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Posted: 2/2/2006 3:54:25 PM EDT
Am working a deal on a rifle with him via email.

He does not have any feedback on ARFCOM , ebay , gunbroker , etc. and am trying to check him out before I send money.
At this point I have no reason to suspect him , just being careful.

His name is Ray Torrez , I think he is in the Phonix area , but not sure.

He gave me 3 names that can vouch for him , have only heard from one so far.
The 3 are

1) Mark Graham (gunplumber) w/ Arizona Response Systems (phone message left ,have NOT heard from him yet)

2) Pat Sampson with a company called Shooters Supply (email sent , have NOT heard back)

3) Walt with C&T Enterprises , received a email from him saying that Ray is OK

Can anyone vouch for these 3 guys as good to go?
I have read good things about Gunplumber on this board.

Thanks for all help.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 5:21:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:02:14 PM EDT
Mark's a regular over at the FAL files. Might be another way to get in touch with him.

Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:31:55 PM EDT
Mark Graham did call me tonight and he did vouch for Ray Torrez as a good guy.

Anyone else have any info for me?
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:51:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Para069:
Mark Graham did call me tonight and he did vouch for Ray Torrez as a good guy.

Anyone else have any info for me?



Run away. Run far, far away. Cocaine charges are a bitch.
Link Posted: 2/2/2006 6:54:36 PM EDT
Be sure to ask him when he got his civil rights restored after his prison sentence was served.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:19:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sp0rk:

Originally Posted By Para069:
Mark Graham did call me tonight and he did vouch for Ray Torrez as a good guy.

Anyone else have any info for me?



Run away. Run far, far away. Cocaine charges are a bitch.



WHAT?????

More info please!

Are we talking about Ray Torrez or someone else?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:32:08 AM EDT
Don't know if this really helps, but Walt with C&T is big in the Az. Arms Assoc.---- he runs the AAA gun shows in Tucson.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:17:34 AM EDT
I know Walt with C&T. If Walt says he is good then Mr Torrez is good. Walt is a stand up kind of guy. Charles the Gunsmith.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 12:02:51 PM EDT
I can't vouch for him, but I can vouch for Walt at C&T. Stand up guy is Walt.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 4:13:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Para069:
Mark Graham did call me tonight and he did vouch for Ray Torrez as a good guy.

Anyone else have any info for me?



BWAHAAHAHAHAHAH! I remember Graham saying something to the effect that, "No one will enter into a deal with Ray and have anything good come of it." That's paraphrased as best as I can remember it from the numerous times I've heard it.



Originally Posted By Para069:

WHAT?????

More info please!

Are we talking about Ray Torrez or someone else?



We're talking about Ray.

Ask him about DPS and 7th st and Osborne sometime. I don't think you're supposed to run from the cops, but I could be crazy.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:05:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1911builder:
I know Walt with C&T. If Walt says he is good then Mr Torrez is good. Walt is a stand up kind of guy. Charles the Gunsmith.



I agree if Walt give his stamp of approval then the guy must be ok. Walt will not BS you about someone.


neither would AZEX, so it really depends on who has the most recent story.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:46:59 PM EDT
If he called you, are you sure it was Mark?
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:05:36 AM EDT
Thanks Everyone for your input.

Ray Torrez can not email me pics of the rifle because he claims to not have a dig camera , add some of the comments here with this and I think I am just going to pass on this one.

FYI , anyone in the Arizona AO that is looking for a Galil 372 ARM package for a fair price might want to check it out.
I would be all over it if I could do a FTF deal and make sure I was not getting ripped off.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:05:47 AM EDT
A wise decision on your part.

The guy doesn't have a real job, all he does is buy and sell guns/accessories low and sells them at near retail.

Has several times gotten caught impersonating ARS (Gunblumber) on Sturm.

Last SAR show I saw him at Robert (RTG Parts) table. Usually you see him glomming onto some reputable dealer at some show. Never has his own table, and until recently, had guns on those tables. Some folks started asking to see his "civil rights restoration" and suddenly, the guns went away and HK, Benelli and other high-end accoutrements, accessories took their place.

Been dealing on Sturm for years, where at this point, nearly every post has pics. But somehow this guy can't afford, or figure out, how to buy a cheap digicam and upload pics?

Something smells. Way to dodge a bad scene.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:35:23 PM EDT
I have known him for years, he is a real friendly guy.
I still talk to him every time I see him mooching table space off of a legit dealer at the gun shows.

But I will never buy from him again, I do not even look at his stuff anymore.
Becaues I know that if the item he is selling is good, his price will be way too high.
If it is a good price then there is something wrong with it.
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