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Posted: 3/10/2015 10:34:16 AM EDT
Sen. Daniel Squadron has filed a Notice of Committee Consideration and Notice of Chamber Consideration for his bill S-2050, relates to prohibiting the possession of certain 50 caliber firearms; directs the division of state police to embark on a program whereby persons currently in lawful possession of such weapons may be reimbursed for the fair market value thereof upon turning in such weapons to a designated officer.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 10:58:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nyrkba:
Sen. Daniel Squadron has filed a Notice of Committee Consideration and Notice of Chamber Consideration for his bill S-2050, relates to prohibiting the possession of certain 50 caliber firearms; directs the division of state police to embark on a program whereby persons currently in lawful possession of such weapons may be reimbursed for the fair market value thereof upon turning in such weapons to a designated officer.
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Move out while you can boys... Pretty soon the wall will go up and nobody will get out
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 11:09:16 AM EDT
Wonder how much I'll get for my NY militia marked 50-70 rolling blocks.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 11:24:32 AM EDT
And what about the thousands of dollars in tripods, optics, cleaning kits, spares, etc? Sure just like the pre-ban mags and parts from SAFE, the owners are left holding thousands of dollars of devalued property.

It's not uncommon to have a collectible arm with accessories valued more than the arm itself. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that few gun owners are going to surrender a firearm and get stuck with a bunch of stuff they can't use or will take a significant loss on.

The Dems like to point to Australia's gun ban. What they forget- or don't bother to know- is that Australia's purchase also included magazines/clips, optics, slings, cleaning kits, tripods/bipods, EVERYTHING that went with a particular rifle. AND AND AND Australia paid "top dollar" for everything- not some "fair market" arrived at by some weenie.

Legality of banning 50s aside, if USA or NYS want to BUY arms, they would be much more successful if the buy the whole package at real prices. Remember pre-SAFE prices? I saw AR15s going for $2500 and AR10s for $3500; 30rd M16 mags were going for $100. If NYS had offered to pay those prices they would have taken 70% of the AR15s and AR10s out of private hands...instead they got 95+% non-compliance.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 11:54:20 AM EDT
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Move out while you can boys... Pretty soon the wall will go up and nobody will get out
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Originally Posted By nyrkba:
Sen. Daniel Squadron has filed a Notice of Committee Consideration and Notice of Chamber Consideration for his bill S-2050, relates to prohibiting the possession of certain 50 caliber firearms; directs the division of state police to embark on a program whereby persons currently in lawful possession of such weapons may be reimbursed for the fair market value thereof upon turning in such weapons to a designated officer.



Move out while you can boys... Pretty soon the wall will go up and nobody will get out


I'm The Duke of New York, A-Number-1
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 11:58:28 AM EDT
NYPD doesnt need them either than or any other le in nys when are they taking them away from them
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 12:33:39 PM EDT
I don't want the fair market value, I want the full retail price.

I'm so broke right now, if I could get the $3k I have in my Sharps I'd take it.

The irony being when I bought it, it was shipped without FFL involvement, due to it being exempt because of the chambering.
Now the diameter of said bullet is going to make it an evil jumbo jet shooting down killing machine.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 12:49:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nyrkba:
Sen. Daniel Squadron has filed a Notice of Committee Consideration and Notice of Chamber Consideration for his bill S-2050, relates to prohibiting the possession of certain 50 caliber firearms;
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Does that mean it's coming up for a vote? So it's passed all the other committee hurdles?
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 12:55:46 PM EDT
I see the word "certain". I'm guessing they're trying not to stir up the blackpower/muzzleloading crowd?
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 1:00:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DefMan:
I see the word "certain". I'm guessing they're trying not to stir up the blackpower/muzzleloading crowd?
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That's the intention, but they'll screw it up and those will be included too.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 1:36:50 PM EDT
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That's the intention, but they'll screw it up and those will be included too.
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Originally Posted By DefMan:
I see the word "certain". I'm guessing they're trying not to stir up the blackpower/muzzleloading crowd?

That's the intention, but they'll screw it up and those will be included too.


Oh no they can't piss off the fudd's. They might actually lose if we had all the firearms enthusiasts involved.
I don't understand the older crowd that hates black (maybe their color?) rifles. As far as I'm concerned they are enemies as well.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 1:59:55 PM EDT
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I doubt it has anything to do with "Fudds". Muzzle loaders are firearms, they're nothing more than lengths of pipe., hard to regulate. That every 28, 20, 16, 12 & 10ga shotgun would qualify.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 2:44:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cas:
I doubt it has anything to do with "Fudds". Muzzle loaders are firearms, they're nothing more than lengths of pipe., hard to regulate. That every 28, 20, 16, 12 & 10ga shotgun would qualify.
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Yep. The wording is very lose certain is the killer
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 3:05:08 PM EDT
26. "50 CALIBER WEAPON" MEANS:
13 (A) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE:
14 (I) OF A CALIBER OF 50 OR GREATER, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE ANY METRIC
15 EQUIVALENT OF 50 CALIBER OR GREATER; OR
16 (II) THAT IS CAPABLE OF FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE
17 ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER IN ANY COMBINATION OF
18 BULLET, PROPELLANT, CASE, OR PRIMER; OR
19 (III) ANY COPY OR DUPLICATE OF ANY SUCH WEAPON THAT IS CAPABLE OF
20 FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND
21 FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER REGARDLESS OF CALIBER;
22 (B) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE DEFINED IN
23 PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE
24 OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
25 (C) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
[ ] is old law to be omitted.
LBD01257-02-5
S. 2050 2

1 (I) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT HAS BEEN
2 RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE;
3 (II) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT IS AN
4 ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN CLAUSE SIXTEEN OF PARAGRAPH (A) OF SECTION
5 NINE HUNDRED TWENTY-ONE OF TITLE EIGHTEEN OF THE UNITED STATES CODE;
6 (III) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN
7 OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
8 PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (D) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
9 (IV) ANY WEAPON THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO
10 THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THEREOF, THAT IS VALIDLY
11 REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
12 CHAPTER;
13 (V) ANY MUZZLE-LOADING RIFLE OR SHOTGUN WITH A RIFLED BORE.
14
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 3:06:58 PM EDT
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26. "50 CALIBER WEAPON" MEANS:
13 (A) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE:
14 (I) OF A CALIBER OF 50 OR GREATER, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE ANY METRIC
15 EQUIVALENT OF 50 CALIBER OR GREATER; OR
16 (II) THAT IS CAPABLE OF FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE
17 ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER IN ANY COMBINATION OF
18 BULLET, PROPELLANT, CASE, OR PRIMER; OR
19 (III) ANY COPY OR DUPLICATE OF ANY SUCH WEAPON THAT IS CAPABLE OF
20 FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND
21 FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER REGARDLESS OF CALIBER;
22 (B) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE DEFINED IN
23 PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE
24 OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
25 (C) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
[ ] is old law to be omitted.
LBD01257-02-5
S. 2050 2

1 (I) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT HAS BEEN
2 RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE;
3 (II) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT IS AN
4 ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN CLAUSE SIXTEEN OF PARAGRAPH (A) OF SECTION
5 NINE HUNDRED TWENTY-ONE OF TITLE EIGHTEEN OF THE UNITED STATES CODE;
6 (III) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN
7 OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
8 PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (D) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
9 (IV) ANY WEAPON THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO
10 THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THEREOF, THAT IS VALIDLY
11 REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
12 CHAPTER;
13 (V) ANY MUZZLE-LOADING RIFLE OR SHOTGUN WITH A RIFLED BORE.
14
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Bet the NY republicans back this
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 4:24:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ACDer:
26. "50 CALIBER WEAPON" MEANS:
13 (A) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE:
14 (I) OF A CALIBER OF 50 OR GREATER, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE ANY METRIC
15 EQUIVALENT OF 50 CALIBER OR GREATER; OR
16 (II) THAT IS CAPABLE OF FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE
17 ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER IN ANY COMBINATION OF
18 BULLET, PROPELLANT, CASE, OR PRIMER; OR
19 (III) ANY COPY OR DUPLICATE OF ANY SUCH WEAPON THAT IS CAPABLE OF
20 FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND
21 FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER REGARDLESS OF CALIBER;
22 (B) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE DEFINED IN
23 PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE
24 OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
25 (C) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
[ ] is old law to be omitted.
LBD01257-02-5
S. 2050 2

1 (I) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT HAS BEEN
2 RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE;
3 (II) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT IS AN
4 ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN CLAUSE SIXTEEN OF PARAGRAPH (A) OF SECTION
5 NINE HUNDRED TWENTY-ONE OF TITLE EIGHTEEN OF THE UNITED STATES CODE;
6 (III) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN
7 OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
8 PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (D) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
9 (IV) ANY WEAPON THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO
10 THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THEREOF, THAT IS VALIDLY
11 REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
12 CHAPTER;
13 (V) ANY MUZZLE-LOADING RIFLE OR SHOTGUN WITH A RIFLED BORE.
14
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LOL. Missed some. And I'm not telling which.

And MY republicans know better than to support this.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 5:00:04 PM EDT
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LOL. Missed some. And I'm not telling which.

And MY republicans know better than to support this.
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Originally Posted By Abom:
Originally Posted By ACDer:
26. "50 CALIBER WEAPON" MEANS:
13 (A) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE:
14 (I) OF A CALIBER OF 50 OR GREATER, WHICH SHALL INCLUDE ANY METRIC
15 EQUIVALENT OF 50 CALIBER OR GREATER; OR
16 (II) THAT IS CAPABLE OF FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE
17 ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER IN ANY COMBINATION OF
18 BULLET, PROPELLANT, CASE, OR PRIMER; OR
19 (III) ANY COPY OR DUPLICATE OF ANY SUCH WEAPON THAT IS CAPABLE OF
20 FIRING A PROJECTILE THAT ATTAINS A MUZZLE ENERGY OF TWELVE THOUSAND
21 FOOT-POUNDS OR GREATER REGARDLESS OF CALIBER;
22 (B) ANY RIFLE CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE DEFINED IN
23 PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE
24 OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
25 (C) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

EXPLANATION--Matter in ITALICS (underscored) is new; matter in brackets
[ ] is old law to be omitted.
LBD01257-02-5
S. 2050 2

1 (I) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT HAS BEEN
2 RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE;
3 (II) ANY WEAPON CAPABLE OF FIRING A CENTER-FIRE CARTRIDGE THAT IS AN
4 ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN CLAUSE SIXTEEN OF PARAGRAPH (A) OF SECTION
5 NINE HUNDRED TWENTY-ONE OF TITLE EIGHTEEN OF THE UNITED STATES CODE;
6 (III) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN
7 OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE
8 PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (D) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;
9 (IV) ANY WEAPON THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO
10 THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THEREOF, THAT IS VALIDLY
11 REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION EIGHTEEN OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS
12 CHAPTER;
13 (V) ANY MUZZLE-LOADING RIFLE OR SHOTGUN WITH A RIFLED BORE.
14



LOL. Missed some. And I'm not telling which.

And MY republicans know better than to support this.


Almost all of us had the same sentiment when SAFE was proposed. But I do hope I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 7:41:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 8:14:40 PM EDT
.338 Lapua. In Vermont.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 8:44:58 PM EDT
His web page actually accepted an email from someone outside of his district, something that most of them wont do. I suggest that you all make your feelings known
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 9:15:16 PM EDT
Looks like .585 Nyati is still legal at 10,000 foot pounds.
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Unfortunately, no as it is still over 50 cal. Might be time to sell.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 9:54:04 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, no as it is still over 50 cal. Might be time to sell.
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Looks like .585 Nyati is still legal at 10,000 foot pounds.


Unfortunately, no as it is still over 50 cal. Might be time to sell.


Shit that's an "OR" clause.

They're not taking my favorite African Big 5 Caliber.

I'm not ditching my .585 Nyati and .577 Nitro Express and I'm surely not registering them.

Make sure the rich Safari FUDDs understand what this means.... .416 Rigby and .375 H&H are for schoolgirls who shoot big whitetail.
Link Posted: 3/10/2015 10:32:16 PM EDT
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Make sure the rich Safari FUDDs understand what this means.... .
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Yeah, all five of them statewide are sure to make a huge political impact.
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 1:46:23 AM EDT
So they want to use our tax money to confiscate our guns.........its like being raped with your own dick
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 1:56:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By crwdplsr:
So they want to use our tax money to confiscate our guns.........its like being raped with your own dick
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Ha!....I've never heard it described that way...but upon thoughtful reflection...yes, living in NY is just about like get raped with Ones own genitalia. We are just fucking ourselves in the end.
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 4:06:40 AM EDT
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Let's get someone to stamp out a bunch of ".50 Cal" labeled stripped lowers, sell them at cost, and put up a website saying they're worth $500 each due to being of "limited production". Everyone gets a several thousand dollar "tax return" and buys .458 SOCOMs and a bunch of ammo
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 8:58:01 AM EDT
Going to go buy a 50 beawulf barrell an go price gouge ny
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 9:08:20 AM EDT
You guys are talking about this like it's a done deal. Is it? Time to make phone calls?
Link Posted: 3/11/2015 9:27:15 AM EDT
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Well, hell, if I could do that, I'd be a millionaire from the porn industry, and I wouldn't have to live in NYS!
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