Jim is aware of this effect, and writes accordingly.
Link Posted: 2/18/2007 5:30:07 AM EST
Thanks for the link.

I just decided what to do with my WAHTF lower.

Ultramatch + FIRSH

Leupold Mark IV 6.5-20x50mm
Link Posted: 2/18/2007 6:03:27 AM EST
This looks pretty sporting to me. 100 yd group.





Link Posted: 2/18/2007 7:43:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 8:39:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 8:44:16 AM EST by GrabMyWrist]
I've been doing some reading over the last few hours about this subject. I've never read any of his columns. I've never seen any of his shows. It's seems to me though he had a severe case of head up the ass syndrome that day. I cannot imagine someone who is a gun owner ever saying the things he did about black gunners. While researching info on his fuckup I found this. It's his apology as posted on Ted Nugent's Shootists of America 2 days ago. It must really suck to commit career suicide so quickly. Especially when you stand to lose everything you have ever stood for. I sure as hell hope this does not come back to bite us in the ass. I have a bad feeling though somehow it will.

If any of you want to read the 47 page ass chewing he gets by black gun owners go here.



The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.

They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?

But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.

My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.

I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.

Jim Zumbo

Link Posted: 2/24/2007 10:33:07 AM EST
"I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth."

This is the part that shows he still doesn't get it. It will take more than hunting with, and telling "Fudds" that it's ok to hunt with, black rifles. Zumbo needs to learn that it is ok to take them to the range, to the local pit or anywhere we want to for legitimate, legal purposes.
I hope he can get it through his head that it ain't just about huntin'. Zumbo could be a great asset for bringing the different groups in the gun owning community together.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 11:28:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By 1811GNR:
"I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth."

This is the part that shows he still doesn't get it. It will take more than hunting with, and telling "Fudds" that it's ok to hunt with, black rifles. Zumbo needs to learn that it is ok to take them to the range, to the local pit or anywhere we want to for legitimate, legal purposes.
I hope he can get it through his head that it ain't just about huntin'. Zumbo could be a great asset for bringing the different groups in the gun owning community together.


Aren't you contradicting yourself? "Ain't about hunting" implies counter-gov't options (think, "revolution") but "legitimate, legal purposes" denies such things.

Just a thought...
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 11:41:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By JohnB_greenAK:

Originally Posted By 1811GNR:
"I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth."

This is the part that shows he still doesn't get it. It will take more than hunting with, and telling "Fudds" that it's ok to hunt with, black rifles. Zumbo needs to learn that it is ok to take them to the range, to the local pit or anywhere we want to for legitimate, legal purposes.
I hope he can get it through his head that it ain't just about huntin'. Zumbo could be a great asset for bringing the different groups in the gun owning community together.


Aren't you contradicting yourself? "Ain't about hunting" implies counter-gov't options (think, "revolution") but "legitimate, legal purposes" denies such things.

Just a thought...


Don't forget self defense.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 11:56:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 12:00:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By OdT:

Originally Posted By GrabMyWrist:
If any of you want to read the 47 page ass chewing he gets by black gun owners go here.


ughhh... Here I thought I was all caught up on the latest.

(my eyeballs are bleeding already from the massive reading this past week.... gonna have to pass on that link)


I completely understand. It's quite a chunk to consume. He does make a public apology. I respect that. In another thread, Ted Nugent claims that he has now schooled Mr. Zumbo in the error of his ways. Let's hope for our sake that he can make good on all he has promised to do, after he put his foot in his mouth.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 12:05:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By JohnB_greenAK:

Originally Posted By 1811GNR:
"I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth."

This is the part that shows he still doesn't get it. It will take more than hunting with, and telling "Fudds" that it's ok to hunt with, black rifles. Zumbo needs to learn that it is ok to take them to the range, to the local pit or anywhere we want to for legitimate, legal purposes.
I hope he can get it through his head that it ain't just about huntin'. Zumbo could be a great asset for bringing the different groups in the gun owning community together.


Aren't you contradicting yourself? "Ain't about hunting" implies counter-gov't options (think, "revolution") but "legitimate, legal purposes" denies such things.

Just a thought...


No contradiction at all. The things you mention are what Article 2 of The Bill of Rights are meant to protect. Don't worry, there'll be room in the same class Zumbo takes on the Bill of Rights if you sign up now
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 12:12:19 PM EST
Don't know if this has been posted yet....
Thread at tednugent.com..He's apologised and is answering questions:
nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 12:14:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Justin03R6:
Don't know if this has been posted yet....
Thread at tednugent.com..He's apologised and is answering questions:
nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html


Ummmm.....

That's the same link I posted about halfway up this page.

Link Posted: 2/24/2007 3:50:34 PM EST
Anyone have a copy of Zumbo's original blog entry? I get redirected to Outdoor Life & Zumbo part ways page now...
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 4:20:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 4:23:37 PM EST by Rune75]
Also, just a thought since Im trying to look at it from another angle...

Zumbo says: "I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option." Perhaps he wanted to go out with a BANG. You know... to help the Black Rifles and everyone else coalesce into a true voice to be heard. I scanned for his posts on the first 35 pages and I never saw an actual apology to the assault rifle shooters. This would be just the kind of shit storm to help shoot down that damn Rep's bill and many more to come. If McCarthy was siding with or taking quotes from Zumbo to help her cause, she would be fueling our fires to shoot the proposed ban down.

I have no proof to say this is true so screw you if you want to flame me for it.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 5:06:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 5:07:36 PM EST by Justin03R6]

Originally Posted By GrabMyWrist:

Originally Posted By Justin03R6:
Don't know if this has been posted yet....
Thread at tednugent.com..He's apologised and is answering questions:
nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html


Ummmm.....

That's the same link I posted about halfway up this page.



Whoops...seem to have missed that...

Alright, fine. I'll admit it...

(officerBarbrady)<sniffle> I CAN'T READ!...I'm illegitimate! (/officerBarbrady)

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