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Posted: 1/14/2015 8:47:10 AM EDT
Senate Bill 433 - Repeals the prohibition against manufacturing, importing, selling, or possessing a sawed-off shotgun. Provides for a 10 year sentence enhancement if a person possesses a sawed-off shotgun in violation of federal law while committing certain offenses. Makes conforming amendments.

Thought it was worth a shot. Emailed my State Senator to support this bill. It would be nice to be rid of this!


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SB 433
Link Posted: 1/14/2015 1:39:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/14/2015 1:50:56 PM EDT
There are is also a bill to require handgun training, and a seperate bill
To eliminate the need for a handgun permit entirely. The sbs bill seems
To have a decent amount of support. If it passes I'll probably buy one.
Link Posted: 1/14/2015 2:51:56 PM EDT
Got this back:


Dear EFPETER,

I appreciate you taking the time to express your support for Senate Bill 433 regarding the repeal of the ban on short barreled shotguns. Your thoughts and opinions on legislative matters are valuable in my work.

Senate Bill 433 has been assigned to the Judiciary Committee, of which I am not a member. This bill is awaiting a hearing at the discretion of the committee chairman Senator Brent Steele. If this bill passes in committee and is to be heard by the Senate, I will keep your thoughts in mind.

Thank you for sharing your views with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further inquiries.
Sincerely,

James W. Merritt, Jr.
State Senator


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Link Posted: 1/14/2015 3:07:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/3/2015 12:01:51 AM EDT
Here's what I sent. I'll modify it appropriately, and send it to Steele. Hope I'm not too little, too late.


Mr. Young,

I am in favor of, and urge you to support with your vote, SB 433, to repeal the state-level prohibition against manufacturing, importing, selling, or possessing a sawed-off shotgun.

Indiana, is one of a handful of states to still prohibit manufacture and possession of short-barrel shotguns (SBS), which have been registered with the ATF, per the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA), to include payment of a one-time $200 tax. Other devices that fall into this category, and are not prohibited in Indiana, so long as they are papered, are short barrel rifles, silencers, and full-auto machine guns.

As you are probably aware, legitimate firearms owners pride themselves on being a law-abiding bunch. Owners of NFA eligible firearms, have much more at stake, and subsequently take greater care to ensure compliance. These are the people whose collection and recreation opportunities would be enhanced.

Bear in mind, the criminal is a criminal for a reason, and will in no way have his options increased by this bill. He will have a short-barrel shotgun, regardless, because he is by nature a criminal. That this bill will increase his sentence for neglecting the opportunity to obtain his SBS the legal way, should provide motivation for your colleagues who are on the fence, to support this bill as well.

Thank you for your time, and I hope I can count on you to make my voice heard.

Figley
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Link Posted: 2/3/2015 8:30:44 AM EDT
The bill made it out of committee.
Link Posted: 2/3/2015 9:19:24 AM EDT
It would be nice if those who can vote this bill into law were allowed to compare a 6" barreled 12ga AOW to a 10" barreled 12ga 870 to see for themselves how useless this prohibition is.
Link Posted: 2/4/2015 9:39:51 AM EDT
http://fox59.com/2015/02/03/in-senate-approves-bill-making-short-barrel-shotguns-legal/
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Originally Posted By phylodog:
It would be nice if those who can vote this bill into law were allowed to compare a 6" barreled 12ga AOW to a 10" barreled 12ga 870 to see for themselves how useless this prohibition is.
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I don't think you understand how politicians work. I guarantee it wouldn't go the way you want it.
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I don't think you understand how politicians work. I guarantee it wouldn't go the way you want it.
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Originally Posted By Duotwk:
Originally Posted By phylodog:
It would be nice if those who can vote this bill into law were allowed to compare a 6" barreled 12ga AOW to a 10" barreled 12ga 870 to see for themselves how useless this prohibition is.



I don't think you understand how politicians work. I guarantee it wouldn't go the way you want it.


It would if I was given the opportunity to show them. I've worked with politicians before.
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Originally Posted By phylodog:
It would be nice if those who can vote this bill into law were allowed to compare a 6" barreled 12ga AOW to a 10" barreled 12ga 870 to see for themselves how useless this prohibition is.
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There are a few that know the difference and they might own NFA items themselves
Link Posted: 2/28/2015 1:06:32 AM EDT
Is there any new information for this bill? I haven't seen anything in a little while.
Link Posted: 2/28/2015 8:57:47 AM EDT
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The senate passed it. It was referred to the house on February 6th.

I am not sure if the house is going to do anything? Will the house bill have a different number I'm not finding?
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
The senate passed it. It was referred to the house on February 6th.

I am not sure if the house is going to do anything? Will the house bill have a different number I'm not finding?
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Its been a month, hopefully they pass it. Would love to be able to do a SBS
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Originally Posted By efpeter:
The senate passed it. It was referred to the house on February 6th.

I am not sure if the house is going to do anything? Will the house bill have a different number I'm not finding?
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If I'm understanding the process correctly the bills that pass either the house or senate don't go to the other until the 2nd session, which just started last week or this week. Hopefully we will see some action soon.
Link Posted: 3/20/2015 3:26:32 PM EDT
Here's to hoping. I'll contact my local rep and see if I can get him to support it. I've got some AOW's but would love to form 1 my VEPR.....
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Yep.

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Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Originally Posted By CYB29:
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/433#


On to the gov's desk?


Yep.

Senate Bill 433 passed the Indiana House of Representatives on an 85 to 14 vote. Now SB 433 is being prepared to be sent to the desk of Governor Mike Pence (R) for his consideration.


Nice! It would be awesome if this were to happen fast enough for me to efile some form 1's. I've got a Vepr, a 590A1, and some 870's that need to be shorter.....
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Nice! It would be awesome if this were to happen fast enough for me to efile some form 1's. I've got a Vepr, a 590A1, and some 870's that need to be shorter.....
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Originally Posted By compuvette:
Originally Posted By M4Madness:
Originally Posted By CYB29:
http://iga.in.gov/legislative/2015/bills/senate/433#


On to the gov's desk?


Yep.

Senate Bill 433 passed the Indiana House of Representatives on an 85 to 14 vote. Now SB 433 is being prepared to be sent to the desk of Governor Mike Pence (R) for his consideration.


Nice! It would be awesome if this were to happen fast enough for me to efile some form 1's. I've got a Vepr, a 590A1, and some 870's that need to be shorter.....

No matter when it gets signed, and unless otherwise specified, new legislation for Indiana will not take effect until July 1 of the year it is enacted. Therefore, "hurry up and wait" comes to mind. The governor can hurry up all he wants, but it won't be legal until July 1st. Can you apply before then? Maybe, but if it comes across the examiner's desk prior to July 1st then the proper thing is for them to deny the form.
Link Posted: 3/27/2015 7:53:55 AM EDT
Outstanding.

Looks like it's time to send some receivers out to get engraved.
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 11:18:02 AM EDT
now i need to justify the purchase to the wife #free state problems
Link Posted: 4/6/2015 3:54:35 PM EDT
How long does the typical bill take to get across his desk?
Link Posted: 4/17/2015 9:58:00 PM EDT
So, if one wanted to check the progress of this, how would one go about it? Is there some one to call, is it listed online, do we have to bribe some one?
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Originally Posted By Sgtmack122:
So, if one wanted to check the progress of this, how would one go about it? Is there some one to call, is it listed online, do we have to bribe some one?
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Bottom of op.

Latest action was the 8th and 9th. Signed by the speaker and president pro tempore
Link Posted: 4/19/2015 2:04:10 PM EDT
Tagged for updates
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Regardless of when signed, it will not take effect until July 1.
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Originally Posted By CYB29:
How long does the typical bill take to get across his desk?


Regardless of when signed, it will not take effect until July 1.

So hopefully anytime before July 1 I guess.
Link Posted: 4/27/2015 6:23:47 PM EDT
Bill signed by President of the Senate 4/27.
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http://in.gov/gov/2015billwatch.htm

It is listed on the bill watch page now.

Received by Governor on 04/27
Due date for action is 05/04

Governor Pence contact information, if you would like to respectfully ask him to sign it.
Link Posted: 4/29/2015 8:06:07 PM EDT
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SEA 433 was signed today: Link

14" Rem870 here I come (after July 1).
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Awesome!
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Woo Hoo!
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:13:51 AM EDT
Outstanding! Time to scrape my pennies together for an entry model.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:16:45 AM EDT
I think my 870 youth is looking forward to a barrel flush with the mag tube.

Link Posted: 5/1/2015 11:06:59 AM EDT
I've got my eye on a saiga and an 870 with wood grain furniture.

Link Posted: 5/2/2015 12:54:40 PM EDT
Excellent news!

Now we just need to get SBS, SBR, AOW, and suppressors off the damn NFA...
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 10:14:05 AM EDT
This is going to hurt.
I always said I would get a Benelli M4 entry if this happened.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 2:43:36 PM EDT
I'll be filing some efile form 1's on July 1st. Got at least one 870 plus a Vepr that are going to get shorter.....

I've got a Salvo in jail waiting on form 4 but I wasn't sure what I was going to do with it. Now I know.....
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