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Posted: 12/11/2013 5:40:28 PM EST
I did a search and every one that has asked was from out of state...

Buying my brother his first pistol. I have a CPL and he is 19 and legal

I thought I knew how to do it but since they changed the purchase permits I do not know if it will apply to me...

Thanks in advance
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:09:07 PM EST
Buy the gun. Have your brother go to the sheriff to get a purchase permit for a private sale and then just transfer the gun over to him. Don't know if it can be done any easier/more efficiently than that. That's the way my dad gave me his guns so that's all I know.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:49:05 AM EST
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Originally Posted By akpatriot22:
Buy the gun. Have your brother go to the sheriff to get a purchase permit for a private sale and then just transfer the gun over to him. Don't know if it can be done any easier/more efficiently than that. That's the way my dad gave me his guns so that's all I know.
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That is what I had in mind but wanted to make sure.. I don't want to screw him up unintentionally

Thanks man

ETA lol at your avatar
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 3:56:33 AM EST
Are you buying from an FFL? Not that it really changes much, if anything, but that's what I'll assume and base this answer on.

You will buy the pistol from the FFL and fill out the 4473. Assuming that this is a true gift (no money exchanging hands) you are good. If there is any money exchanging hands, that would be a straw purchase. Don't tell the FFL that the pistol is a gift, as that makes many of them very nervous.

Once you have the pistol, your brother will need to make a trip to the local LEO HQ to obtain a license to purchase.

Then, you will fill out the RI-60 in triplicate and transfer the pistol to your brother.

For both transfers, FFL to you, and you to your brother, the RI-60 must be filled out in triplicate and submitted properly to local LEO.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 4:40:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Are you buying from an FFL? Not that it really changes much, if anything, but that's what I'll assume and base this answer on.

You will buy the pistol from the FFL and fill out the 4473. Assuming that this is a true gift (no money exchanging hands) you are good. If there is any money exchanging hands, that would be a straw purchase. Don't tell the FFL that the pistol is a gift, as that makes many of them very nervous.

Once you have the pistol, your brother will need to make a trip to the local LEO HQ to obtain a license to purchase.

Then, you will fill out the RI-60 in triplicate and transfer the pistol to your brother.

For both transfers, FFL to you, and you to your brother, the RI-60 must be filled out in triplicate and submitted properly to local LEO.
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Yep, this. I just went thru this with my son, a gift for his 18th b-day.

Only difference is my son was with me, and picked out the pistol.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 6:09:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Don't tell the FFL that the pistol is a gift, as that makes many of them very nervous.

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Read the part in blue and live it.

When I worked for a FFL, that was one way to stop the transfer fast. The FFL had his own rules that he would stop if there was ANY thought that there could be even the slightest chance of a straw purchase, even if it was going to be a legal gift.

I saw many transfers stoped just because the customer opened his mouth and said something.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 6:28:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mi650:

Yep, this. I just went thru this with my son, a gift for his 18th b-day.

Only difference is my son was with me, and picked out the pistol.
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
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Yep, this. I just went thru this with my son, a gift for his 18th b-day.

Only difference is my son was with me, and picked out the pistol.

If your brother wants to handle a few different models and look at them, I suggest doing that on a separate trip. Go look at them one week, and only you go on the day to purchase it. Make the visits a few weeks apart.
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 6:31:06 AM EST
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Originally Posted By klutz347:

Read the part in blue and live it.

When I worked for a FFL, that was one way to stop the transfer fast. The FFL had his own rules that he would stop if there was ANY thought that there could be even the slightest chance of a straw purchase, even if it was going to be a legal gift.

I saw many transfers stoped just because the customer opened his mouth and said something.
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Originally Posted By klutz347:
Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Don't tell the FFL that the pistol is a gift, as that makes many of them very nervous.

Read the part in blue and live it.

When I worked for a FFL, that was one way to stop the transfer fast. The FFL had his own rules that he would stop if there was ANY thought that there could be even the slightest chance of a straw purchase, even if it was going to be a legal gift.

I saw many transfers stoped just because the customer opened his mouth and said something.

It's vital that you know the laws and follow the laws, but the FFL needs the bare minimum of information.

Remember, FFLs are private business owners. Just because the purchase is legal does not mean they are legally required to sell to you. As a private business, they may deny any sale they want, for any reason they want (within reason obviously; flat out discrimination or such would be problematic).
Link Posted: 12/12/2013 11:49:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:

It's vital that you know the laws and follow the laws, but the FFL needs the bare minimum of information.

Remember, FFLs are private business owners. Just because the purchase is legal does not mean they are legally required to sell to you. As a private business, they may deny any sale they want, for any reason they want (within reason obviously; flat out discrimination or such would be problematic).
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Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Originally Posted By klutz347:
Originally Posted By rjbergen:
Don't tell the FFL that the pistol is a gift, as that makes many of them very nervous.

Read the part in blue and live it.

When I worked for a FFL, that was one way to stop the transfer fast. The FFL had his own rules that he would stop if there was ANY thought that there could be even the slightest chance of a straw purchase, even if it was going to be a legal gift.

I saw many transfers stoped just because the customer opened his mouth and said something.

It's vital that you know the laws and follow the laws, but the FFL needs the bare minimum of information.

Remember, FFLs are private business owners. Just because the purchase is legal does not mean they are legally required to sell to you. As a private business, they may deny any sale they want, for any reason they want (within reason obviously; flat out discrimination or such would be problematic).


Thank you

The firearm was purchased online and is sitting at the post office since the FFl was not home to sign...

Brother was interested in this firearm since its a 1911 like mine. So I figured if it didn't work out giving it to him I will have a new gun
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