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Posted: 3/22/2017 8:01:28 AM EDT
Seen this? Wondering what all cartridges are on the "approved list" or if it has any chance of passing

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/20/iowa-senate-advances-bill-allow-rifles-firing-pistol-ammo-deer-hunts/99412608/
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 1:25:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2017 1:26:31 PM EDT by Inspector2211]
Per the story and the DNR website, .357 and larger, straight wall with expanding type bullet, ammo. I would guess that it would include everything that fits the above description.

Gives me a reason to get a lever gun in 45-70 maybe.

ETA: I searched for a comprehensive list of each round included but failed.
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 1:56:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Inspector2211:
Per the story and the DNR website, .357 and larger, straight wall with expanding type bullet, ammo. I would guess that it would include everything that fits the above description.

Gives me a reason to get a lever gun in 45-70 maybe.

ETA: I searched for a comprehensive list of each round included but failed.
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Damn i wish 450 bushmaster was on there

Link Posted: 3/22/2017 6:51:16 PM EDT
Would be great to see this one go through. Then would come the decision on which caliber to choose.
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 7:49:29 PM EDT
Might be time for a custom "Go screw yourself DNR 357 Super Ultra Mag" How about one that has enough case capacity to drive a 140gr Hornady FTX bullet 2500-2700fps? Some wildcatter should be able to do that...
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 9:16:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:


Damn i wish 450 bushmaster was on there

http://i.imgur.com/e1on4yB.jpg
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Thanks for posting the list. I don't know why I couldn't find it, I'd seen it before.
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 9:33:46 PM EDT
Maybe do a .50 Beowulf upper?
Link Posted: 3/22/2017 11:57:06 PM EDT
I've been wanting to shoot deer with a scoped 44 mag lever gun for a long time as I hate slug hunting and the muzzy season is just too early and then too late for me. I would like to see this go through.
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 8:36:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Countryboycarter87:
I've been wanting to shoot deer with a scoped 44 mag lever gun for a long time as I hate slug hunting and the muzzy season is just too early and then too late for me. I would like to see this go through.
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Let's make some phone calls.
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 9:05:34 AM EDT
Nice cloudy language about "no long barrel conversions". Min is 4", why can't they arbitrarily set a stupid max length rather than leaving it murky?
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 11:17:15 AM EDT
Have made calls, have spoken face to face with reps, have sent many emails on all issues in Iowa.
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 11:48:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Countryboycarter87:
Have made calls, have spoken face to face with reps, have sent many emails on all issues in Iowa.
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Link Posted: 3/23/2017 12:36:21 PM EDT
Heres how its worded
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 1:37:06 PM EDT

"In addition, the commission shall provide, by rule, for the
use of straight wall ammunition under this subsection that
meets ballistics specifications similar to the requirements
for straight wall ammunition allowed for use in a pistol or
revolver for hunting deer as provided in subsection 5."

By the way I read this it seems that the list should be expanded to include more cartridges.
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 3:31:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By river_rat:

"In addition, the commission shall provide, by rule, for the
use of straight wall ammunition under this subsection that
meets ballistics specifications similar to the requirements
for straight wall ammunition allowed for use in a pistol or
revolver for hunting deer as provided in subsection 5."

By the way I read this it seems that the list should be expanded to include more cartridges.
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I hope so
Link Posted: 3/23/2017 8:45:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2017 8:59:39 PM EDT by shack357]
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Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:
Nice cloudy language about "no long barrel conversions". Min is 4", why can't they arbitrarily set a stupid max length rather than leaving it murky?
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And, what constitutes a long barrel modification? .45-70 barrels for my Contender are available in lengths over 20" from the factory. If I don't have a stock is that a mod?

ETA-my $250 Marlin 1895 might get to put a hole in something other than paper this year!
Link Posted: 3/24/2017 9:51:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By F224:
Might be time for a custom "Go screw yourself DNR 357 Super Ultra Mag" How about one that has enough case capacity to drive a 140gr Hornady FTX bullet 2500-2700fps? Some wildcatter should be able to do that...
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How fast is a 140 from a .357 Maximum at safe pressure levels? Deer would be a great use for the round.

Maybe Leverevolution bullets? The pointed bullet might squeeze a touch more fps out of it too. Might not reach 2500, but Max would be a great deer round.
Link Posted: 3/24/2017 9:54:21 PM EDT
10mm AR pistol, here I come.
Link Posted: 3/24/2017 10:03:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts:
10mm AR pistol, here I come.
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10MM in an AR pistol would already be good to go. This would allow the same in a rifle. 16", stock, then if we get SBRs allowed get a tax stamp for next year!
Link Posted: 3/24/2017 10:11:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:

10MM in an AR pistol would already be good to go. This would allow the same in a rifle. 16", stock, then if we get SBRs allowed get a tax stamp for next year!
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Well giddy up, I would definitely shoot a deer given that
Link Posted: 3/24/2017 11:06:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts:


Well giddy up, I would definitely shoot a deer given that
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For a short time last year(or maybe 2 years ago) Bud's LE trade in had AR carbines in .40 for something like $479. I almost bought one to ream the chamber to 10MM. Now I really wish I had. 10MM out of a rifle would be great.
Link Posted: 3/25/2017 5:25:00 PM EDT
I hope this passes.  

I'd love a different season, but I'll take what we can get.
Link Posted: 3/25/2017 6:23:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By timthemedic:
I hope this passes.  

I'd love a different season, but I'll take what we can get.
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To get it as a different season we'd probably have to deal with them replacing one of the existing seasons with a rifle season. I highly doubt they'd give a whole new season. Each season has enough of a following that a proposal to replace one would likely be met with such a fight they'd scrap the idea altogether.

Now, after a few seasons of straight wall rifles and no higher accident rate maybe they'll see the light and give us a full rifle hunt, one way or the other.
Link Posted: 3/30/2017 1:44:31 PM EDT
Any word on if this will pass the Senate?
Link Posted: 3/30/2017 2:38:00 PM EDT
Can't speak to whether or not it has the votes to pass, but it did clear the second funnel (today). So it's eligible for a vote in the full Senate. It passed the House 96-0 and no one is registered against it, so I wouldn't bet against it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2017 3:19:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CaesAR15:
Can't speak to whether or not it has the votes to pass, but it did clear the second funnel (today). So it's eligible for a vote in the full Senate. It passed the House 96-0 and no one is registered against it, so I wouldn't bet against it.
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Thank you
Link Posted: 3/30/2017 5:58:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CaesAR15:
Can't speak to whether or not it has the votes to pass, but it did clear the second funnel (today). So it's eligible for a vote in the full Senate. It passed the House 96-0 and no one is registered against it, so I wouldn't bet against it.
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I'm glad to see that Richard and Barry registered for it on 3/25.
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 7:06:28 PM EDT
Looks like it was passed?
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 9:19:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:
Looks like it was passed?
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Link Posted: 4/3/2017 9:48:07 PM EDT
Deer hunting with a Kriss Vector would be pretty awesome
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 10:52:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:
How fast is a 140 from a .357 Maximum at safe pressure levels? Deer would be a great use for the round.

Maybe Leverevolution bullets? The pointed bullet might squeeze a touch more fps out of it too. Might not reach 2500, but Max would be a great deer round.
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Originally Posted By shack357:
Originally Posted By F224:
Might be time for a custom "Go screw yourself DNR 357 Super Ultra Mag" How about one that has enough case capacity to drive a 140gr Hornady FTX bullet 2500-2700fps? Some wildcatter should be able to do that...
How fast is a 140 from a .357 Maximum at safe pressure levels? Deer would be a great use for the round.

Maybe Leverevolution bullets? The pointed bullet might squeeze a touch more fps out of it too. Might not reach 2500, but Max would be a great deer round.
You can get 2600+fps with the 140gr Hornady tipped bullets in a 20" barrel. After I wrote the original post this I did some research and found that the 357 Maximum is just about perfect in a 20" barrel and 2550-2700fps is routine at safe pressures.

It passed today: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/03/straight-wall-cartridge-rifle-deer-hunting-iowa/99989680/
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 11:00:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By F224:


You can get 2600+fps with the 140gr Hornady tipped bullets in a 20" barrel. After I wrote the original post this I did some research and found that the 357 Maximum is just about perfect in a 20" barrel and 2550-2700fps is routine at safe pressures.

It passed today: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/03/straight-wall-cartridge-rifle-deer-hunting-iowa/99989680/
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Now to come up with a magazine that would work. A Ruger 77/357Maximum would be sweet!
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 11:06:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:


Now to come up with a magazine that would work. A Ruger 77/357Maximum would be sweet!
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Oh damn i like that idea but make mine semi auto like their old 44mag carbines
Link Posted: 4/3/2017 11:24:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:


Oh damn i like that idea but make mine semi auto like their old 44mag carbines
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Even better!

ETA-in any case, looks like my .45-70 will get some exercise in December. And I had all but made up my mind to not bother with firearm deer hunting this year!-

Further ETA-just told my dad this passed, explained if allowed for handgun allowed for rifle. His response-"What about my Hornet?"

When he was a kid in Montana he shot a deer in the neck with a .22 hornet, dropped it where it stood, and to this day nothing will convince him that it's not a good deer gun. I told him buy a Rossi .357 for $200 or so.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 9:44:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By shack357:


Even better!

ETA-in any case, looks like my .45-70 will get some exercise in December. And I had all but made up my mind to not bother with firearm deer hunting this year!-

Further ETA-just told my dad this passed, explained if allowed for handgun allowed for rifle. His response-"What about my Hornet?"

When he was a kid in Montana he shot a deer in the neck with a .22 hornet, dropped it where it stood, and to this day nothing will convince him that it's not a good deer gun. I told him buy a Rossi .357 for $200 or so.
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New Rossi will run at least $450. The only used one I've ever seen was an older LSI import that I snagged for $400 a couple of years ago.
Link Posted: 4/4/2017 5:54:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ameshawki:


New Rossi will run at least $450. The only used one I've ever seen was an older LSI import that I snagged for $400 a couple of years ago.
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A new Rossi lever, yes. But the single shots can be had for the $200 range, usually with a shotgun barrel as well.
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 6:49:18 AM EDT
I think a 45-70 gov't may be in my future
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 7:36:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ford_shooter:
I think a 45-70 gov't may be in my future
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I know where a NEF Handi-Rifle can be had for a good price.
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 10:38:19 AM EDT
So I guess I now have to send in the forms to SBR my 10MM glock, and maybe get a threaded extended barrel, reflex sight mount, ......
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 8:15:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By amaixner:
So I guess I now have to send in the forms to SBR my 10MM glock, and maybe get a threaded extended barrel, reflex sight mount, ......
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a 10mm ar upper has my interest

http://www.rmwxtreme.com/#top
Link Posted: 4/5/2017 8:56:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:


a 10mm ar upper has my interest

http://www.rmwxtreme.com/#top
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I wish you hadn't posted that! I still haven't finished my current build!

I do have all the parts though, and it's at the smith being blued as we speak. Before and after pics will be posted, but it's not an AR.
Link Posted: 4/6/2017 2:26:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Iowaredneck:


Oh damn i like that idea but make mine semi auto like their old 44mag carbines
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I happen to have a 1962 vintage 44 mag carbine. Sweet little carbine.
Link Posted: 4/6/2017 8:52:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By river_rat:


I happen to have a 1962 vintage 44 mag carbine. Sweet little carbine.
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Very nice now she can do what she was made for
Link Posted: 4/6/2017 8:08:03 PM EDT
I guess I sold all my straight walled chambered leverguns a couple years too soon. I gave up gun hunting for deer a few years ago but maybe I might have to build a .50 Beowulf AR to take out.
Link Posted: 4/6/2017 11:14:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gunner76:
I guess I sold all my straight walled chambered leverguns a couple years too soon. I gave up gun hunting for deer a few years ago but maybe I might have to build a .50 Beowulf AR to take out.
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I wish I still had my winchester timber carbine in 444
Link Posted: 4/7/2017 12:08:10 AM EDT


IDK what I want, but I'm going to have to get something.  
Link Posted: 4/7/2017 9:51:01 AM EDT
I just realized that I already have a rifle that is compliant with this, but I don't really feel/know if it is powerful enough for a quick humane kill -- any opinion from more avid hunters?
It's a Beretta CX4, 16 inch barreled 40S&W. I'd presumably be using highend COTS loads (like buffalo bore 155 gr. 1,300 fps)
Link Posted: 4/7/2017 7:17:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By amaixner:
I just realized that I already have a rifle that is compliant with this, but I don't really feel/know if it is powerful enough for a quick humane kill -- any opinion from more avid hunters?
It's a Beretta CX4, 16 inch barreled 40S&W. I'd presumably be using highend COTS loads (like buffalo bore 155 gr. 1,300 fps)
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Inside of 60-75 yards it will be just fine.
Link Posted: 4/7/2017 7:36:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By amaixner:
I just realized that I already have a rifle that is compliant with this, but I don't really feel/know if it is powerful enough for a quick humane kill -- any opinion from more avid hunters?
It's a Beretta CX4, 16 inch barreled 40S&W. I'd presumably be using highend COTS loads (like buffalo bore 155 gr. 1,300 fps)
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keep ranges short and shots broadside and youll be killing deer

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html
Link Posted: 4/7/2017 10:17:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By amaixner:
I just realized that I already have a rifle that is compliant with this, but I don't really feel/know if it is powerful enough for a quick humane kill -- any opinion from more avid hunters?
It's a Beretta CX4, 16 inch barreled 40S&W. I'd presumably be using highend COTS loads (like buffalo bore 155 gr. 1,300 fps)
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I watched my wife's cousin shoot a deer with a .45 auto at about 20 yards. It died, fairly quickly. .40 has higher velocity, especially out of a rifle vs .45 out of a handgun. I wouldn't have a problem doing it. Just keep your shots reasonable and it'll die.
Link Posted: 4/9/2017 3:02:36 PM EDT
I was thinking .30 carbine was on the list for some reason, and I got all excited thinking I wouldn't need to buy a rifle.  Nope, no such luck.  
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