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Posted: 1/19/2013 7:09:31 PM EDT
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Since you would have to register it anyway, the answer might be why the fuck not? Since it is more of a crime to have a 30 round mag than a full auto, who knows what's expected?
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Posted: 1/19/2013 7:44:28 PM EDT
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I built an AR15 this past June with a fixed stock, pinned muzzle comp, no bayonet lug, and everything else necessary to make it not qualify as an Assault weapon under NY's Assault Weapon Ban. After looking through this POS (http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq), it has come to my attention that now anything on the end of my barrel and any form of grip qualifies my gun as an assault weapon and forces me to register it. My question is, since the goddam thing is already an "assault weapon," can I now put whatever the hell I want on it? I.e. can I put a telescoping stock, front grip, etc. on it? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Ditto I want to hear this too. From what I understood from reading the law, you will still have to have a pinned stock, and comp, unless it was a pre 1994 just like the now debunked old ban. Of coarse it's hard to understand a 3rd grade level paragraph. 
I am really hoping that since you will have to register it no matter what, you will be able to go with whatever you want now? Not sure though? Need more input. |
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Posted: 1/19/2013 7:50:01 PM EDT
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In
I gots ta know.... 
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Posted: 1/19/2013 7:57:45 PM EDT
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YES They will give you anything you need
 Oh i mean you can have anything you want on your rifle all you have to do it register REGISTER IT NOW haha 
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Posted: 1/19/2013 8:00:42 PM EDT
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No, the rifle has to stay in the post 1994 ban configuration or it will be double illegal.
No really, it is in the there. But then again why the fuck not, it's already illegal. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:24:16 AM EDT
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That's the impression I've gotten from reading the law, but I don't think anyone knows what the actual answer will be. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:32:04 AM EDT
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I am calling the troopers on Monday to ask this very question, Where specifically does it say you cant change cosmetic features?
1-855-LAW GUNS was set up so we can call in and get a ruling. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:39:17 AM EDT
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The way I read it is that you are allowed 2 evil features but you have to register it. Unless it was a Pre94 ban rifle in which case you can have all the features you want but still must register it.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 2:25:13 AM EDT
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Lots of "I heard..." going on.
Today, I heard in GD that if you even look at a bat, you immediately get rabies and die on a snowmobile on the beach. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:18:30 AM EDT
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I just had the same thought this morning while in the shower. Just came to post the same question.
While I would give anything to go back to the way it was a month ago (as sad as that is), if we can add as many evil features as we want on it might be a small concession for those of use currently owning these guns. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:39:14 AM EDT
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Huge magpul group by for the NY forum?
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Posted: 1/20/2013 4:56:05 AM EDT
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It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:00:10 AM EDT
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It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it. This |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:13:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it. Then it is definitely a change from the original AWB 2 that is for the most part what passed. In its original form, it completely repealed the AWB of 2000 and replaced it with a new ban that did not distinguish pre-1994 and post-1994 firearms. The feature test applied to all new firearms and those that were not registered. I guess we wait until all amendments have been passed and the bill is finally codified. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:22:22 AM EDT
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It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it. Then it is definitely a change from the original AWB 2 that is for the most part what passed. In its original form, it completely repealed the AWB of 2000 and replaced it with a new ban that did not distinguish pre-1994 and post-1994 firearms. The feature test applied to all new firearms and those that were not registered. I guess we wait until all amendments have been passed and the bill is finally codified. You got bad information from somewhere, because it's been this way since Tuesday night. It was this way on Wednesday as well. Go here and scroll to 265.00 sub 22 line viii sub (e) and (f) where it specifically references the 1994 law as well as the 2000 permanency and then F states any guns post 1994 must exist as the ban states in the law prior to the new 2013 ban. Those lines have not changed. At all. They were in the bill as it passed and were updated into the online 265 database by the state Wednesday night, |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:30:00 AM EDT
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(viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or
firearm; (d) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (e) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in subparagraph (v) of paragraph (e) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 of this chapter as added by chapter one hundred eighty-nine of the laws of two thousand and otherwise lawfully possessed pursuant to such chapter of the laws of two thousand prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four; (f) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of this subdivision, possessed prior to the date of enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph; I read that as encompassing both previously grandfathered guns and post-ban 2 features guns now being classified as assault weapons, where does it say the configuration of such items is to be static? |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 5:38:27 AM EDT
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Lots of "I heard..." going on. Today, I heard in GD that if you even look at a bat, you immediately get rabies and die on a snowmobile on the beach. Lmao |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 6:25:43 AM EDT
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(viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; (d) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (e) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in subparagraph (v) of paragraph (e) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 of this chapter as added by chapter one hundred eighty-nine of the laws of two thousand and otherwise lawfully possessed pursuant to such chapter of the laws of two thousand prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four; (f) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of this subdivision, possessed prior to the date of enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph; I read that as encompassing both previously grandfathered guns and post-ban 2 features guns now being classified as assault weapons, where does it say the configuration of such items is to be static? "Lawfully possessed" according to the laws of xxxyyy. Lawfully possessed means in the correct configuration for that time period. So, preban = all evil features. 1994-2013 = 1 evil feature as defined in the original ban. 2014-on = 0 evil features as defined in the expanded definitions of 1/15/13. Prebans are still good to go. Sucks for all those who dumped theirs already. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 8:54:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it. Then it is definitely a change from the original AWB 2 that is for the most part what passed. In its original form, it completely repealed the AWB of 2000 and replaced it with a new ban that did not distinguish pre-1994 and post-1994 firearms. The feature test applied to all new firearms and those that were not registered. I guess we wait until all amendments have been passed and the bill is finally codified. You got bad information from somewhere, because it's been this way since Tuesday night. It was this way on Wednesday as well. Go here and scroll to 265.00 sub 22 line viii sub (e) and (f) where it specifically references the 1994 law as well as the 2000 permanency and then F states any guns post 1994 must exist as the ban states in the law prior to the new 2013 ban. Those lines have not changed. At all. They were in the bill as it passed and were updated into the online 265 database by the state Wednesday night, I was quoting the original AWB 2, not what passed in the SAFE act. As I stated, the AWB 2 that was being pushed for years did repeal the 2000 restrictions. That is apparently NOT the case with SAFE. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:37:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's written into the law that you can't. 2 separate 2a lawyers in NY have confirmed it. Then it is definitely a change from the original AWB 2 that is for the most part what passed. In its original form, it completely repealed the AWB of 2000 and replaced it with a new ban that did not distinguish pre-1994 and post-1994 firearms. The feature test applied to all new firearms and those that were not registered. I guess we wait until all amendments have been passed and the bill is finally codified. You got bad information from somewhere, because it's been this way since Tuesday night. It was this way on Wednesday as well. Go here and scroll to 265.00 sub 22 line viii sub (e) and (f) where it specifically references the 1994 law as well as the 2000 permanency and then F states any guns post 1994 must exist as the ban states in the law prior to the new 2013 ban. Those lines have not changed. At all. They were in the bill as it passed and were updated into the online 265 database by the state Wednesday night, I was quoting the original AWB 2, not what passed in the SAFE act. As I stated, the AWB 2 that was being pushed for years did repeal the 2000 restrictions. That is apparently NOT the case with SAFE. Yes it is. Actually it's stricken, not repealed. Everything you see in the bill that is in brackets is stricken, including the entire definition of an assault weapon from the 2000 ban. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 3:56:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: That subsection merely clarifies that lawfully possessed pre 94 guns and post 94 guns - which previously were not classified as assault weapons - are now assault weapons. It does not freeze any gun in any particular configuration.Quoted: (viii) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm; (d) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (e) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in subparagraph (v) of paragraph (e) of subdivision twenty-two of section 265.00 of this chapter as added by chapter one hundred eighty-nine of the laws of two thousand and otherwise lawfully possessed pursuant to such chapter of the laws of two thousand prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four; (f) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic pistol or weapon defined in paragraph (a), (b) or (c) of this subdivision, possessed prior to the date of enactment of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph; I read that as encompassing both previously grandfathered guns and post-ban 2 features guns now being classified as assault weapons, where does it say the configuration of such items is to be static? "Lawfully possessed" according to the laws of xxxyyy. Lawfully possessed means in the correct configuration for that time period. So, preban = all evil features. 1994-2013 = 1 evil feature as defined in the original ban. 2014-on = 0 evil features as defined in the expanded definitions of 1/15/13. Prebans are still good to go. Sucks for all those who dumped theirs already. Subsection f does something similar. Both provisions are clearly intended to clarify that there is no grandfather in this bill. Sure, you can keep them, but they are still assault weapons. Under the 2000 ban, pre 94 guns were by definition not assault weapons.
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