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Posted: 10/26/2010 7:42:51 PM EDT
HIDALGO COUNTY––  Small.  Deadly. Spikes are being used more often to harm police.

"Punching out a couple tires is no big deal but when you do it at 60 or 70 mph you can very easily kill the deputy behind the wheel," said Sheriff Lupe Trevino, Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Wants-Homemade-Spikes-Classified-as/-SsYELpxX0-_nvIvZuuQTA.cspx
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:34:23 PM EDT
Well then, we should ban nails and broken glass, too...

Oh yeh, and don't forget motor oil - Putting some of that stuff on the road will make a police cruiser crash real quick!
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 4:29:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2010 4:34:35 AM EDT by Catman2]
Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
HIDALGO COUNTY––  Small.  Deadly. Spikes are being used more often to harm police.

"Punching out a couple tires is no big deal but when you do it at 60 or 70 mph you can very easily kill the deputy behind the wheel," said Sheriff Lupe Trevino, Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Wants-Homemade-Spikes-Classified-as/-SsYELpxX0-_nvIvZuuQTA.cspx


Are we talking about roofing nails?

Are deputies the only ones that are at risk or is the public also vulnerable?
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:28:07 AM EDT
"If the spikes can get classified as a deadly weapon, it would allow
officers to return the "deadly force" during pursuits. Sheriff Trevino
says that could make them re-think the way they chase."



How do they "know" the bad guy has spikes until deployed?

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:29:05 AM EDT
Just another lazy political hack who is trying to avoid any actual police work by adding another "tool" for law enforcement.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:14:11 AM EDT
I understand his complaint that it can make a cruiser crash....However, wouldn't that mean they are endangering inncoent people when they use road spikes during a pursuit?  I know they can use deadly force in pursuit of a felon.  

Doesn't criminal negligence mean the should have known that using spikes could harm inncoent people?  Just double standards, nothing to see here.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:37:49 AM EDT
Im torn...

On the one hand, I cant really see how the average law abiding person would be needing spike strips.

On the other, its more of the tired old hypocritical "they arent dangerous in our hands because we are trained"  elitist speak. We hear the same thing about handguns, military pattern rifles, tasers, pepper spray, etc etc.

Its dangerous and must be outlawed, but if the police use it then its a vital tool to help bring chases to a safe end.
The same argument could (and has) been made about firearms.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:46:34 AM EDT
When roofing nails are outlawed, only migrant roofers will have nails.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:13:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:
Im torn...

On the one hand, I cant really see how the average law abiding person would be needing spike strips.

On the other, its more of the tired old hypocritical "they arent dangerous in our hands because we are trained"  elitist speak. We hear the same thing about handguns, military pattern rifles, tasers, pepper spray, etc etc.

Its dangerous and must be outlawed, but if the police use it then its a vital tool to help bring chases to a safe end.
The same argument could (and has) been made about firearms.


First of all, this country is not about what people need.  But the spikes in the article did not look kike the hollow spikes police use that deflate tires slowly.  These look like the were made out of big nails.

Second, just about anything can be turned into a deadly weapon with enough ingenuity.  Have you seen what inmates can do with a damn plastic spoon or bic pen on Lockup?

If we really want to become more like England, where they consider some spring powered pellet guns to be firearms, then we need to ban all stores like Home Depot because each one contains hundreds if not thousands of (potential) deadly weapons.

[/rant]
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 8:20:33 AM EDT
There is no list of deadly weapons in the penal code.  There is no place for spikes to be "listed" as deadly weapons.  The sheriff needs to educate himself.  

Here is the definition of "deadly weapon"

"17)  "Deadly weapon" means:

(A)  a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B)  anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury."

In the manner of their use the definition already applies.

Hit a baseball with a baseball bat, not a deadly weapon; swing that bat at me, deadly weapoon.  Mark on my arm with an ink pen, not a deadly weapon; try to shove that pen in my neck, deadly weapon.

Throw spikes at my car to try to make me crash; deadly weapon.    There ya go Sheriff, did it for ya.   lol


And DPS and the Border Patrol have nothing to do with classifying things.  

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 8:24:32 AM EDT
Just remind him that he's allowed to shoot people who try to kill him or his officers.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:10:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2010 11:11:29 AM EDT by Ming_The_Merciless]
Originally Posted By Civis_Romanus_sum:
When roofing nails are outlawed, only migrant roofers will have nails.


"You can have my nails only when you pry them from my cold dead hands"  -  The J-man

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 4:23:50 PM EDT
Be on the lookout for.....




Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:27:26 PM EDT
Does that mean that his deputies are using deadly force when they use spike strips?

Jim
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:30:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2010 6:30:55 PM EDT by Ming_The_Merciless]
Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:
Originally Posted By Civis_Romanus_sum:
When roofing nails are outlawed, only migrant roofers will have nails.


In the Spirit of Charlton Heston...

"You can have my nails when you pry them from my cold dead hands"  -  The J-man



Am I going to Hell for that one?

Seriously, W.T.F. is up with that Sheriff...

Does he really have that much of problem with so many criminals spike stripping his cars he wants to criminalize possession of plain ol' nails...
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 7:31:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:
Originally Posted By Civis_Romanus_sum:
When roofing nails are outlawed, only migrant roofers will have nails.


"You can have my nails only when you pry them from my cold dead hands"  -  The J-man



You can have my roofing nails when you pry them from an old roof I'm replacing.

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 8:07:03 PM EDT
The devices used are not roofing nails, they are caltrops. And, yes, he does have a big problem with them. The cartel smugglers bring loads over, and as they speed away from the Rio Grande, if they are intercepted, they speed back to the river. They toss the devices out as they are pursued,this happens frequently.
You can imagine the frustration of the local ( and underfunded ) departments as they have to constantly buy new sets of tires.
It is different in the Valley, yesterday they had a cartel smuggler pursuit, as they caught up, a second car ( cartel folks on this side ) blocked the road with another car to allow the smuggler car time to unload and the occupants to disappear.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 8:41:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2010 9:11:57 PM EDT by Ming_The_Merciless]
You would think that a large quantity of 7.62 NATO or better yet .50 cal liberally applied to the Drug Smugglers (and / or their vehicles) would get the point clear to them that running from the US Police is a VERY Bad Idea.  

Guess the Sheriff would like some M-113s to catch the bad guys.  

No Flats there with Tracks and it would make a good carrier for a .50 and some 7.62s in ACAV configuration.  

USA.Gov is giving them away to locals, so why not?

Maybe land owners / law should sprinkle some of those Caltrops at the Mexican Drug Crossing Points to beat the Cartel to the punch.  Can't be much fun to have F-250 full of drugs on the USA side and then find Juan has no rubber remaining for the road...

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 8:46:09 PM EDT


That game was the shit. I can't tell you how many quarters I spent on that and Joust... Simpler times, my friend.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 11:08:22 AM EDT
This deserves an update - Today the Sheriff's department goes to the house of the folks who made the caltrops, the folks weren't there, the news film crew said the neighbors " knew nothing ".
While the news crew is filming, they noticed a pickup with two guys eyeballing the whole operation. They thought it suspicious enough to write down the license plate, and give it to the officers. Plate comes back as stolen out of Houston.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriffs-Deputies-Raid-a-Sullivan-City-Home/Qyw5cnXM0UyCawtc9HM71w.cspx
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 11:14:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By txinvestigator:
There is no list of deadly weapons in the penal code.  There is no place for spikes to be "listed" as deadly weapons.  The sheriff needs to educate himself.  

Here is the definition of "deadly weapon"

"17)  "Deadly weapon" means:

(A)  a firearm or anything manifestly designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting death or serious bodily injury; or

(B)  anything that in the manner of its use or intended use is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury."

In the manner of their use the definition already applies.

Hit a baseball with a baseball bat, not a deadly weapon; swing that bat at me, deadly weapoon.  Mark on my arm with an ink pen, not a deadly weapon; try to shove that pen in my neck, deadly weapon.

Throw spikes at my car to try to make me crash; deadly weapon.    There ya go Sheriff, did it for ya.   lol


And DPS and the Border Patrol have nothing to do with classifying things.  



totally agree, same law makes it were they can shoot a driver of a vehicle when they do not stop. (Chase or escape).

the vehicle within itself is a deadly weapon.  no need to outlaw something.  train the police in that department to shoot better.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 1:12:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2010 1:14:00 PM EDT by ex_dsmr]
Originally Posted By Cremora:
Originally Posted By ex_dsmr:
Im torn...

On the one hand, I cant really see how the average law abiding person would be needing spike strips.

On the other, its more of the tired old hypocritical "they arent dangerous in our hands because we are trained"  elitist speak. We hear the same thing about handguns, military pattern rifles, tasers, pepper spray, etc etc.

Its dangerous and must be outlawed, but if the police use it then its a vital tool to help bring chases to a safe end.
The same argument could (and has) been made about firearms.


First of all, this country is not about what people need.  But the spikes in the article did not look kike the hollow spikes police use that deflate tires slowly.  These look like the were made out of big nails.

Second, just about anything can be turned into a deadly weapon with enough ingenuity.  Have you seen what inmates can do with a damn plastic spoon or bic pen on Lockup?

If we really want to become more like England, where they consider some spring powered pellet guns to be firearms, then we need to ban all stores like Home Depot because each one contains hundreds if not thousands of (potential) deadly weapons.

[/rant]


Oh cool your jets junior. If youd actually read everything that I wrote youd see that I think the sheriff is mentally deficient with a fervor.
Link Posted: 10/28/2010 6:16:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Catman2:
Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
HIDALGO COUNTY––  Small.  Deadly. Spikes are being used more often to harm police.

"Punching out a couple tires is no big deal but when you do it at 60 or 70 mph you can very easily kill the deputy behind the wheel," said Sheriff Lupe Trevino, Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Wants-Homemade-Spikes-Classified-as/-SsYELpxX0-_nvIvZuuQTA.cspx


Are we talking about roofing nails?

Are deputies the only ones that are at risk or is the public also vulnerable?


It's an ongoing problem down here.  On one drug run they spiked 7 non-LE vehicles.  Other times they spike Border Patrol and  local LE vehicles.  

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/ebanos-43848-pot-pounds.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/agents-42994-border-seized.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/havana-33355-area-recent.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/smugglers-35165-concern-spikes.html

http://www.themonitor.com/news/spikes-35527-authorities-sullivan.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/remains-39234-agents-road.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/patrol-37759-border-smugglers.html








Link Posted: 10/28/2010 9:22:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2010 9:23:51 PM EDT by Crito]
Originally Posted By brushdog:
Originally Posted By Catman2:
Originally Posted By texashomeserver:
HIDALGO COUNTY––  Small.  Deadly. Spikes are being used more often to harm police.

"Punching out a couple tires is no big deal but when you do it at 60 or 70 mph you can very easily kill the deputy behind the wheel," said Sheriff Lupe Trevino, Hidalgo County Sheriff's Office.

http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Wants-Homemade-Spikes-Classified-as/-SsYELpxX0-_nvIvZuuQTA.cspx


Are we talking about roofing nails?

Are deputies the only ones that are at risk or is the public also vulnerable?


It's an ongoing problem down here.  On one drug run they spiked 7 non-LE vehicles.  Other times they spike Border Patrol and  local LE vehicles.  

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/ebanos-43848-pot-pounds.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/agents-42994-border-seized.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/havana-33355-area-recent.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/smugglers-35165-concern-spikes.html

http://www.themonitor.com/news/spikes-35527-authorities-sullivan.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/remains-39234-agents-road.html

http://www.themonitor.com/articles/patrol-37759-border-smugglers.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/Tomtx/Spikes.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v364/Tomtx/Spikes2.jpg






The drug people are looking at least 10 yrs min for drug trafficing.  Not much you can do.  seriously, they are already comminting a felony.
Link Posted: 10/29/2010 10:09:16 AM EDT
But if we pass a law saying they can't do that, then that new law will stop them from committing any crimes...

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