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Posted: 11/20/2008 6:47:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 6:48:36 AM EDT by engineer2001]
If you don't vote and Jim Martin wins, it's all your fault. Just so you know. And, the Democrats are sneaking that 60-member filibuster-proof senate in sideways. The news reported they didn't get it after the election, so everyone stopped caring.

Ted Stevens' Alaska seat went to the Democrat (they finally counted the votes, I guess). Al Franken is getting a recount in Minnesota, and it is expected he will win as well. If Saxby loses to Martin, they have their 60, and they can ram legislation through to Obama's desk unopposed.

Get out and vote.

http://www.macon.com/149/story/530963.html


NRA offical: Chambliss' re-election crucial to protecting gun rights

PERRY –– Describing the stark descent into heavy gun-regulation that they say Barack Obama's presidential administration will seek, National Rifle Association officials came to town Wednesday and called U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss' re-election crucial to protecting freedom and blocking a far-left agenda.

Chambliss, who's in a Dec. 2 Senate runoff with Jim Martin, could represent the last line of defense between Democrats and a filibuster-proof team of 60 senators in Congress. That would give the Democrats powerful control in Washington, since the filibuster is a long-standing tool for minority parties to block legislation.

With NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre headlining the rally, speakers didn't pull any punches as they derided Obama's promises to protect gun rights as mere electioneering. A crowd of nearly 100 attendees — many wearing "I'm a bitter gun owner and I vote" stickers— lapped it up.

"(This election is) the difference between freedom in America and not," state Sen. Ross Tolleson, R-Perry, said in his introduction.

"There's not a more important place ... if you believe in the 2nd Amendment ... than right here in Georgia," LaPierre said.

Obama is going to "break that promise" to protect gun rights by caving to the anti-gun lobby, LaPierre said. He has a history of supporting gun-control legislation and higher taxes on guns and ammunition, and Chambliss' seat is crucial to blocking legislation of the sort, LaPierre said.

With the news that Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens lost re-election and a Minnesota Senate race still up in the air, Chambliss could represent the last Republican chance to keep 41 seats in the Senate. Republicans and Democrats alike are throwing money and resources into the race. Martin, for example, was in Atlanta for a rally with former President Bill Clinton on Wednesday.

If Republicans can't block bills in the Senate, "it's going to be your taxes going up immediately," Chambliss said. "It's going to be liberal federal judges," the senator said. "It is imperative that we have the ability in the Senate to block or shape (bad legislation)."


I'm sending in a request for my absentee ballot right now. If I don't get it in time, I will have to miss work, but I'll vote.


Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:53:57 AM EDT
I vote every time the polls are open



I would vote twice or eight times if they would let me.........but that would make me a democrat
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 6:57:54 AM EDT
I'm not sure if I'm going to vote. I don't want to vote for Saxby. Why? Because:

1) He supports Amnesty
2) He never supported gun owners/businesses that were under attack by Bush's ATF
3) $700B pissed away paying off Paulson's buddies
4) $5T liability for our children
6) Ag Bill
7) $4/gallon of gas - gang of 10 antics
8) Increases in HB1 visas and farm worker visas

So tell me, how is Martin any worse.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to the O and so are my investments. Bush/Saxby have destroyed them intentionally.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:07:36 AM EDT
I don't want to vote for Saxby either. I'm going to, though. Do you want the Democrats to have 60 seats in the senate? Do you like the notion of an unstoppable majority? Do you like liar Jim Martin who lies about the Fair Tax so much that they actually list him on their Hall of Shame?

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=HallofShame

I didn't vote for Saxby in the general election either (Buckley), but now is no time to screw around. I'm sure he got the point, and he's going to shape up now. If not, we can dump him or Isuckson next time.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:18:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 7:22:41 AM EDT by The-Bald-Monk]
Saxby makes me mad as he** at times.
He is a follower and not a leader

Martin pisses me off with every ad he puts out.
I am big supporter of the Fair Tax and his ad (Dem Senate Campaign Group actually) on Chambliss's vote for the the Fair Tax is an outright lie.

From a gun owner's POV

Five 2one posted this in another thread

Dear Mr. Five2one,

Thank you for your note. Jim Martin supports the Second Amendment and
the right to bear arms. He would only support renewing the Assault
Weapons Ban Bill
provided that the prohibitions in the bill are
narrowly construed and reasonably related to keeping the most
dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally
disabled.

Best wishes,
Laura


Your investments will be heavily taxed on Obama.
Heck the Dems are talking about ending the tax breaks for 401ks and possible taking over the existing accounts (Tin Foil Hat Warning)


The Bald Monk
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:49:34 AM EDT
I also vote every time the polls are open. last local election we had I was the 100th vote in my area. I got there at 1830 :(

honest question here, Obama was the reason so many dems came out to vote last time and they paid allot in advertising to get them out. do you really think they will have a big turn out on the re-election? I heard Osama say to go out and vote early you don't want to chance that your alarm won't go off and you will sleep through the presidential election. knowing it took stuff like that to get them out do you really think they will come back out?

I don't think the re-election will be close at all.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 7:56:51 AM EDT
I'm not scared of an O' presidency. His ability to pull us left is severly limited by how bad W and his band of idiots (including Idiot Chambliss) have screwed us.

Mark these words .... Obama will persue a JFK path of tax cutting and tough on defense. He has too. He has no options. Come four years from now, he'll win re-election by a landslide because the economy will recover and we are out of Iraq. I project that the Dems will have a strangle hold on government for another 8 years.

With that in mind, is having a Dem in the Senate better for Georgia than a Republican? I would think a Dem is better so we have access to power and the O has to protect a member of his party. $700B Chambliss will be an outsider. His pathetic influence will be further reduced, much like my 401K.

Look at me ... I think I convinced myself to vote for Martin.

I got to think more about this one and may need to be drunk to actually do it.

Mike

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 8:14:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 8:14:28 AM EDT by engineer2001]
Ok, let me change that. Please get out and vote unless you're from Philly.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 8:21:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 8:27:22 AM EDT by The-Bald-Monk]
Mike

How about selling me your AR?

In BO's and JB's own words from change.gov

They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.


Look at the people he is picking for his cabinet. It is the return of the Clinton cronies.

Obama and the Dems will steer us hard left and will:

Raise taxes
Bail out the Big 3 to save the UAW
Spend even more $$$$ on bailouts
Cram a national health care program down our throats
Pass another AWB (permanent and with even more restrictions)
Close Gitmo and release the terrorist being held there
Appoint leftist judges
Ban CCW in all states

In now way is BO and his policies pro business
4 (or 8) years of BO and you won’t have a 401k it will be seized by the Dems for the good of every

Martin will be so far down on the totem pole for Dems. He will have no pull. Saxby can at least vote against BO and Reid.

As for Iraq, that campaign is won. The surge has defeated the local AQI and the foreign AQ terrorist. Our presence in Iraq will resemble our presence in South Korea.

The Bald Monk
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:06:01 AM EDT
How about selling me your AR?


NO I'm not that convinced of my position. I thought W would do good but he has turned into an utter disaster. Shite ...he knows better. Its like he quit being a leader 6 years ago. W has been especially horrible in the last several months. Paulson should be shot for his stupid $700B plan. I wouldn' t be surprised if Paulson was an Obama plant/stooge.

True story about Philly. My grandfather was a mucky muck in the Dem party. On election day, they put all of the union guys on buses and transport them to all of the polls. Occasionally stopping at a bar for food and lots of liquor. My mom estimated that he probably voted 30 times during the day.

Here are a couple of kickers. They rode around in School District buses, never had to wait in line, and were allowed to vote after the polls closed. In Philly, they know how to steal elections.

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:29:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 9:31:56 AM EDT by The-Bald-Monk]
Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:

NO I'm not that convinced of my position. I thought W would do good but he has turned into an utter disaster. Shite ...he knows better. Its like he quit being a leader 6 years ago. W has been especially horrible in the last several months. Paulson should be shot for his stupid $700B plan. I wouldn' t be surprised if Paulson was an Obama plant/stooge.

True story about Philly. My grandfather was a mucky muck in the Dem party. On election day, they put all of the union guys on buses and transport them to all of the polls. Occasionally stopping at a bar for food and lots of liquor. My mom estimated that he probably voted 30 times during the day.

Here are a couple of kickers. They rode around in School District buses, never had to wait in line, and were allowed to vote after the polls closed. In Philly, they know how to steal elections.



There is hope for you yet Mike
I understand your frustration and aggravation the Bush administration.
No Child Left Behind and his stance on immigration drives me insane
W’s Compassionate Conservatism is Socialism Light.
Bush has been passive on all matters other than international terrorism.

Paulson is in over his head, however I don’t think any one knows what to do.
Which is why the Feds should stay out of the markets. The strong will survive and the weak will not. Propping up weak or poorly run companies will only make the situation worse.

A vote for Martin is vote for more goverment intervention not less.
Name the last time .gov did some thing right?
Sure our .mil has done things right but not .gov

The Bald Monk
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:35:03 AM EDT
Well, we're all on the same page on the issues it seems.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 9:41:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By engineer2001:
Well, we're all on the same page on the issues it seems.


+1
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:17:03 AM EDT
Just voted in person at the North Fulton Annex. There was a line of 15 people filling out forms. The Mrs. went and voted as well.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 10:33:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/20/2008 10:38:13 AM EDT by mikefromphilly]
Originally Posted By engineer2001:
Well, we're all on the same page on the issues it seems.


Yes, we are.


I think I'm going to need a bumper sticker that reads .........

Forgive Me, I Voted For Idiot Chambliss
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 11:37:21 AM EDT
i just don't understand what all the hype is about. saxby has sold us down the river for the last 6 years as noted above. more than that, it doesn't matter if he is re-elected or not. with the dems this close, are you telling me there isn't 1 rino out there that won't swing the vote?

on the bright side, democrats wanted to be in charge, and they'll own the problems that are ongoing. with control of the congress and presidency, they can't blame the GOP when the crap truly hits the fan. i just hope the next four years relegates them to the minority party for the next 30 years a la jimmy carter.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 12:57:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mattellis2:
i just don't understand what all the hype is about. saxby has sold us down the river for the last 6 years as noted above. more than that, it doesn't matter if he is re-elected or not. with the dems this close, are you telling me there isn't 1 rino out there that won't swing the vote?

on the bright side, democrats wanted to be in charge, and they'll own the problems that are ongoing. with control of the congress and presidency, they can't blame the GOP when the crap truly hits the fan. i just hope the next four years relegates them to the minority party for the next 30 years a la jimmy carter.

Bill Clinton in 94 was the minority party?
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 1:35:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By caver101:
I vote every time the polls are open



I would vote twice or eight times if they would let me.........but that would make me a democrat
This^. Well said.

If Zaxby does not get back in we are sooooooo screwd we may never recover from this loss of freedom.

Link Posted: 11/20/2008 1:37:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
Originally Posted By caver101:
I vote every time the polls are open



I would vote twice or eight times if they would let me.........but that would make me a democrat
This^. Well said.

If Zaxby does not get back in we are sooooooo screwd we may never recover from this loss of freedom.


"We had quitters in the revolution too, we called them Kentuckians!" - George Washington
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 2:32:17 PM EDT
Be prepared ... my ever lovely and patient wife predicts a Martin win.

Everyday, the market plunges and Bush Idiots are on TV is another 0.25% advantage to Martin. My wife is an excellent predictor of elections (many years ago she was a moderator of focus groups).

Sorry guys, the the woman has the sense. Very accurate.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 2:40:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By engineer2001:
If you don't vote and Jim Martin wins, it's all your fault.




And that's a fact!
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 3:52:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mikefromphilly:
I'm not sure if I'm going to vote. I don't want to vote for Saxby. Why? Because:

1) He supports Amnesty
2) He never supported gun owners/businesses that were under attack by Bush's ATF
3) $700B pissed away paying off Paulson's buddies
4) $5T liability for our children
6) Ag Bill
7) $4/gallon of gas - gang of 10 antics
8) Increases in HB1 visas and farm worker visas

So tell me, how is Martin any worse.

Frankly, I'm looking forward to the O and so are my investments. Bush/Saxby have destroyed them intentionally.


Tell me how Bush destroyed your investments and was responsible for a temporary spike in the price of gas?

Just wait until Obama announces that there will be no drilling and shuts down the coal industry as he has said he would.

How is Martin worse? I guess you haven't been listening to his lies that pass as campaign ads.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:06:23 PM EDT
Tell me how Bush destroyed your investments and was responsible for a temporary spike in the price of gas?


1) His Securities Exchange Commision REFUSED to investigate proven instances of naked short selling. Why? To protect Paulson's buddies who were doing it. There were stocks that had short interest of over 100% of its float.

2) His Treasury Secretary running around like a chicken-little screaming depression depression. I'm sorry but that doesn't inspire confidence in a time where confidence is needed most.

3) The feds refusal to lower interest rates when Asia did its first plunge. Even Cramer recognized a problem when that happened and told his minnions to get out of the market ... which so far was a great call (so unlike Cramer).

4) His plan to throw $700B randomly into the economy. Plus the $5T the Fed is on the hook for. So much for fiscal discipline. Its amature hour at the Treasury. Until they shut up and stop doing what they are doing, the market will continue to collapse.

5) His Commodities Futures Commision refused to increase the margin requirement for trading energy commodities from a rediculously low 10%. Think about that leverage.

4) His EPA prevented the construction and expansion of Refineries and completion of Yucca Mtn. nuclear storage site.

5) He refused to aggressively open up land for drilling the US and refused until recently to lift HIS executive order bannin on offshore drilling.

6) His people jacked around with Iraq's oil industry instead of having US oil companies take it over and run it from day one.


Just wait until Obama announces that there will be no drilling and shuts down the coal industry as he has said he would.


In college, we had a motto ... ban mining - let the bastards freeze in the dark. We'll see what the O does. I doubt he'll destroy his re-election chances destroying the economy.



How is Martin worse? I guess you haven't been listening to his lies that pass as campaign ads.


You are right. I haven't seen the ads. I don't watch much TV or listen the radio.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:31:32 PM EDT
One more cheery thought about W and the GOP's legacy.

June 6, 1997: DOW 7435.78
Nov 20, 2008: DOW 7552.29

The lost decade.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:34:59 PM EDT
Mikefromphilly 2
Larryg 0


Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:44:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DKing:
Mikefromphilly 2
Larryg 0





Maybe in your twisted mind.
Link Posted: 11/20/2008 5:52:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By DKing:
Mikefromphilly 2
Larryg 0





Maybe in your twisted mind.


He's already demanding a recount. Judges decisions are final!
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 5:33:00 PM EDT
I just got the same stupid form letter/e-mail from them as well........and I replied back that I wanted clarification and wanted to know if he even knew what an "assault rifle" was..........we shall see what they say


Originally Posted By The-Bald-Monk:
Saxby makes me mad as he** at times.
He is a follower and not a leader

Martin pisses me off with every ad he puts out.
I am big supporter of the Fair Tax and his ad (Dem Senate Campaign Group actually) on Chambliss's vote for the the Fair Tax is an outright lie.

From a gun owner's POV

Five 2one posted this in another thread

Dear Mr. Five2one,

Thank you for your note. Jim Martin supports the Second Amendment and
the right to bear arms. He would only support renewing the Assault
Weapons Ban Bill
provided that the prohibitions in the bill are
narrowly construed and reasonably related to keeping the most
dangerous weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally
disabled.

Best wishes,
Laura


Your investments will be heavily taxed on Obama.
Heck the Dems are talking about ending the tax breaks for 401ks and possible taking over the existing accounts (Tin Foil Hat Warning)


The Bald Monk


Link Posted: 11/21/2008 10:49:52 PM EDT
Look folks, this is the last time I hold my nose and punch an R. I didn't vote for Saxby, I voted against Martin because his fellows pissed me off with their blatant lies about the Fair Tax. I'll be voting against Martin again in the runoff, but that's it. I'm done voting for either of them unless they can show me a reason to vote *for* them again. Not reason to vote against whomever is running against them. Both sides have shown they are wiling to fuck us blind and I'm tired of it. The way I see it, both parties have been steering this country down the wrong road. One of them just prefers to hug the other side of the median than the other.

If Saxby wins, I'll be sending him and Isakson a letter to that effect.
Link Posted: 11/22/2008 4:25:18 AM EDT
Just posting as additional information, take it for what it is worth:

Subject: "Martin wrong for Georgia" Letter to the Editor

Thursday, November 20, 2008
Savannah Morning News
Martin wrong for Georgia
By Sen. Eric Johnson

I served with Jim Martin in the Georgia state legislature and would like to offer a few thoughts on Mr. Martin's candidacy for U.S. Senate before the vote on December 2.

During our time in the legislature, the U. S. Supreme Court threw out prayer in school. Georgia was enacting a "Moment of Silence" alternative and I wrote an amendment that specifically permitted student-initiated prayer at school and school events (which was permitted by the court decision). We wanted to make absolutely certain that school administrators and lawyers knew this and felt the cover of state law. When Rep. Max Davis presented the amendment, Jim Martin, oblivious to the values of Georgians, voted against it. He then voted against the entire bill. Thank goodness it passed anyway so that our students have religious freedom.

I also co-sponsored a bill in the Senate that made English the official language of the State of Georgia. It passed the Senate and reached the floor of the House. Jim Martin was one of the few "NO" votes.

Jim Martin also voted to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for drug dealers and voted against making the most violent criminals serve their entire prison sentence. Criminals in our society should be punished for their crimes, not given an easy way out. Ten years should mean ten years! To add insult to injury, Jim Martin was the only member of the Georgia House to vote against making it a felony to distribute illegal drugs within 1,000 feet of school property. In Mr. Martin's world, criminals are the victims and victims are the criminals.

In addition to these issues, Mr. Martin voted for what the largest tax increase in Georgia history, opposed Zell Miller's successful welfare reform efforts, and recently called the middle class a "state of mind."

Georgia has had both Republican and Democrat U. S. Senators. But we have never elected one as liberal as Jim Martin. Democrats like Mr. Martin may claim to work for the middle class and Martin himself may claim to want to work for Georgians, but based on his history, I would warn Georgia voters to be very, very cautious of what Mr. Martin says. After watching him vote firsthand, I know what he truly believes.

State Sen. Eric Johnson, R-Savannah, is president pro tempore of the Georgia Senate.
Link Posted: 11/22/2008 4:58:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By toqueville:
Look folks, this is the last time I hold my nose and punch an R. I didn't vote for Saxby, I voted against Martin because his fellows pissed me off with their blatant lies about the Fair Tax. I'll be voting against Martin again in the runoff, but that's it. I'm done voting for either of them unless they can show me a reason to vote *for* them again. Not reason to vote against whomever is running against them. Both sides have shown they are wiling to fuck us blind and I'm tired of it. The way I see it, both parties have been steering this country down the wrong road. One of them just prefers to hug the other side of the median than the other.

If Saxby wins, I'll be sending him and Isakson a letter to that effect.


I felt that same way when I voted for McAmnesty and still do. I'd really like to stay home and have sex with my wife. If I'm going to get screwed, I'd like it to be with the one I love.

I hate that the NRA is involved. Now the race has become a test of the strength of the gun vote. If Saxby fails, then we lose alot of our power and juice with the Republicans. A Saxby loss could ripple out and weaken GeorgiaCarry's efforts with the the Senate Firearms Study Committee as the gun vote will be demonstrated to be impotent.

What a friggn' mess.

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