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Posted: 5/3/2015 9:37:48 PM EDT
My 8 year old took the picture so sorry I didn't get the head. Is it a water snake or moccasin?

Link Posted: 5/3/2015 9:42:45 PM EDT
cotton mouth.
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 9:46:18 PM EDT
In your best Australian accent..."danger, danger, danger"
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:22:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cpl0313:
cotton mouth.
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This, and those suckers will come after you. Shotgun, shoot until empty.
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:22:19 PM EDT
Looks like a moccasin to me.
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:23:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cpl0313:
cotton mouth.
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Doesn't look fat enough for a cotton mouth. But, if it has a pattern, I stay away.

Flip it in the water, if it floats, it's a cotton mouth (water moccasin). Besides all the other stuff, like an actual white mouth and bad attitude.

Everybody makes fun of a Taurus Judge, but I carry one doing rounds on the farm exactly for this scenario.

Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:24:22 PM EDT
That's Mr. Moccasin to you !
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:40:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2015 10:46:01 PM EDT by chadjetlag]
Pattern looks very moccasiny to me. All the ones I have seen were shorter and fatter so I would not be 100% sure. Here is an informative leaflet
Is it a moccasin?
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:47:26 PM EDT
not enough pieces
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 10:52:19 PM EDT
If it has the markings I shoot it, plain and simple. There are plenty out there. Just be damn careful.
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 11:00:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jbdial1515:
My 8 year old took the picture <snip>
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When I was 8 my folks would have kicked my ass if I had taken a camera that close to the lake. Then they would have kicked it again for for not killing that moccasin.

My how times have changed
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 11:51:43 PM EDT
Hmmm.... at 8yo I would have probably watched it for a while. I didn't have a camera or my trusty 20 gauge yet. If I did have a camera, it would have taken a week or so to get the prints developed!

Cottonmouth / mocassin for sure!!
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 6:40:59 AM EDT
It's tough to tell without seeing the head/eyes but it looks like a non-venomous water snake to me. Cottonmouths are usually very compact or thick for their length.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 7:03:18 AM EDT
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When I was 8 my folks would have kicked my ass if I had taken a camera that close to the lake. Then they would have kicked it again for for not killing that moccasin.

My how times have changed
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Originally Posted By FT308W:
Originally Posted By jbdial1515:
My 8 year old took the picture <snip>


When I was 8 my folks would have kicked my ass if I had taken a camera that close to the lake. Then they would have kicked it again for for not killing that moccasin.

My how times have changed


At 8 years old I would have gotten my ass kicked for NOT killing it and bringing it home....

Times have changed!
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 7:32:13 AM EDT
Yea, I guess times have changed...We now have electronic devices that have cameras on them that fit in the palm of your hand...It is amazing

I also dont kick my own child's ass. I might discipline my child but I dont plan to ever KICK her butt LOL



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When I was 8 my folks would have kicked my ass if I had taken a camera that close to the lake. Then they would have kicked it again for for not killing that moccasin.

My how times have changed
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Originally Posted By FT308W:
Originally Posted By jbdial1515:
My 8 year old took the picture <snip>


When I was 8 my folks would have kicked my ass if I had taken a camera that close to the lake. Then they would have kicked it again for for not killing that moccasin.

My how times have changed

Link Posted: 5/4/2015 7:53:39 AM EDT
What area was this?
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:00:01 AM EDT
As far as the thickness of the snake, it's early in the year and they're still trying to catch up for a winter of not eating.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:00:50 AM EDT
Large public boat landing on Lake Sinclair.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:24:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
It's tough to tell without seeing the head/eyes but it looks like a non-venomous water snake to me. Cottonmouths are usually very compact or thick for their length.
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If it has "scales" like this(as in dragon like scales if you would), it's a viper. Non venomous snakes, for the most, have a scale pattern with more flat laying or smooth scales much thinner.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 10:20:16 AM EDT
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If it has "scales" like this(as in dragon like scales if you would), it's a viper. Non venomous snakes, for the most, have a scale pattern with more flat laying or smooth scales much thinner.
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Originally Posted By DHolidayWithAnAR:
Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
It's tough to tell without seeing the head/eyes but it looks like a non-venomous water snake to me. Cottonmouths are usually very compact or thick for their length.


If it has "scales" like this(as in dragon like scales if you would), it's a viper. Non venomous snakes, for the most, have a scale pattern with more flat laying or smooth scales much thinner.
water snakes have scales, non-venomous snakes below

http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/nersip.htm
Northern Water Snake
Description: Northern watersnakes range in size from 24 to 55 in (61-140 cm). They are fairly dark-colored snakes and may be brown, tan or grayish. The coloration is much more vivid in young and wet specimens. Their back and sides have a series of square blotches that alternate and may merge to form bands. Their scales are keeled and the anal plate is divided. Adult females tend to be larger than adult males. This species is often confused with the venomous cottonmouth (water moccasin), but cottonmouths have bands instead of blotches and their distribution is generally restricted to the Coastal Plain.



http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/nertax.htm
Brown Water Snake
Description: Brown Watersnakes are large -- 30-60 in (76-152 cm) –- fairly heavy-bodied semi-aquatic snakes. Coloration is generally light to dark brown with large dark brown square blotches. One line of square blotches runs down center of the dorsum and two other lines run in alternating rows along the sides of the body. The belly is usually light with brown splotches and black crescents. Like all natricine watersnakes, brown watersnakes have strongly keeled scales; anal plate divided; head visibly wider than neck, giving it a slightly triangular appearance. Brown watersnakes have narrower heads than other watersnakes in our region. Additionally, the eyes are high on the head and close to the tip of the nose. Females are much larger than males.



Link Posted: 5/4/2015 10:47:30 AM EDT
The snake in the OP looks to me more like a either Midland, Northern or Brown Water Snake to me than it does a Cottonmouth. It's hard to tell for sure without seeing the head.

The pattern on the snake looks 'broken' similar to water snakes whereas the pattern on a cottonmouth is more 'continuous' down the sides. I'm talking about vertically from the top of it's back towards the belly. Also, cottonmouths usually have a very thick body with a skinny tail at the very end.

Cottonmouth Photos




I'm not a herpetologist and I may be completely wrong. I have known this guy for most of my life and I've learned a little bit about native snakes over the years. I think non-venomous water snakes are constantly confused for actual cottonmouths. They do look real similar and it's hard to tell, especially if you only get a glimpse of them or their moving. Cottonmouths are mean, nasty, terrible snakes. They're very defensive to the point of seeming aggressive. I had a dog that was bitten 3 times by a cottonmouth once. Luckily the dog lived. I would kill a cottonmouth without hesitation in my yard.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 11:06:14 AM EDT
Yeah I'm not an expert either by any means, just my opinion. Lol. I just always caught every snake that I found that wasnt venomous and the one that were I killed and checked out. Always seemed the scales on vipers were more segmented and pointy shaped instead of more flat to the body like a black snake or python. Those pics above do look more segmented though, but yeah all snakes have scales.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 11:10:37 AM EDT
Brown water snake and they are agressive bastards with a nasty attitude.

The snake appears darker in color because it's wet.

td
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 4:09:54 PM EDT
Yeah its a water snake. Sometimes its hard to tell, but based on its length, its old, and cottonmouths get really more fat than they are long.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 7:03:45 PM EDT
Any snake in the water is automatically a moccasin.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:41:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GAcop:
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Lol. My stepdad says any snake that can't get away before he finds a weapon is a dead snake. Saw him put several 12g 00buck into a rat snake one day while swimming, had no idea why he was headed off the deck with a pump until it was too late.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 9:24:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
Originally Posted By DHolidayWithAnAR:
Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
It's tough to tell without seeing the head/eyes but it looks like a non-venomous water snake to me. Cottonmouths are usually very compact or thick for their length.


If it has "scales" like this(as in dragon like scales if you would), it's a viper. Non venomous snakes, for the most, have a scale pattern with more flat laying or smooth scales much thinner.
water snakes have scales, non-venomous snakes below

http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/nersip.htm
Northern Water Snake
Description: Northern watersnakes range in size from 24 to 55 in (61-140 cm). They are fairly dark-colored snakes and may be brown, tan or grayish. The coloration is much more vivid in young and wet specimens. Their back and sides have a series of square blotches that alternate and may merge to form bands. Their scales are keeled and the anal plate is divided. Adult females tend to be larger than adult males. This species is often confused with the venomous cottonmouth (water moccasin), but cottonmouths have bands instead of blotches and their distribution is generally restricted to the Coastal Plain.
http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/pics/nersip3.jpg http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/pics/nersip5.jpg


http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/nertax.htm
Brown Water Snake
Description: Brown Watersnakes are large -- 30-60 in (76-152 cm) –- fairly heavy-bodied semi-aquatic snakes. Coloration is generally light to dark brown with large dark brown square blotches. One line of square blotches runs down center of the dorsum and two other lines run in alternating rows along the sides of the body. The belly is usually light with brown splotches and black crescents. Like all natricine watersnakes, brown watersnakes have strongly keeled scales; anal plate divided; head visibly wider than neck, giving it a slightly triangular appearance. Brown watersnakes have narrower heads than other watersnakes in our region. Additionally, the eyes are high on the head and close to the tip of the nose. Females are much larger than males.
http://srelherp.uga.edu/snakes/pics/nertax1.jpg




Thanks for posting!! I thought for sure a cotton mouth. I didn't know much about the brown water snake, but I know more know! Water snake!
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