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Posted: 4/6/2006 9:32:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
Night Vision Rifle Scopes (sniper scopes)

Title 2 of part 4 of the penal code, 468. Any person who knowingly buys, sells, receives, disposes of, conceals, or has in his possession a sniperscope shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

As used in this section, sniperscope means any attachment, device or similar contrivance designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm which, through the use of a projected infrared light source and electronic telescope, enables the operator thereof to visually determine and locate the presence of objects during the nighttime. This section shall not prohibit the authorized use or possession of such sniperscope by a member of the armed forces of the United States or by police officers, peace officers, or law enforcement officers authorized by the properly constituted authorities for the enforcement of law or ordinances; nor shall this section prohibit the use or possession of such sniperscope when used solely for scientific research or educational purposes.

Paul - it appears to be legal to have a Night Vision Rifle Scope that does NOT use an IR illuminator. Goggles are NOT covered by this penal code.



Are there some specific examples of what is/isn't legal here?
Does this include use of IR sources remote ftom the NVD (like a flashlight)?

Sorry if this gets asked a lot.
Link Posted: 4/6/2006 11:09:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/6/2006 11:14:50 PM EDT by Mike_Mills]
This was written around the Viet Nam era "Starlight" sniperscopes - the ones with the IR searchlight mounted above the image intensifier-augmented scope.

If you have an IR laser mounted on your rifle AND a night vision scope, you would also be violating this law.

You can have the NV device alone but NOT in conjunction with the IR laser.

Be very careful if you have an IR laser on the rifle and a NV goggle. The PVS14-type image intensifier device, even if mounted in a goggle, is also actually "designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm". Just about any goggle NVD is adaptable for use on a firearm. After all, what does "adaptable" mean, anyway?
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 7:18:36 AM EDT
I was always under the impression that you couldn't have any NV scope that could attach to a weapon. The law reads like you can't have the NV scope + IR device. Does any modern NV scope have any built in IR technology that may be internal? Any one have any other input on this?
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 8:47:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theseacow:
I was always under the impression that you couldn't have any NV scope that could attach to a weapon. The law reads like you can't have the NV scope + IR device. Does any modern NV scope have any built in IR technology that may be internal? Any one have any other input on this?



Several ATN scopes have IR illuminators. Some folks have already gotten in trouble in CA for having them, IIRC

Bare NV scopes without illumination are perfectly legal in CA.


Bill Wiese
San Jose



Link Posted: 4/7/2006 9:43:18 AM EDT
Thanks bill. So a pvs-14 is legal in kalifornia then...... right?
Link Posted: 4/7/2006 12:16:35 PM EDT
Anyone make legal, adaptable NVDs that don't cost an arm and a leg?

I'm guessing it's also a no-no to have a NV with a disabled illuminator as well?
Link Posted: 4/8/2006 3:36:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/8/2006 3:38:29 PM EDT by AyeGuy]

Originally Posted By Mike_Mills:
This was written around the Viet Nam era "Starlight" sniperscopes - the ones with the IR searchlight mounted above the image intensifier-augmented scope.

If you have an IR laser mounted on your rifle AND a night vision scope, you would also be violating this law.

You can have the NV device alone but NOT in conjunction with the IR laser.

Be very careful if you have an IR laser on the rifle and a NV goggle. The PVS14-type image intensifier device, even if mounted in a goggle, is also actually "designed for or adaptable to use on a firearm". Just about any goggle NVD is adaptable for use on a firearm. After all, what does "adaptable" mean, anyway?



Nah...

The law says nothing about "lasers", so you can not be in violation of it!

EDIT

I have seen NV scopes with IR illuminaters for sale at all the gunshows for many years.

Care to name any prosecutions?
Link Posted: 4/9/2006 11:07:08 AM EDT
The law states an "electronic telescope". A telescope is defined as "An arrangement of lenses or mirrors or both that gathers visible light, permitting direct observation or photographic recording of distant objects" My interpretation would be that as long as there is no magnification device attached, having a NV device in-line with a red dot scope would be legal even if you had an IR source. But WTF do I know.

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