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Posted: 8/11/2007 10:45:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2007 10:46:22 AM EDT by PCR-00]
OK, so it's no secret that, at times, I can be a weapons grade idiot. My carry permit expired this week. I did go down to LESA last week and renewed it, however, they told me I'd have to wait up to 3 weeks for it in the mail...



That'll teach me.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 12:57:51 PM EDT
The arlingon department said i would get mine in 30 days but it would probably take 6-8 weeks. She said i could call after 30 and check up on it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:03:22 PM EDT
Not to rub it in but i got my permit in......oh 15 min. That will be all
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:21:23 PM EDT
I let mine expire last time. I got it in 15 minutes but it cost me extra.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 2:42:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2007 2:44:23 PM EDT by stevemc]
Did the same thing in Clark County this year. 7 days before it expired I finally made it to the Sheriff's office.

But guess what showed up the day my permit expired, yep my new renewal.

Clark County says 2 weeks, but they usually come through in less than a week.



Guess you'll be open carrying for a while....

Steve

OTOH, Oregon did renew my permit in less than 15 minutes. That included printing out a new card too.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 3:21:48 PM EDT
Actually, I think you can still carry. If you can legally carry, and have had a permit within the last 3 years then you are clear. It may be a misdemeanor, but I don't think so. You should know the RCW's better than me, Oh RCW god!

Link Posted: 8/11/2007 6:41:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HABU:
I let mine expire last time. I got it in 15 minutes but it cost me extra.


$10 extra for two days. Got it in 30 minutes.
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 7:37:27 PM EDT
My renewal arrived 2 days later in the mail. I figure the SnoCo Sherrif's Dept had it in the mail before I even left the building....
Link Posted: 8/11/2007 7:55:00 PM EDT
Here in Kitsap I go in, pay, wait a few minutes, walk out with a new one (laminated and everything).

Link Posted: 8/11/2007 8:39:48 PM EDT
We need to just eliminate permits and go to something like Vermont or Alaska has. If you can buy the gun, you can carry the gun. In plain view on your hip, thigh, concealed under a coat, in your pants, whatever.
And eliminate the restrictions on carry. Yes, to include bars. I'm not going to carry if I'm going out drinking, but I shouldn't have to disarm myself if I don't want to wait for a regular table, or if the bar is used as the waiting section of a resaurant. Ok, I accept mental hospitals and jails. Court should be room by room based on the judge in that particular courtroom. It's their room for that day.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 12:33:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2007 12:34:43 AM EDT by Stumps]
Got mine renewed, laminated and handed to me in Pierce in under 10 minutes.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 8:16:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nofoa:
The arlingon department said i would get mine in 30 days but it would probably take 6-8 weeks. She said i could call after 30 and check up on it.




Bah, they SAY that... But then it shows up a day or two later...
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 8:28:15 AM EDT
yes, there is some kinda grace period.....as long as you are not in trouble, forget the time, I thought it was 3 months.....but might be wrong



Originally Posted By libertynews:
Actually, I think you can still carry. If you can legally carry, and have had a permit within the last 3 years then you are clear. It may be a misdemeanor, but I don't think so. You should know the RCW's better than me, Oh RCW god!

Link Posted: 8/12/2007 10:18:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2007 10:27:34 AM EDT by JAFO]
RCW 9.41.050
Carrying firearms.



1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol.

(b) Every licensee shall have his or her concealed pistol license in his or her immediate possession at all times that he or she is required by this section to have a concealed pistol license and shall display the same upon demand to any police officer or to any other person when and if required by law to do so. Any violation of this subsection (1)(b) shall be a class 1 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW and shall be punished accordingly pursuant to chapter 7.80 RCW and the infraction rules for courts of limited jurisdiction.

(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.

(3)(a) A person at least eighteen years of age who is in possession of an unloaded pistol shall not leave the unloaded pistol in a vehicle unless the unloaded pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.

(b) A violation of this subsection is a misdemeanor.

(4) Nothing in this section permits the possession of firearms illegal to possess under state or federal law.


[2003 c 53 § 28; 1997 c 200 § 1; 1996 c 295 § 4; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 405; 1982 1st ex.s. c 47 § 3; 1961 c 124 § 4; 1935 c 172 § 5; RRS § 2516-5.]


Notes:
Intent -- Effective date -- 2003 c 53: See notes following RCW 2.48.180.

Finding -- Intent -- Severability -- 1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540.


Effective date -- 1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010.


Severability -- 1982 1st ex.s. c 47: See note following RCW 9.41.190.


I see no mention of the validation of the license but if I find that info I will post it. I don't think an expired license is a license, so the above penalties likely apply. The only grace period that I'm aware of is the fact that you can still renew and not have to re-apply for an original if the license has not been expired beyond 90 days (with the extra $10 fee for the late renewal).
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 10:44:11 AM EDT

RCW 9.41.070
Concealed pistol license — Application — Fee — Renewal.


(1) The chief of police of a municipality or the sheriff of a county shall within thirty days after the filing of an application of any person, issue a license to such person to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person within this state for five years from date of issue, for the purposes of protection or while engaged in business, sport, or while traveling. However, if the applicant does not have a valid permanent Washington driver's license or Washington state identification card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous consecutive ninety days, the issuing authority shall have up to sixty days after the filing of the application to issue a license. The issuing authority shall not refuse to accept completed applications for concealed pistol licenses during regular business hours.

The applicant's constitutional right to bear arms shall not be denied, unless:

(a) He or she is ineligible to possess a firearm under the provisions of RCW 9.41.040 or 9.41.045;

(b) The applicant's concealed pistol license is in a revoked status;

(c) He or she is under twenty-one years of age;

(d) He or she is subject to a court order or injunction regarding firearms pursuant to RCW 9A.46.080, 10.14.080, 10.99.040, 10.99.045, 26.09.050, 26.09.060, 26.10.040, 26.10.115, 26.26.130, 26.50.060, 26.50.070, or 26.26.590;

(e) He or she is free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal, or sentencing for a felony offense;

(f) He or she has an outstanding warrant for his or her arrest from any court of competent jurisdiction for a felony or misdemeanor; or

(g) He or she has been ordered to forfeit a firearm under RCW 9.41.098(1)(e) within one year before filing an application to carry a pistol concealed on his or her person.

No person convicted of a felony may have his or her right to possess firearms restored or his or her privilege to carry a concealed pistol restored, unless the person has been granted relief from disabilities by the secretary of the treasury under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 925(c), or RCW 9.41.040 (3) or (4) applies.

(2) The issuing authority shall check with the national crime information center, the Washington state patrol electronic data base, the department of social and health services electronic data base, and with other agencies or resources as appropriate, to determine whether the applicant is ineligible under RCW 9.41.040 or 9.41.045 to possess a firearm and therefore ineligible for a concealed pistol license. This subsection applies whether the applicant is applying for a new concealed pistol license or to renew a concealed pistol license.

(3) Any person whose firearms rights have been restricted and who has been granted relief from disabilities by the secretary of the treasury under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 925(c) or who is exempt under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 921(a)(20)(A) shall have his or her right to acquire, receive, transfer, ship, transport, carry, and possess firearms in accordance with Washington state law restored except as otherwise prohibited by this chapter.

(4) The license application shall bear the full name, residential address, telephone number at the option of the applicant, date and place of birth, race, gender, description, not more than two complete sets of fingerprints, and signature of the licensee, and the licensee's driver's license number or state identification card number if used for identification in applying for the license. A signed application for a concealed pistol license shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the department of social and health services, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release information relevant to the applicant's eligibility for a concealed pistol license to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency.

The application for an original license shall include two complete sets of fingerprints to be forwarded to the Washington state patrol.

The license and application shall contain a warning substantially as follows:


CAUTION: Although state and local laws do not differ, federal law and state law on the possession of firearms differ. If you are prohibited by federal law from possessing a firearm, you may be prosecuted in federal court. A state license is not a defense to a federal prosecution.

The license shall contain a description of the major differences between state and federal law and an explanation of the fact that local laws and ordinances on firearms are preempted by state law and must be consistent with state law. The application shall contain questions about the applicant's eligibility under RCW 9.41.040 to possess a pistol, the applicant's place of birth, and whether the applicant is a United States citizen. The applicant shall not be required to produce a birth certificate or other evidence of citizenship. A person who is not a citizen of the United States shall meet the additional requirements of RCW 9.41.170 and produce proof of compliance with RCW 9.41.170 upon application. The license shall be in triplicate and in a form to be prescribed by the department of licensing.

The original thereof shall be delivered to the licensee, the duplicate shall within seven days be sent to the director of licensing and the triplicate shall be preserved for six years, by the authority issuing the license.

The department of licensing shall make available to law enforcement and corrections agencies, in an on-line format, all information received under this subsection.

(5) The nonrefundable fee, paid upon application, for the original five-year license shall be thirty-six dollars plus additional charges imposed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that are passed on to the applicant. No other state or local branch or unit of government may impose any additional charges on the applicant for the issuance of the license.

The fee shall be distributed as follows:

(a) Fifteen dollars shall be paid to the state general fund;

(b) Four dollars shall be paid to the agency taking the fingerprints of the person licensed;

(c) Fourteen dollars shall be paid to the issuing authority for the purpose of enforcing this chapter; and

(d) Three dollars to the firearms range account in the general fund.

(6) The nonrefundable fee for the renewal of such license shall be thirty-two dollars. No other branch or unit of government may impose any additional charges on the applicant for the renewal of the license.

The renewal fee shall be distributed as follows:

(a) Fifteen dollars shall be paid to the state general fund;

(b) Fourteen dollars shall be paid to the issuing authority for the purpose of enforcing this chapter; and

(c) Three dollars to the firearms range account in the general fund.

(7) The nonrefundable fee for replacement of lost or damaged licenses is ten dollars to be paid to the issuing authority.

(8) Payment shall be by cash, check, or money order at the option of the applicant. Additional methods of payment may be allowed at the option of the issuing authority.

(9) A licensee may renew a license if the licensee applies for renewal within ninety days before or after the expiration date of the license. A license so renewed shall take effect on the expiration date of the prior license. A licensee renewing after the expiration date of the license must pay a late renewal penalty of ten dollars in addition to the renewal fee specified in subsection (6) of this section. The fee shall be distributed as follows:

(a) Three dollars shall be deposited in the *state wildlife fund and used exclusively first for the printing and distribution of a pamphlet on the legal limits of the use of firearms, firearms safety, and the preemptive nature of state law, and subsequently the support of volunteer instructors in the basic firearms safety training program conducted by the department of fish and wildlife. The pamphlet shall be given to each applicant for a license; and

(b) Seven dollars shall be paid to the issuing authority for the purpose of enforcing this chapter.

(10) Notwithstanding the requirements of subsections (1) through (9) of this section, the chief of police of the municipality or the sheriff of the county of the applicant's residence may issue a temporary emergency license for good cause pending review under subsection (1) of this section. However, a temporary emergency license issued under this subsection shall not exempt the holder of the license from any records check requirement. Temporary emergency licenses shall be easily distinguishable from regular licenses.

(11) A political subdivision of the state shall not modify the requirements of this section or chapter, nor may a political subdivision ask the applicant to voluntarily submit any information not required by this section.

(12) A person who knowingly makes a false statement regarding citizenship or identity on an application for a concealed pistol license is guilty of false swearing under RCW 9A.72.040. In addition to any other penalty provided for by law, the concealed pistol license of a person who knowingly makes a false statement shall be revoked, and the person shall be permanently ineligible for a concealed pistol license.

(13) A person may apply for a concealed pistol license:

(a) To the municipality or to the county in which the applicant resides if the applicant resides in a municipality;

(b) To the county in which the applicant resides if the applicant resides in an unincorporated area; or

(c) Anywhere in the state if the applicant is a nonresident.

[2002 c 302 § 703; 1999 c 222 § 2; 1996 c 295 § 6; 1995 c 351 § 1. Prior: 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 407; 1994 c 190 § 2; 1992 c 168 § 1; 1990 c 195 § 6; prior: 1988 c 263 § 10; 1988 c 223 § 1; 1988 c 219 § 1; 1988 c 36 § 1; 1985 c 428 § 3; 1983 c 232 § 3; 1979 c 158 § 1; 1971 ex.s. c 302 § 2; 1961 c 124 § 6; 1935 c 172 § 7; RRS § 2516-7.]



So if renewing within 90 days on either side of the expiration date, you still use the same expiration date. But it does not say for sure that you are legally covered for the 90 days.

IMHO, depending on the officer you may or may not be fine, but probably not worth the risk.

Steve
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 10:51:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By stevemc:
So if renewing within 90 days on either side of the expiration date, you still use the same expiration date. But it does not say for sure that you are legally covered for the 90 days.

IMHO, depending on the officer you may or may not be fine, but probably not worth the risk.

Steve


That's about where I am with it. The lady told me I wouldn't be legal until I got my new permit in hand. Not that I'm sure she is right, but if she thinks that, Officer Bob can think that, and I just don't need the hassle for now.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 11:03:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PCR-00:

Originally Posted By stevemc:
So if renewing within 90 days on either side of the expiration date, you still use the same expiration date. But it does not say for sure that you are legally covered for the 90 days.

IMHO, depending on the officer you may or may not be fine, but probably not worth the risk.

Steve


That's about where I am with it. The lady told me I wouldn't be legal until I got my new permit in hand. Not that I'm sure she is right, but if she thinks that, Officer Bob can think that, and I just don't need the hassle for now.


Good decision, it won't take that long to get it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 11:04:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/12/2007 11:04:51 AM EDT by Phil_in_Seattle]
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 5:12:17 PM EDT
ah it was the renewal part......for 90 days either way......my bad
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 6:18:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:

Originally Posted By stevemc:

So if renewing within 90 days on either side of the expiration date, you still use the same expiration date. But it does not say for sure that you are legally covered for the 90 days.

IMHO, depending on the officer you may or may not be fine, but probably not worth the risk.

Steve


Once the CPL expires it is expired, there is no grace period for carrying without a valid CPL. As with most things officer discretion does apply.


But just in case:



RCW 9.41.098
Forfeiture of firearms -- Disposition -- Confiscation.

(1) The superior courts and the courts of limited jurisdiction of the state may order forfeiture of a firearm which is proven to be:

(a) Found concealed on a person not authorized by RCW 9.41.060 or 9.41.070 to carry a concealed pistol: PROVIDED, That it is an absolute defense to forfeiture if the person possessed a valid Washington concealed pistol license within the preceding two years and has not become ineligible for a concealed pistol license in the interim. Before the firearm may be returned, the person must pay the past due renewal fee and the current renewal fee;


Just in case.


And anywhere around Seattle or Tacoma I wouldn't rely on officer discretion to be in your favor
Link Posted: 8/12/2007 6:54:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jonathon:
And anywhere around Seattle or Tacoma I wouldn't rely on officer discretion to be in your favor




Do you think Podunk LEOs are more in-tune with the law?

Sorry Podunk Occifers.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 7:11:28 AM EDT
I let my first one expire long enough that my second one came out as another 'original.' Then I waited long enough to renew that one that it says 'late.'

I'm looking forward to getting my act together this time around, and having an X by plain old 'renewal.' Every time I look at my current CPL, I feel scolded by that X by 'late.'

But mostly, I miss the days of the Concealed Weapons Permit. I always felt like pushing the limit and concealing an axe or a chainsaw or something. I hate the specificity of the Concealed Pistol License.
Link Posted: 8/13/2007 8:35:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2007 8:55:37 AM EDT by 45MAD]

Originally Posted By Unicorn:
We need to just eliminate permits and go to something like Vermont or Alaska has. If you can buy the gun, you can carry the gun. In plain view on your hip, thigh, concealed under a coat, in your pants, whatever.
And eliminate the restrictions on carry. Yes, to include bars. I'm not going to carry if I'm going out drinking, but I shouldn't have to disarm myself if I don't want to wait for a regular table, or if the bar is used as the waiting section of a resaurant. Ok, I accept mental hospitals and jails. Court should be room by room based on the judge in that particular courtroom. It's their room for that day.


I like all of that!!
Think of how many thugs could get popped for carrying overtly on suspicion they werren't allowed to possess...and of course, the bad guys get stuck with the delayed reaction time of digging through their clothes instead of us honest people forced to carry concealed!
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 1:59:58 AM EDT
Meh. Carry anyway, just be careful
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 10:19:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DirtyBird:
I let my first one expire long enough that my second one came out as another 'original.' Then I waited long enough to renew that one that it says 'late.'

I'm looking forward to getting my act together this time around, and having an X by plain old 'renewal.' Every time I look at my current CPL, I feel scolded by that X by 'late.'

But mostly, I miss the days of the Concealed Weapons Permit. I always felt like pushing the limit and concealing an axe or a chainsaw or something. I hate the specificity of the Concealed Pistol License.


I had to remind them at Clark Co. to mark my "late" box. The girl said "that'll be $32" and I said "no, it should be $42. It's late."

Something would be wrong if I didn't feel scolded.
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