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9/22/2017 12:11:25 AM
Posted: 3/7/2006 7:41:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 7:43:40 PM EDT by Photai]
You are a hell of a guy.

You always post pictures of your decadent excesses...the home, the playroom, the motorcycles, the cigars, the booze, etc. Then you enlist the basically free help of generous members here to clear out your big $$$ retirement property up on the Rim.

And then you have the audacity to hose those good local members on Wolf ammo for $180 a case?!

I even remember you mentioning awhile back about how you were glad you stocked up back when Wolf was ~$79 a case.

Nice.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=91&t=333974

"... Wolf Performance Ammunition

122 grain, steel case, non-corrosive, berdan primed.

(½ case) 500 rounds - $95
(1 case) 1000 - $180
2 or more cases $175/1000"
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:10:03 PM EDT
So what? He's not forcing you to buy it. If you don't like the price just let him keep it.

This is America for God's sakes, the home of capatilism. I've got some stuff I bought when it was dirt cheap too. It took up space in my house, I had to cart it around when I moved and if I sell it you can bet your butt I'll ask the going rate for it.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:20:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 8:22:15 PM EDT by hobbs5624]
Disclaimer: I don't know WW, don't have an opinion, and I'm not vouching for him nor putting him down.

If a guy is proud of his decadent excesses, enlists the free help of a bunch of guys, and decides to sell his stash of ammo for more than twice what he paid, so what?

When I read this post, my first thought is that WW is being greedy. My second thought is that the world is full of greedy people and that is their prerogative. My next thought is that only he knows whether or not he is selling ammo he bought for $79/case for $180/case, or if perhaps he is selling different ammo he bought that cost more. I'm willing to gie him the benefit of the doubt.

Either way, can you blame a guy that had the forsight to stock up on ammo, putting his time and money into it, and selling it for a profit? It's akin to getting mad at a guy for selling his house at a greatly inflated price when the real estate market skyrockets. Like I said, I don't know him, and I could really care less if he is selling ammo for a huge profit, no profit, etc.

What I find more pathetic is a guy who has to get on a public forum and whine about someone else's conduct. If you really find what he is doing so distasteful, why not take it up with him privately, instead of crying sour grapes? We're all adults here, and posting a thread like this is no different than stomping his for sale thread, except it's in a different place. So, thanks for coming over and showing your true colors. You're a hell of a guy.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:25:40 PM EDT
Yeah, I understand the whole capitalism thing. Scalping and gouging people is wrong, yet always gets defended in the name of capitalism. My point is he could have shared the love and offered a DECENT deal to the locals that helped him out. He's actually was selling it for MORE than you could get it for online.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:30:23 PM EDT
I'm just voicing my opinion. No sour grapes. I don't even own a rifle that shoots that caliber.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:33:51 PM EDT
Wow, and I thought this would digress into a mudslinging fest. Looks like you're a level headed decent guy afterall. Regardless, if he is being greedy with the locals, they'll figure it out. On the other hand, if he's a great guy who is just taking advantage of a good investment of time and money, his reputation with everyone here will reflect that.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:48:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 9:28:31 PM EDT by Winston_Wolf]

Originally Posted By Photai:
You are a hell of a guy.



... Sorry Warren, it all been sold now .

... Until that "elusive shipment" comes in from Russia, we all suffer some.

... Dude, you know what I do for a living; do you actually think I need to jack-up the locals here for a few bucks to pay my bills? You're fucked up worse than your current reputation if that's that case.

... Go buy some dies from Dillon or shit your own ammo if you don't like my prices (see capitalism).

... WTF part of supply & demand didn't you understand in High School "Free Enterprise".

... Is easy man, either the price is too high and I use ammo for bookends or it sells

... Seriously dude, WTF ???

... And "decadent excesses"

... WTF? I am "average" income at best. Maybe, I just manage my finances better than some.

... Still, I'm a bit disturbed by your direct attack on me. Those folks here on the site, and elsewhere, that know me, know that I am anything but selfish or stingy - perhaps you should spend more time at my home (open to most) and discovered this for yourself before passing judgment.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:34:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 9:39:21 PM EDT by Photai]

Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:

... Dude, you know what I do for a living; do you actually think I need to jack-up the locals here for a few bucks to pay my bills?

I know you don't need the money. So why did you jack-up the locals then?

... Go buy some dies from Dillon and roll-yer'-own or shit your own ammo if you don't like my prices (see capitalism).

I already explained that. I didn't want your ammo for any price, and I do roll my own, thank you.

... WTF part of supply & demand didn't you understand in High School "Free Enterprise".

Online sources have been selling the stuff from time to time for $150/case or less. I took the necessary Econ classes in college. Spare me the lesson.

... And "decadent excesses"

... WTF? I am "average" income at best. Maybe, I just manage my finances better than some.

Make no mistake. This is not some socialist jealousy thing. This is disgust.

... Still, I'm a bit disturbed by your direct attack on me. Those folks here on the site, and elsewhere, that know me, know that I am anything but selfish or stingy - perhaps you should have spent more time at my place (open to most) or at the mountain spot and found out for yourself before passing judgment.

Which is why I made this post. Everyone here seems to love you and think you're a great guy. Your taking advantage of the current and temporary 7.62 shortage tells me otherwise, especially after all the goodwill you've received here.



Maybe I shouldn't have posted this publicly.....but what the heck do I care? After all, my "current reputation" is all f***ed up anyway.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:53:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 9:53:56 PM EDT by Winston_Wolf]

Originally Posted By Photai:

... all the goodwill you've received here. Find one man or woman that regrets any time spent helping me up north and I'll hand you a conciliation

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this publicly... You think? - "It's better to be silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt"

... is all f***ed up anyway. 4 U maybe

Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:05:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Photai:
You are a hell of a guy.

You always post pictures of your decadent excesses...the home, the playroom, the motorcycles, the cigars, the booze, etc. Then you enlist the basically free help of generous members here to clear out your big $$$ retirement property up on the Rim.

And then you have the audacity to hose those good local members on Wolf ammo for $180 a case?!

I even remember you mentioning awhile back about how you were glad you stocked up back when Wolf was ~$79 a case.

Nice.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=91&t=333974

"... Wolf Performance Ammunition

122 grain, steel case, non-corrosive, berdan primed.

(½ case) 500 rounds - $95
(1 case) 1000 - $180
2 or more cases $175/1000"



Hey Dude...in case you haven't been paying attention the current prices for wolf ammo are exactly what he's asking. You might find it a little lower or a little higher but that's the price. Not only that but most if not all places are out of it right now. If I needed some and I was out and no one else had any at a cheaper price I'd be buying it from WW.
Back in "the day" When I bought Chinese AK Drum Magazines for $29 each from J&G sales here in AZ and then the ban was in effect and slowly prices went up to a staggering $150-$200 each should I have sold mine for $29 each? Who really needs to make a dollar these days anyway. Truthfully I sold mine for over $130 each and made myself about $500 profit in a short time. Then who would have thought the ban would sunset and bring the price back down again, or did it? Now there is an import ban on them and they are scarce again and the prices are about $120-$150 for a 75rd Chinese Drum and guess what? I paid $260 for two of them. It's called supply & Demand! Deal with it! But to attack the guy here publicly only makes you look bad Sir because we all know Steve and we don't have a problem with it. You obviously don't know know him. So mind your own business and stay the fuck out of the Arizona forums! Go bitch about the cost of gasoline or something in your own hometown forum!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 10:45:06 PM EDT
Photai-
Are you a home owner? Has your home gone up in value since you bought it? Are you willing to sell it for anything less than market value? If you sold it today for market value and made $100k are you an a-hole?

Kevin
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 11:19:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 11:56:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Garryowen:
I was there and I know that I can call Mr. Wolf DAY OR NIGHT at ANYTIME and if I need him, he will appear as if by magic.

Sounds kinky. I wouldn't know about ghey stuff.

where is the "hosing" you speak of?

That would probably be in your bedroom when he magically appears.




I guess Winston was right about my 'current reputation' around here!

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:02:57 AM EDT
There's a sucker born every minute. - D. Hannum
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:44:32 AM EDT
Wow, folks, calm down a minute.

I just sold all my ammo for less than I paid for it ($10 for a WWB of 44 mag, 8mm $1 per 15, Garand ammo for less than AIM, etc). In fact, I just gave a member here 2,000 rounds of 5.45x39 for $125 per k, which is exactly what I paid for it; and no, I was not there when WW asked for help up north. In fact, I have never met the man.

But why is it anyone's business what I sell or for how much? Seriously, think about this for a minute and follow me here:

On the surface, WW looks like a dick. Ammo twice the value due to a shortage, and he takes advantage of the shortage to make a screaming profit from the very guys he associates with locally.

But let's face it: ammo is not a NEED, it is an expensive hobby. If there was a homeless member and he had the last apartment in AZ and doubled the rent, yeah, he'd be a dick. Whate he's charging for AMMO, however, is a simple matter: take it if you can afford it. If you are going to go hungry because you buy the ammo, the shame is on you for not managing your money properly, not him.

I own a correct grade Garand. If you want to buy it, it'll cost you $1,200 - twice what I paid for it. Does that make me a dick? No. Why? Because it is mine and right now, correct grade Garands are going for that price for the quality of my rifle. Lots of people have helped me out, but I'm not about to sell them a $1,200 rifle for the $600 deal I got on it. And I'm not a greedy person at all. Not only did I sell the ammo listed above, I GAVE another member here a Mauser simply because that member loved it.

My stuff, my right to do with it as I please.

Do I personally think WW is asking too much money? Yes. Do I think he should give the AZHTF members a break? Yes. Would I buy it at that price? If I had the money and wanted the ammo, yes.

What you call shame on is nothing more than a group of guys agreeing on a price for an item that can't be found anywhere else right now.

You have a right to your opinion, and the right to express it here, in public. I have a right to mine, too, and I think it is the immature and insecure person that has to have his hand on the paddle that stirs the bucket of shit. Do you really give a damn about the AZ members here? No. You're just seeking attention.

If you care so much about us getting ripped off, then sell me some 7.62 for what you paid for it. I don't see you trying to right a wrong, I see you flapping at the gums for no reason other than to stir shit. Prove me wrong by offering me some ammo at cost. If you can't or won't, then shut up - or put up. To do otherwise would make you a hypocrite.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:46:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 4:46:37 AM EDT by thebeekeeper1]
We don't "call out" members.
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