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Posted: 8/7/2011 10:59:04 AM EDT
Apparently as I saw on the news, the locals are so enraged over the police shooting of a local black man, that they're taking their revenge by looting Carpet Right and JD Sports for rugs, trainers and new tracksuit bottoms
I even saw some of the local Hasidic Jews mixin' it with the rozzers .and laughing after being chased 
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Posted: 8/7/2011 11:02:12 AM EDT
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Apparently as I saw on the news, the locals are so enraged over the police shooting of a local black man, that they're taking their revenge by looting Carpet Right and JD Sports for rugs, trainers and new tracksuit bottoms
I even saw some of the local Hasidic Jews mixin' it with the rozzers .and laughing after being chased Me too. I think thats the first time I have seen Hasidic Jews in a UK riot scenario !! |
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Posted: 8/7/2011 11:59:11 AM EDT
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Initial info indicates;
Planned Police operation to apprehend gunman. On being approached by armed Police, said gunman produces a handgun and shoots an officer (fortunately saved by the bullet hitting his radio/body armour). Police shoot back and gunman is killed. Gunman is variously described by friends and relations as a lovely bloke who might be 'into stuff', but he's not aggressive,.. Perfectly good reason to loot and burn local shops and riot................
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Posted: 8/7/2011 12:07:17 PM EDT
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Let's go back to the real good ole days and read the Riot Act followed by CQB practice.
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Posted: 8/7/2011 12:40:17 PM EDT
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they are demanding justice, but too blind to see that justice has already been served
boy that thinks hes from the hood gets all gangsta and shoots da polise LOL, unfortunately hes a crap shot, police return fire, dumbass twat gang banger dies justice is done wheres the problem how about a little more justice of the same style |
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Posted: 8/7/2011 12:47:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: they are demanding justice, but too blind to see that justice has already been served boy that thinks hes from the hood gets all gangsta and shoots da polise LOL, unfortunately hes a crap shot, police return fire, dumbass twat gang banger dies justice is done wheres the problem how about a little more justice of the same style I think his shot was good, but his placement let him down.. |
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Posted: 8/7/2011 12:49:36 PM EDT
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Apparentlt it's now kicking off in enfield
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Posted: 8/7/2011 1:14:13 PM EDT
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Yes Enfield shops vandalised. I'm with people from Enfield at a party tonight.
Not reported on the BBC yet :-/ Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/7/2011 3:10:16 PM EDT
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'not aggresseive...' Unless you are a police officer.. I think I'm right in saying that this is the first individual killed by police during the 10 years operation Trident has been running? I got in late last night and caught up on all of this.. I was going to post about it.. make some kind of objective observation about it and see what others though.. to be honest though, I was so angry by the time I read everything through, that I couldn't come up with anything objective to say, so I left it. Evidenced by the multitude of ethnicities in the videos, this is not about race-relations, integration or cultural cohesion ... It is simply the lawless behaviour of people of a bunch of people who don't feel they should have to respect or live by the rules of society - The same type of people that think Raoul Mote was a 'good bloke'.  |
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Posted: 8/7/2011 10:07:10 PM EDT
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Well it seems the story coming out this morning is that the bullet found in the Police radio didn't come from the alleged gunman, but was in fact fired by another Police Officer
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Posted: 8/7/2011 10:20:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well it seems the story coming out this morning is that the bullet foind in the Police radio didn't gone from the alleged gunman, but was in fact fired by another Polive Officer ooooooops! Someone's in the shit
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Posted: 8/7/2011 10:25:47 PM EDT
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hmmm.. that's not good, though there's not a question over whether Mark Dugan had a handgun on him I think?
Further riots last night; red ken says that they are as a result of spending cuts . I'll be sure to let Mrs FCP know so she and her co-workers can go on the rampage today at the school for the disabled that they work at (which has had significant funding withdrawn)..a picture of a burning wheelchair or two will quickly get their funding restored
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Posted: 8/7/2011 10:47:51 PM EDT
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hmmm.. that's not good, though there's not a question over whether Mark Dugan had a handgun on him I think? Further riots last night; red ken says that they are as a result of spending cuts . I'll be sure to let Mrs FCP know so she and her co-workers can go on the rampage today at the school for the disabled that they work at (which has had significant funding withdrawn)..a picture of a burning wheelchair or two will quickly get their funding restored Have they actually said whether they've recovered a gun? Coz I must have missed it on the news. Re: spending cuts, one witness on the news this morning said the first Police car went up in flames about 9.30pm and the carpet shop was set on fire after midnight. He said there were so few plod that they had withdrawn from the streets and were mainly concerned with protecting the local Police station, therefore leaving the rampaging hordes free for several hours to get on with it. He could just be a biased and bigoted local though |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 1:16:24 AM EDT
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Yes, I too heard one report of a pistol being recovered. But after that, no mention.
If no pistol was found and he was shot while unarmed etc etc, it will only get worse !!!! |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 2:14:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: hmmm.. that's not good, though there's not a question over whether Mark Dugan had a handgun on him I think? Further riots last night; red ken says that they are as a result of spending cuts . I'll be sure to let Mrs FCP know so she and her co-workers can go on the rampage today at the school for the disabled that they work at (which has had significant funding withdrawn)..a picture of a burning wheelchair or two will quickly get their funding restored Have they actually said whether they've recovered a gun? Coz I must have missed it on the news. Re: spending cuts, one witness on the news this morning said the first Police car went up in flames about 9.30pm and the carpet shop was set on fire after midnight. He said there were so few plod that they had withdrawn from the streets and were mainly concerned with protecting the local Police station, therefore leaving the rampaging hordes free for several hours to get on with it. He could just be a biased and bigoted local though IPCC say that a handgun was recovered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14423942 Its not beyond the bounds of possibility it didn't belong to him, though the 'exchange of gunfire' story also seems to be holding up (for now!) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8687403/London-riots-Dead-man-Mark-Duggan-was-a-known-gangster-who-lived-by-the-gun.html |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 2:33:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well it seems the story coming out this morning is that the bullet found in the Police radio didn't come from the alleged gunman, but was in fact fired by another Police Officer Oh very dear...................  . That will complicate things a tad..
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Posted: 8/8/2011 3:50:24 AM EDT
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The report I saw said that a preliminary IPCC report had said that it was a 'police issue bullet' that hit the officers radio. Now wether that means another round has been fired and the rifling marks compared or just the fact that it's the same caliber they didn't say. He was apparently shot by an MP5 (which I'm assuming is a 9mm version) which was discharged twice. The police have asked for further tests to be carried out.
The IPCC did confirm that they had recovered a non police issue handgun from the scene but don't give any details about caliber. Various witness statements at the time clearly stated that they heard the police shout warnings at him twice before they heard any gunfire. |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 4:03:44 AM EDT
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If true, that is the worst possible outcome.
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Posted: 8/8/2011 4:08:28 AM EDT
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Does the Met use a sooper-dooper extra rare ultra secret HP or bog standard Winchester Ranger? Or does the ballistics lab work on the Gertrude Stein principle: A hollow point is a hollow point is a hollow point...? Its not as if HP's are completely unavailable....
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Posted: 8/8/2011 4:15:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Does the Met use a sooper-dooper extra rare ultra secret HP or bog standard Winchester Ranger? Or does the ballistics lab work on the Gertrude Stein principle: A hollow point is a hollow point is a hollow point...? Its not as if HP's are completely unavailable.... Soren Don't know what the Met use, but general plod issue is all soft point, not hollow point. Our current 9mm is Federal 95grn JSP, although oddly enough we train with 115grn FMJ.. .....or rather we used to. We don't train anymore, just a couple of times a year now (5 days each time). We are clearly so good, our skills don't deteriorate at all in the intervening six months.....................................oh wait,
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Posted: 8/8/2011 4:43:29 AM EDT
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Magtech's 95 grain JSP is also a favorite of mine, flat trajetory though its not completely muzzle flash free. Our plod trains with either Fiocchi or MEN TMJ (Total metal jacket) "environmentally friendly" 125 grain but use the imho outdated RUAG Action3 on duty.
Soren |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 7:27:08 AM EDT
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I saw the slogan posted online somewhere and liked it so much, I made a poster
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Posted: 8/8/2011 8:03:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: I saw the slogan posted online somewhere and liked it so much, I made a poster http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx155/PhotoChopz/ARFCOM/TottenhamRiots.png Sorry.. I'm not keen on the symbolism We shouldn't let anyone make this about race, religion or ethnicity. It should be seen for what it is - a bunch of people who think the law doesn't apply to them and are prepared to take advantage of an opportunity to behave badly. |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 8:26:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: I can understand that, though the undertone of the message is supposed to be aimed at the "fall of the British" - the rest of the world has moved on while we've regressed. We expect our police to keep the peace against increasingly overwhelming odds armed with nothing more than a stick and a bit of polycarbonate. Still, those guys are out there and holding the line.Quoted: I saw the slogan posted online somewhere and liked it so much, I made a poster http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx155/PhotoChopz/ARFCOM/TottenhamRiots.png Sorry.. I'm not keen on the symbolism We shouldn't let anyone make this about race, religion or ethnicity. It should be seen for what it is - a bunch of people who think the law doesn't apply to them and are prepared to take advantage of an opportunity to behave badly. The race or colours of the attackers aren't really relevant; the message would work with any other group there. I picked on a Rourke's Drift image simply because that was the date given in the original message. Thinking about it, a bit of 'shop work on the image to put some masked hoodies there from recent riots instead might soften the blow for the thin-skinned. |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 8:34:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I can understand that, though the undertone of the message is supposed to be aimed at the "fall of the British" - the rest of the world has moved on while we've regressed. We expect our police to keep the peace against increasingly overwhelming odds armed with nothing more than a stick and a bit of polycarbonate. Still, those guys are out there and holding the line.Quoted: I saw the slogan posted online somewhere and liked it so much, I made a poster http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx155/PhotoChopz/ARFCOM/TottenhamRiots.png Sorry.. I'm not keen on the symbolism We shouldn't let anyone make this about race, religion or ethnicity. It should be seen for what it is - a bunch of people who think the law doesn't apply to them and are prepared to take advantage of an opportunity to behave badly. The race or colours of the attackers aren't really relevant; the message would work with any other group there. I picked on a Rourke's Drift image simply because that was the date given in the original message. Thinking about it, a bit of 'shop work on the image to put some masked hoodies there from recent riots instead might soften the blow for the thin-skinned. I did get that.. the image was just unfortunate given the history.. Banksy style'd with hoodies would be on the money though  |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 9:23:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Banksy style'd with hoodies would be on the money though Yeah but have you seen how he draws his policemen? |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 9:26:39 AM EDT
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On a completely seperate note, I see the police are implementing their own form of punishment for looters. Just look at what they're forcing the person on the right of the picture to do
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Posted: 8/8/2011 9:43:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: On a completely seperate note, I see the police are implementing their own form of punishment for looters. Just look at what they're forcing the person on the right of the picture to do http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D58092100000578-48_964x554.jpg They'd better get use to that for where they are going  |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:00:06 AM EDT
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Hackney and Lewisham now
Do we still use baton rounds?
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:07:21 AM EDT
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Hackney and Lewisham now Do we still use baton rounds? Nah that would probably hurt someone |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:11:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Such a shame Quoted: Hackney and Lewisham now Do we still use baton rounds? Nah that would probably hurt someone they used to work quite well on the fenian bastards |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:13:42 AM EDT
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Hackney and Lewisham now Do we still use baton rounds? This is what I was thinking I dont know of any occasion when they have ever been used on th mainland. I know over in N Ireland, where they are used to these kind of disturbances, the police and army have never been shy when it comes to dishing out a few baton rounds, cs gas and bringing a water canon or two into play. I'd like to see them do this to show that everyone is equal and fill the canons with purple or ultraviolet dye to pick the fuckers up later. |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:22:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Oh yes they have.............................................http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wear/6056006.stmQuoted: Hackney and Lewisham now Do we still use baton rounds? This is what I was thinking I dont know of any occasion when they have ever been used on th mainland. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1846015.stm So if it's use was approved in 2001, has it ever been withdrawn? |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:27:07 AM EDT
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The lateat version of events is that the police have never said they were fired at but the rozzer who did the shootin' feared for his life from the presence of the gun they found.
They also say that only 2 shots were fired, the second of which killed him buy the first either missed or went through him and was the one that hit the other officer in the radio. As for the rioting, it's not too far from me, anarchy reins.....sounds like tonights a good night for "all night shotgun cleaning"
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:34:18 AM EDT
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I'm told that use of any effective means of riot control is frowned upon. I'm sure the majority of police would be happy to deploy a watercannon with all sorts of added extra goodness, but a desk jockey with an eye to their media profile and all loved up with the Home Office will say "no".
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:35:00 AM EDT
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The lateat version of events is that the police have never said they were fired at but the rozzer who did the shootin' feared for his life from the presence of the gun they found. They also say that only 2 shots were fired, the second of which killed him buy the first either missed or went through him and was the one that hit the other officer in the radio. As for the rioting, it's not too far from me, anarchy reins.....sounds like tonights a good night for "all night shotgun cleaning" Yep, it's been going on in Hackney for a while and now kicking off in Lewisham and Peckham. When the student riots were going on last year the Met were asked why they didn't use water cannon to disperse people. The answer was they didn't want the police to be seen using it on people as it would not present a good image for the police We're being ruled by the politically correct morons! These so called rioters (just fucking idiots is more apt) have broken the law hit them with water cannon they will soon piss off when they are cold and wet!
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:40:56 AM EDT
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There's pictures on Sky news now of some idiots setting fire to a car in Hackney, I swear to god for a minute it looked like one of them had a Bradley Arms Hoodie on. The logo looked very similar!
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:50:33 AM EDT
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Millimetre wave systems are meant to be very effective..
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:52:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: There's pictures on Sky news now of some idiots setting fire to a car in Hackney, I swear to god for a minute it looked like one of them had a Bradley Arms Hoodie on. The logo looked very similar! I'm guessing Bradder's taking the opportunity to settle some old scores in the area |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:54:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Any publicity is good publicityQuoted: There's pictures on Sky news now of some idiots setting fire to a car in Hackney, I swear to god for a minute it looked like one of them had a Bradley Arms Hoodie on. The logo looked very similar! I'm guessing Bradder's taking the opportunity to settle some old scores in the area |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:54:04 AM EDT
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There's pictures on Sky news now of some idiots setting fire to a car in Hackney, I swear to god for a minute it looked like one of them had a Bradley Arms Hoodie on. The logo looked very similar! 
Looks like Leeds and Birmingham are kicking off too.... ETA: there was one of those Bradley Arms hoodies in my car when it got nicked
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Posted: 8/8/2011 10:56:26 AM EDT
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I'm still waiting on the call from the Bizzies to attend Hackney with my Whipper
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:03:54 AM EDT
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Dont worry about the whipper, where you gonna get breaky now greggs just got firebombed
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:07:51 AM EDT
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The bloke that was shot wasn't carrying a cap gun by all accounts - and it's sounds like he was challenged; as long as that's true, then I don't have a problem with it. If you carry a gun, then the police have to assume that you are prepared to use it. If you don't want to get shot by the law; don't give them cause to.
Mark - As it seems that our political masters have neither the brains nor balls to break out the water cannon; can't you get the one from your work? It did a job on the last fuckwit that got in front of it... |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:10:56 AM EDT
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Send in the Troops....that is all.
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:12:36 AM EDT
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The bloke that was shot wasn't carrying a cap gun by all accounts - and it's sounds like he was challenged; as long as that's true, then I don't have a problem with it. If you carry a gun, then the police have to assume that you are prepared to use it. If you don't want to get shot by the law; don't give them cause to. Mark - As it seems that our political masters have neither the brains nor balls to break out the water cannon; can't you get the one from your work? It did a job on the last fuckwit that got in front of it... True 
just remember folks, all this happening tonight in the Olympic borough
Greggs getting firebombed was bad though, where will they get their brekkie now? Hungry work this rioting |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:16:20 AM EDT
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Send in the Troops....that is all. We can't, they're all in the sandpit....
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:16:28 AM EDT
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Apparently water cannon isn't an approved riot control method on the mainland ?
Source: radio4 interview with former met police chief. Bullring and pallasades shopping centre attacked in brum. Police standoff with scumbags Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:19:31 AM EDT
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Enough of all this namby pamby fucking about. The head of the Met needs to grow a pair of bollocks and send the troops in hard. If the scumbags knew they were going to get hurt, they'd all run home to mummy..
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:20:15 AM EDT
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Let the dogs in and take no prisoners
And follow up with the horses and make sure the horses stamp on the fuckers
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Posted: 8/8/2011 11:25:36 AM EDT
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now kicking off in Croydon
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