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Posted: 1/28/2006 4:55:14 PM EDT

Muzzle nut or slant brake? which do you prefer and why? My yugo M70 build had a muzzle nut,which I tacked on the bottom, and most recent Romy build had a slant, also tacked on the bottom. I kinda like the muzzlenut look better, just wanted to hear your take on it. and don't you just dread the castration part of the build?(grinding off the bayo lug and welding the muzzle nut.) I just hesitate everytime!

Posted: 1/29/2006 9:20:53 AM EDT

[#1]

slap a dragunov style skeleton stock, and leave the barrel threaded, this is what im doing to a rifle im having come in.....

if it was muzzle nut or slant break, id go slant break...it helps reduce muzzle rise and it looks sharp (it will grow on you)....

muzzle nuts are ok too, I like them because it makes your AK look more beefy I think.

Posted: 1/29/2006 1:37:52 PM EDT

[#2]

I vote slant brake.

A draganov or any thumbhole stock is considered to be a pistol grip by the ATF and is ILLEGAL in that configuration.

Posted: 1/29/2006 3:10:22 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
I vote slant brake.

A draganov or any thumbhole stock is considered to be a pistol grip by the ATF and is ILLEGAL in that configuration.

then explain how the whole MAK90 thing works. a thumbhole stock is not a pistol grip. if it were considered a pistol grip, then changing over my MAK90 to pistol grip wouldn't require the US parts...which it does!

Posted: 1/29/2006 3:27:24 PM EDT

[#4]

Pistol grips have nothing to do with the 922r parts requirement. Converting a Mak90 to a pistol grip configuration requires US parts because a thumbhole stock is only considered 1 part and pistol grip and buttstock are two parts. The conversion changes the parts count. Absolutely nothing to do with the AWB. The ATF ruled during the federal ban that thumbhole stocks are pistol grips. If they weren't, most postban guns would have threaded barrels/flash hiders and thumbhole stocks as a way to get around the ban. If it could be done, it would have been done. If you don't believe me, call up the ATF and ask them for yourself. hinking.gif

Posted: 1/29/2006 4:01:12 PM EDT

[#5]

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Pistol grips have nothing to do with the 922r parts requirement. Converting a Mak90 to a pistol grip configuration requires US parts because a thumbhole stock is only considered 1 part and pistol grip and buttstock are two parts. The conversion changes the parts count. Absolutely nothing to do with the AWB. The ATF ruled during the federal ban that thumbhole stocks are pistol grips. If they weren't, most postban guns would have threaded barrels/flash hiders and thumbhole stocks as a way to get around the ban. If it could be done, it would have been done. If you don't believe me, call up the ATF and ask them for yourself.

I called up the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau , and several dealers.... having a thumbhole stock AK with a threaded muzzle is PERFECTLY LEGAL

Posted: 1/29/2006 5:04:58 PM EDT

[#6]

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I called up the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau , and several dealers.... having a thumbhole stock AK with a threaded muzzle is PERFECTLY LEGAL

You are wrong and obviously you asked the wrong people. Ask the ATF or ask this question in general discussion or legal forums. It is not legal. Don't you think if it were legal, we would see a lot more guns with thumbhole stocks and threaded barrels? Do you think you are the first one to think of this possible loop hole after 10+ years of the ban? Think you can use "I called up the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau , and several dealers" as a legal defense? You "slap on a a draganov stock" with a threaded barrel and the cops can slap cuffs on you because it is a violation of the NYS AWB.

Posted: 1/29/2006 8:10:16 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I called up the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau , and several dealers.... having a thumbhole stock AK with a threaded muzzle is PERFECTLY LEGAL

You are wrong and obviously you asked the wrong people. Ask the ATF or ask this question in general discussion or legal forums. It is not legal. Don't you think if it were legal, we would see a lot more guns with thumbhole stocks and threaded barrels? Do you think you are the first one to think of this possible loop hole after 10+ years of the ban? Think you can use "I called up the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau , and several dealers" as a legal defense? You "slap on a a draganov stock" with a threaded barrel and the cops can slap cuffs on you because it is a violation of the NYS AWB.

ATF isnt the final say on NYS law, the NYS State Trooper Pistol Permit Bureau is, along with the NYS Attourney General.

Posted: 1/30/2006 11:03:01 AM EDT

[#8]

Yeah, we can only go by what has already been ruled. The New York state police and the attorney general hasn't made an official ruling on this issue (talking to a secretary on the phone doesn't qualify as a ruling) but the ATF has. The law says "a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" and a draganov stock meets that definition. If you really think that the New York State Police and the anti-gun Eliot Spitzer is going to over-rule the ATF so you can have a threaded barrel / flash hider on your "evil" AK-47, you deserve to get busted for being incredibly stupid. Have fun in club FED.

Posted: 1/30/2006 1:19:04 PM EDT

[#9]

I like the slant brake but the muzzle nut, from what I recall, Is Not a muzzle device. Saves you from installing another US part.

Posted: 1/30/2006 1:46:13 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Yeah, we can only go by what has already been ruled. The New York state police and the attorney general hasn't made an official ruling on this issue (talking to a secretary on the phone doesn't qualify as a ruling) but the ATF has. The law says "a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" and a draganov stock meets that definition. If you really think that the New York State Police and the anti-gun Eliot Spitzer is going to over-rule the ATF so you can have a threaded barrel / flash hider on your "evil" AK-47, you deserve to get busted for being incredibly stupid. Have fun in club FED.

thumbhole stocks are not considered pistol grips....

call up: Sgt James Sherman , he is the source over at the NYS Pistol Permit Bureau: 1-518-457-2627

Tell me what he says to you.... he tells me a thumbhole stock DOES NOT QUALIFY as a pistol grip

Posted: 1/30/2006 1:54:13 PM EDT

[#11]

There are several issues at play here. When daling with AKs you have the NYS AWB requirements and you have the Federal 922r compliance requirements.

You can have a "post-ban" AK in NYS with a pistol grip, detachable mag and a muzzlebrake if the muzzlebrake is permanently affixed, meaning that it is silver soldered over the threads so it can not be unscrewed, or it it pinned and welded so as not to be able to be removed. As a muzzlebrake does not constitute a flash hider, you may have a 74 style brake or a 47 style slant brake and not have it count as a feature, so long as it can not be removed.

The other issue is you must have a requisite number of US parts to place it in this configuration. Off the top of my head I don't remember how many for an AKM, six or seven. Most likely your receiver will be US made. A Red Star Arms fire control group is three more for a total of four. Throw a US made stock set on and you bring it up to seven. If the brake is US made, even better, but hardly necessary. Another easy compliance part is the gas piston. All of these parts are readily available from Tapco or K-Var or Red Star Arms.

So, if you want as close as possible to an authentic AK and still be legal, have the brake fixed on permanently, put enough US made parts in and you're fine.

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