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Posted: 12/14/2006 11:44:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 3:41:33 AM EST
Tag!

(incase we can organize a debate with Innocent_bystander on the Harold Fisch shooting and the A.R.S. - A cage match if you will!)
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 10:23:13 AM EST
myself and my fiance will almost certainly attend. please update as more details become available as far as what sort of training you might be offering.
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 1:33:34 PM EST
wouldn't miss this for the world
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 2:49:47 PM EST
well, that will teach me to not stay logged in at cav.
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 3:14:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 4:13:00 PM EST
So what part of Arizona is this in?
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 5:10:01 PM EST
I'll be there.
Link Posted: 12/15/2006 7:50:57 PM EST

well, that will teach me to not stay logged in at cav.



You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. you must be cautious...
Link Posted: 12/16/2006 7:34:05 AM EST
I could teach you how to throw things out of your car at motorist who cut you off and chase them down. Also im a good arrow flinger...............inside joke, those of you who know it, its funny.

Its in Gilbert at the CAV arms shop.
Link Posted: 12/16/2006 9:47:17 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2006 4:56:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By AK101:

well, that will teach me to not stay logged in at cav.



You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. you must be cautious...




They should play "that" music in the shop!
Link Posted: 12/17/2006 3:12:35 PM EST
Is there any way to send email updates? Do you guys have a database or anything where you send out emails with specials, and upcoming events? I always want to attend the classes that you put on, but wind up forgetting. I am at azoutdoorsman@yahoo.com, put me on your list of there is one, thanks!
Link Posted: 12/18/2006 10:00:48 AM EST
Sweet, I'll go.

Should I wear a cup?
Link Posted: 12/19/2006 6:04:54 PM EST
Sounds interesting.
Link Posted: 12/20/2006 9:22:31 PM EST
I am interested. Will try to bring my wife.
Link Posted: 12/21/2006 1:13:14 AM EST
Count me in, possibly for two.
Link Posted: 1/22/2007 8:11:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/23/2007 4:31:22 AM EST
Count me in for at least one - I'll update with how many more (if any) I'll bring.
Link Posted: 1/23/2007 10:52:52 AM EST
tag..... interested in attending with my wife.
Link Posted: 1/26/2007 9:34:59 AM EST
tag
Link Posted: 1/26/2007 1:48:32 PM EST
Do you have daycare?
Link Posted: 1/26/2007 1:58:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/27/2007 3:34:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Garryowen:
Actually... I have a 2 year old down here every day


Good Grief! Your kid is already 2????

Having kids makes the years FLY BY!
Link Posted: 1/27/2007 4:02:02 PM EST
Tag.
Link Posted: 2/13/2007 9:16:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/18/2007 8:59:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 4:28:03 AM EST
Going to try to get over there...I have a few things going on Saturday.

Shawn....
Might need some baby tips from you soon! The Wife is 3 months prego!

-John
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 5:19:17 AM EST
Maybe after the FoF training you can do a tactical father skills class as my wife is also 3 months pregnant with our first child.
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 7:17:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/19/2007 2:03:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By Garryowen:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
Do you have daycare?


Actually... I have a 2 year old down here every day...So I have a pack-n-play, jolly-jumper and a changing station on hand (as well as juice boxes and kids snacks)

I accept your offer for full service! Will the changing station support 170lbs?
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 9:10:37 AM EST
Also, with Cav offering up a selection of medical equipment, I will be bringing an assortment of pouches that can be used with them, and offering a same-day discount on them for those that purchase med supplies from Cav.
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 5:22:01 PM EST
where you located and what time this starting?
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 5:52:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By arizonajeff:
where you located and what time this starting?



723 W Commerce Ave, Suite A
Gilbert, AZ 85204


Even starts at around noon or 1pm, with Marc Victor having his talk at 2pm.
Link Posted: 2/20/2007 7:29:56 PM EST
Just sent my buddy a link to this thread. Maybe he can make it.
Link Posted: 2/21/2007 3:48:40 AM EST
#%$^%&#@#%% I hate my graveyard work shift!!!

Looks like I will miss out again!! #$%$@#!

Oh well, probably losing my job in April anyway. We'll see then.

@@#$^$&*%$ damn it!
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 7:02:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By TimW:
Also, with Cav offering up a selection of medical equipment, I will be bringing an assortment of pouches that can be used with them, and offering a same-day discount on them for those that purchase med supplies from Cav.


Tim,
if you bring a Maxpedition Rollypoly in OD or Tan i'll buy one (or two maybe!).
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 7:36:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By 62nd_Assassin:

Originally Posted By TimW:
Also, with Cav offering up a selection of medical equipment, I will be bringing an assortment of pouches that can be used with them, and offering a same-day discount on them for those that purchase med supplies from Cav.


Tim,
if you bring a Maxpedition Rollypoly in OD or Tan i'll buy one (or two maybe!).


I'll have plenty. :)
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 7:45:21 AM EST
Once again, I'll bring the ass whoopins.............. who's first in line? Russell???? I got my soup ladel!!!
Link Posted: 2/22/2007 10:06:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By scottmilk9:
Once again, I'll bring the ass whoopins.............. who's first in line? Russell???? I got my soup ladel!!!

Will there be [soup] Nazi memorabilia there?
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 8:30:06 AM EST
OK, in addition to medical pouches, I am bringing a good selection of Maxpedition pouches, some Camelbaks (and separate reservoirs). I'll also have my "Make me an offer" bin, where no reasonable offer will be refused.

Additionally, I have an overstock of Magpul "Classic" magpul loops that I will be moving for a great price....I have AR (5.56) in Tan only and 7.62 version in Black only.

I'll also have some Tango down grips, some small lights and some other survival things.

Hope to see you there!!
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:27:24 PM EST
Tim, you takin credit cards or should i roll with cash?
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:38:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By 62nd_Assassin:
Tim, you takin credit cards or should i roll with cash?


Yes. :)

Cash is best, though I accept Visa/MC/Amex just fine.
Link Posted: 2/23/2007 4:39:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By 62nd_Assassin:
Tim, you takin credit cards or should i roll with cash?


Yes. :)

Cash is best, though I accept Visa/MC/Amex just fine.
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 3:28:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/24/2007 3:28:37 AM EST by Garryowen]
Link Posted: 2/24/2007 5:51:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By Garryowen:

I have 40 in stock


you better have a few set aside for me or i'm showing up with 40's and Mad Dog
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 9:02:46 PM EST
You guys that didn't show for this missed out.

Once again the Cav crew put out big time for the locals, and some of you just let it slide.

We got discussion on the new Med products they are carrying.

About an hour discussion from Marc Victor, one of the best Criminal Defense attorneys in the area, and more than that, he Gets 2A. This amounted to about a $100 consultation for Free.

Then anyone that wanted to got to run through a Force-on-Force scenario put on my one of the instructors from LMS. You guys missed your chance to shoot me.

They provided Hamburgers, Donuts, Sodas, etc.

Then later is was beer an movies for those that wanted to stick around.

Thanks to the Cav Crew, Marc Victor, Yancy from LMS, and anyone else that helped.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 9:04:22 PM EST
Here's my review on the FoF Demo:

Force on Force Demo
Cav Arms Open House
Saturday, February 24, 2007

At the Cav Arms open house, Yancey Harrington of LMS Defense training company had a brief Force on Force demonstration that anyone could participate in. To say it was eye-opening is a slight understatement.

Though the scenario didn’t quite make sense in terms of how it unfolded, what happened could easily have occurred to any of us given the general idea surrounding the "situation."

Obviously, since this scenario could very well be used again, I am not going to describe what happened or how it happened.

Lessons Learned.
Though to me the scenario didn’t make sense as described, this is something we all do. Depending on the circumstances (time of day, location, etc.), I might have just NOT gone to where they said I was/what I was doing. But since that didn’t occur to me as this was a Force-on-Force demo, I didn’t exercise that option. From my scenario participation and watching the other participants, here are some lessons I took away from it.

1. Keep your situation awareness about you. Anyone can look like they belong in the setting. Do not let someone asking a question completely distract you. This is where most folks went wrong. We all want to be nice people, but don’t let someone’s ruse fool you. If they were really looking for your assistance, and you upset them by not helping, too bad. You can be rude, or you can be dead. Your choice.

2. PRACTICE with the equipment you carry. One participant couldn’t get the gun out of the holster, even though it was open-carry. Know your equipment and how it works, preferably under stress. Open carry was definitely faster than concealed (with the one exception). Though I didn't watch this scenario, one participant was able to get his concealed pistol out, but it took him much longer than usual, he said, due to trying to draw while moving. The dynamic action interfered with his presentation.

3. Square range rules do not work on the streets. Though this was merely a short demo, one of the role-players said this was EXACTLY how he was mugged. Most predators work in pairs, and you may very well have a 360-degree "range" you have to defend.

4. Be a "defensive driver". By this I mean, true defensive drivers will always have a plan…an out…that they can use if something bad happens (like a wreck in front of them). Several people, when hearing the person coming up from behind, turned around and backed up into the wall. Their avenues of escape were cut off, and they were the ones who died.

5. Remember, shooting may not be the only option. It wasn’t until I was driving home later than night that I found a solution that might have avoided me shooting the bad guy. Would it have worked? I don’t know, but if it had, I wouldn’t have shot him, though I’d be financially and otherwise inconvenienced for a couple of weeks.

6. Actions have consequences. Understand that carrying a defensive weapon does NOT mean you will come away unscathed. Also, know you may very well end up charged with a crime for shooting a bad guy. But you have to weigh “is going to court better than being dead?” Only you can answer that.

All I can say is this was a great opportunity to put into play all that I've learned, or thought I learned, over the years. Thought the scenario went well for me, it could easily have been bad.

Running through possible situations is like practicing for the big game...though in this instance, you hope that Big Game never comes. But you don't rise to the occasion...you sink to the level of your competence. And it showed for everyone who participated, including me.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 11:57:52 PM EST
I talked with my wife about some of the types of things that we did in the Force on Force class when I took it, but she didn't really understand it until she went through that scenario and failed miserably. It's one thing to talk about it and walk through a few things at home with airsoft guns, it's entirely different to have multiple people involved where you don't know who's who or what's going on.

Thanks again to Cav Arms, LMS and Yancey for setting this up. Not only was it a good reinforcement and retest for me, but I got my wife interested now, and that's worth a lot.
Link Posted: 2/26/2007 12:19:16 AM EST
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