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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:26:23 PM EDT
We have been upset about not being able to have fun toys for a long time, but all we really needed to do is ask in the right way, right?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 7:01:32 PM EDT
No, had to have the right person in the AG's office.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 7:21:36 PM EDT
Its technically not really new NFA law - just the proper and legal interpretation of what the existing law means according to the Attorney General.

As a published opinion it is binding on the state governments and exists as law until overturned in a court of law, changed by new law encated by the Legislature and signed into law by the Governor or changed by a new AG Opinion.



Link Posted: 2/3/2006 2:44:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 3:01:47 PM EDT by JoblessWonder]
No, once we had a GOP house, a GOP senate, a GOP supreme court, and a GOP attorney general, and said attorney general got his dick caught in his zipper in a sex scandal which cost him his west Michigan amway dutch reform christian supporters, even though he is otherwise a very conservative guy.....and lots of GOP faithful fuctionaries such as myself told him how much we loved the CCW favors he was doing us gun people--at the same time he really needs to firm up his base...


that's when you ask him to reverse an opinion by the liberal AG rendered when liberal dems ruled all the state.

THAT'S WHEN WE WIN.

I have made no bones ever in the party the I am single issue, and there are many like me. That is what we have to do.

ETA : told him while at party functions and at fundraisers.

If you guys are serious about our rights, put some money together and send two or three people to a GOP fundraiser and have them stay apart, but then approach the pol one at a time and express their gun rights concern. That's when they listen, when Mr Green is in the house.

This MUST be a FUNDraiser, not a FRIENDraiser, the difference is that the bad kind costs $35 a head, and good kind costs $200 and up.



Link Posted: 2/3/2006 3:42:04 PM EDT
Quite insightful, although we did not exploit the scandal in order to push this issue with the AG. I too was the consumate single issue GOP pro gun operative for quite some time within the party. After the GOP failed to hold the Republicans in line for the AWB vote and threaten to take any dissenter down to the mat as I pushed for and almost achieved, I kinda lost faith in the party and kinda sat out the 10 years and waited for the sunset rather than work for the party that failed me at its strongest point. We held the Michigan GOP Congressional delegation together with one dissenter Congressman Fred Upton who voted for the AWB. Remember that 1 vote would have created a tie vote and 1 more vote and we would have won.

I remained in place to dole out the punishment by publicly embarassing Fred Upton at the Grand Rapids GOP Convention. I called him a traitor in handbills that were dispersed at the convention. I damn near witnessed a fist fight between another Congressman and him as we passed in the hall way and people called him a traitor. When Upton was introduced on center stage he was booed off. And I was escorted out of the convention for excercising free speech by passing out my vitriol!

I organized volunteers in Uptons district to provide 9 miles worth of bad campaign road for Upton. He may have still won re-election but it cost him plenty. He can never be trusted on a gun vote ever. I went to his DC office just prior to the vote and witnessed thuggish people in his office meeting with him. I think a deal was cut right then and there and I perhaps witnessed it first hand.

For now I am no party and I work for what I think can be had rather silently in the background until the shit hits the fan, and then people remember me. Like I knew that guy. Then the hammer drops and its a full frontal assault to take back what was taken from us with no regrets as to how it had to be taken back.

Having said that I believe in rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies. So regardless of any scandal or otherwise for now I support our AG Mike Cox 100% because he has earned it by demonstrating pro gun action period. This is why I am asking people to make a campaign contribution to Cox and volunteer support and make it known why your supporting him and say thanks for 7183. For now Cox is our friend until he proves otherwise. I certainly hope he remains pro gun and we never have to punish him.

I personally will not accept 1 transgression, you reward your friends, you hold them inline, should they dissent they must be punished and admonished to demonstrate that it is unacceptable to go the other way and get away with it without paying a price.

Please go to Cox's website and make a secure online donation asap and in the text boxes on the website make it known why your suporting him - 7183!

mikecox2006.com

Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:44:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 7:30:41 PM EDT by JoblessWonder]
Dude, I was there at that GR convention when engler and the devos family had to clear the balcony. Right after the AWB. Nice work. Very nice work! I was up front getting the word out. Wayne had the Caldeans who wanted LCC spots, I supported whatever the hell they wanted in return for guns.

Two hundred GOPers yelling "Roll Over Fred". I hit that ass engler with one of those stupid beach balls.

That was what got CCW reform through once Fat John was on his last term. He gave us the gift so we would shut up and he could get a bush post...then he couldn't even deliver Michigan for Bush.


Originally Posted By BustOff:
Quite insightful, although we did not exploit the scandal in order to push this issue with the AG. I too was the consumate single issue GOP pro gun operative for quite some time within the party. After the GOP failed to hold the Republicans in line for the AWB vote and threaten to take any dissenter down to the mat as I pushed for and almost achieved, I kinda lost faith in the party and kinda sat out the 10 years and waited for the sunset rather than work for the party that failed me at its strongest point. We held the Michigan GOP Congressional delegation together with one dissenter Congressman Fred Upton who voted for the AWB. Remember that 1 vote would have created a tie vote and 1 more vote and we would have won.

I remained in place to dole out the punishment by publicly embarassing Fred Upton at the Grand Rapids GOP Convention. I called him a traitor in handbills that were dispersed at the convention. I damn near witnessed a fist fight between another Congressman and him as we passed in the hall way and people called him a traitor. When Upton was introduced on center stage he was booed off. And I was escorted out of the convention for excercising free speech by passing out my vitriol!

I organized volunteers in Uptons district to provide 9 miles worth of bad campaign road for Upton. He may have still won re-election but it cost him plenty. He can never be trusted on a gun vote ever. I went to his DC office just prior to the vote and witnessed thuggish people in his office meeting with him. I think a deal was cut right then and there and I perhaps witnessed it first hand.

For now I am no party and I work for what I think can be had rather silently in the background until the shit hits the fan, and then people remember me. Like I knew that guy. Then the hammer drops and its a full frontal assault to take back what was taken from us with no regrets as to how it had to be taken back.

Having said that I believe in rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies. So regardless of any scandal or otherwise for now I support our AG Mike Cox 100% because he has earned it by demonstrating pro gun action period. This is why I am asking people to make a campaign contribution to Cox and volunteer support and make it known why your supporting him and say thanks for 7183. For now Cox is our friend until he proves otherwise. I certainly hope he remains pro gun and we never have to punish him.

I personally will not accept 1 transgression, you reward your friends, you hold them inline, should they dissent they must be punished and admonished to demonstrate that it is unacceptable to go the other way and get away with it without paying a price.

Please go to Cox's website and make a secure online donation asap and in the text boxes on the website make it known why your suporting him - 7183!

mikecox2006.com


Link Posted: 2/4/2006 4:00:41 AM EDT
Cox will see my (substantial for a layperson) reward when we hear him tell the feds to pound sand and I get my transfer approved.

And not a minute sooner because if this drags out and he gets called on it by the media during his next campaign he WILL turn on us. Bet on it.

All Politicians are scum. Sometimes, they do work for us though.

Dave
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 6:45:37 AM EDT
Well the ball is not really in his court anymore. Its in BATFE's. We are right and BATFE has now got to brought in kicking and screaming to face the facts. Which is why I am contacting my Congressperson Candice Miller to attempt to put the pressure on BATFE to come to Jesus. In fact my letter and package of substantial proof as to why we are right will be going to all pro gun congress persons in the state. In fact any Congressperson who has some impact on BATFE's budget.

Also The House Committee on Government Reform is doing oversight hearings on ATF starting this month, there will be at least 3 of them, and the Senate is planning oversight hearings on ATF sometime this summer. So my package will be going to the identified pro gun members of these committees.

So if we are to tell BATFE to go pound sand this is the way as the AG has already about done that. If he turns as you have said then its punishment time.

Without being somewhat active in this battle and complaining about it to your elected officials how do you expect to hold them accountable. If you don't carry a big enough stick in the form of the numbers of people in the battle how do you expect them to take you seriously.

You could very easily say what you just said on Cox's donation website by making a small contribution and making the substantial contribution when you hear him tell the fed to go pound sand. If you don't make your voice heard we are small and insignificant. I still encourage you to do what will help.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:36:23 PM EDT
I sent Cox a small donation, thanked him for opinion 7183, and included a note that he would receive a larger one when my form 1 for a silencer was approved.


I'm interested in hearing more about this infamous GOP campaign meeting - I was a young pup not quite 14 years old at the time.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:27:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jchewie:
I sent Cox a small donation, thanked him for opinion 7183, and included a note that he would receive a larger one when my form 1 for a silencer was approved.


I'm interested in hearing more about this infamous GOP campaign meeting - I was a young pup not quite 14 years old at the time.



Now, that's not a bad idea. I stupidly just blew my wad on the first go around. Oh well, I'm still went a head and sent money on a suppressor.

Jake
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:52:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 5:55:34 PM EDT by JoblessWonder]

Originally Posted By jchewie:
I sent Cox a small donation, thanked him for opinion 7183, and included a note that he would receive a larger one when my form 1 for a silencer was approved.


I'm interested in hearing more about this infamous GOP campaign meeting - I was a young pup not quite 14 years old at the time.



Clinton was using the 'divide' method to fracture the GOP party. He was in the first flush of office, with the media ten thousand percent behind him. Network news anchors, who at that point were the most listened to people in America, were literally in love with him on the air.

He was pushing england style government health care, the stripping down of of military to a global police force and meals on wheels program with lots of gays to keep the straight troops minds off warfare, and worst of all he was 100% anti gun.

He needed help in congress with some GOPers to get his anti gun stuff through because some dems, mostly southern, wouldn't vote his way. He offered major pork projects and admin appointments to those GOPers who would vote anti-gun.

Engler and the Devos (Amway) family ran GOP things back here in Michigan in those years. The Devoses loved two things, the dutch reform church and making a shit load of money without paying taxes. They don't like guns (some rumor it's because they are scared of an amway victim getting revenge). Engler likes engler and money, in that order. (as an aside, the partnership broke up over engler betraying the Devoses over christian school vouchers, and over engler turning some state party conventions in the late 90s into what looked like worship services for the engler family).

Anyhow, several Michigan GOPers bent America over for the clintons, and the worst was "Fred Upton", a GOP congressman from the Devos home power area. He traded our freedom for pork, and some rumors said control over some admin appointments.

Engler and Devos thought that was just fine with them, and arranged to have "Roll Over Fred" front and center at the state party convention that year.

The event took place halfway through the Sat session of the convention (30 second version of Michigan GOP convention--Delegates arrive Friday afternoon, most after working all week and driving three or four hours, and are plyed with booze and snacks before being shuttled to hot district meeting rooms where pols, who have taken the week off to be fresh, alternate votes for their chosen district leaders with rotating groups of state election cheerleading squads. The entire event ensures the 'correct' leaders are chosen unless some isolated full scale district revolt is going on. Later more booze is poured, and then Sat droning speechs are interspaced with policy and state and national leadership questions popped as quickly as possible with no notice inbetween, also to insure the leadership and positions the party elite wants are chosen.)

The usual pattern was followed at the convention in question, except things weren't going the leadership's way. There was an ugly muttering all Friday, and Sat, with some outbreaks of independant voting.

Engler and Betsy Devos decided to rally up the troops and get Fred Upton and all the leadership up on the stage for an old fashioned rah-rah session. It didn't work. Several hundred delegates chanted "Roll Over Fred" at the top of their lungs while waving fists, Fat boy engler finally whimped out and had the rear of the hall cleared by police. Then to regain control the Devoses started playing Rah America! music at earbleed level and dropped the hundreds of beachballs in the roof early on the crowd. We started vollyball serving them at engler and betsy.

CCW reform started being seriously discussed on a state level the next cycle, and was passed and signed when engler thought he still had a shot at a cabinet level post and didn't want another state party revolt.

Link Posted: 2/13/2006 4:45:39 AM EDT
Nice. Thanks for the information.
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