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9/17/2020 5:59:48 PM
Posted: 12/15/2009 9:44:18 PM EDT
What did you use to tame the night and how did it work out, and did it fall short in any areas and why. I could not make it out for various reasons but I think we would all benefit from hearing about how the gear worked out.

Discuss.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 6:49:31 AM EDT
The one issue I had was with my EagleTac flashlight.  While a good 300 lumen, it would go into strobe mode after the first shot then back to constant on for 2nd shot.   This was only mildly annoying. It did allow me to see all of the targets without a problem however, I just had to keep resetting the mode.

I have now switched out to a different light without the strobe feature.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 7:27:30 AM EDT
In my experiece, I don't know why any one wouldn't run a surefire.  Hands down the best.

I used a Surefire M900A, 120 luman and had no issues seeing the targets or having the light fail at the wrong time.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 10:30:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 11:01:33 AM EDT
I ran my KAC SR-15 with an Insight AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PVS-14 helmet mounted NVG. I'm not trying to gloat, but I had ZERO issues with my rig. In fact the only problem I had was on one of the stages the RO didn't score a good deal of my hits because I was firing in complete darkness.

So that strength also was a handicap if the RO's low light vision was impaired or he/she couldn't hear the pings on the steel.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 11:20:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Titleist1:
I ran my KAC SR-15 with an Insight AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PVS-14 helmet mounted NVG. I'm not trying to gloat, but I had ZERO issues with my rig. In fact the only problem I had was on one of the stages the RO didn't score a good deal of my hits because I was firing in complete darkness.

So that strength also was a handicap if the RO's low light vision was impaired or he/she couldn't hear the pings on the steel.


That sounds like a pretty expensive set up. I bet it is a crap load of fun to run.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 12:23:54 PM EDT
That sounds like a pretty expensive set up. I bet it is a crap load of fun to run.


Very much so!

It provides an advantage in ID'ing targets faster in the dark, it doesn't help you actually HIT said targets.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 1:11:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Titleist1:
That sounds like a pretty expensive set up. I bet it is a crap load of fun to run.


Very much so!

It provides an advantage in ID'ing targets faster in the dark, it doesn't help you actually HIT said targets.


Would you mind saying how much the setup cost?
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 1:16:58 PM EDT
I'd prefer not to openly. You're welcome to PM me. But I do not want to air what the gear actually cost.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 1:26:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2009 1:29:42 PM EDT by WS4LIF]
Originally Posted By Greenspan:
Originally Posted By Titleist1:
That sounds like a pretty expensive set up. I bet it is a crap load of fun to run.


Very much so!

It provides an advantage in ID'ing targets faster in the dark, it doesn't help you actually HIT said targets.


Would you mind saying how much the setup cost?


I paid $3400 for my PVS-14, the IR lasers are all over the board, but typically 1-2k.

I found it bulky and hard to see through, it also severly limited your field of view. Esp. sence you have to close one eye to look through the monical (atleast I do).  

Hard having a deprishating item sit in the safe unused so I sold all my stuff.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 1:45:12 PM EDT
Another thing people don't understand is that even with the best night vision, they require some light to work.

When I would go in my bathroom and turn out all the lights you couldn't really see much and was super grainy.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 2:08:25 PM EDT
I don't have that issue at all with my 14. I can move and shoot both eyes open.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:29:33 PM EDT
The AK worked perfectly, tritium sights included. I shot stage one without using the light at all and hit all the targets fairly fast.

My light, OTOH.

6v Surefire incandescent just couldn't cut the fog/mist on the long range targets. It lit up the mist and was worthless. I'm planning on swapping out the  incandescent bulbs with LED units before the next match.

Inside or at close range, the Surefire is fine but it just was pathetic compared to the narrow beam LED lights that Gunkata and some of the other guys had.

BSW
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 5:54:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By briansmithwins:
The AK worked perfectly, tritium sights included. I shot stage one without using the light at all and hit all the targets fairly fast.

My light, OTOH.

6v Surefire incandescent just couldn't cut the fog/mist on the long range targets. It lit up the mist and was worthless. I'm planning on swapping out the  incandescent bulbs with LED units before the next match.

Inside or at close range, the Surefire is fine but it just was pathetic compared to the narrow beam LED lights that Gunkata and some of the other guys had.

BSW


Do you feel like the night sights made a big difference?
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 6:23:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Greenspan:
Originally Posted By briansmithwins:
The AK worked perfectly, tritium sights included. I shot stage one without using the light at all and hit all the targets fairly fast.

My light, OTOH.

6v Surefire incandescent just couldn't cut the fog/mist on the long range targets. It lit up the mist and was worthless. I'm planning on swapping out the  incandescent bulbs with LED units before the next match.

Inside or at close range, the Surefire is fine but it just was pathetic compared to the narrow beam LED lights that Gunkata and some of the other guys had.

BSW


Do you feel like the night sights made a big difference?


Oh yeah!

One stage 1 and 4 I wasn't using the light for sighting, just for target ID as needed.

Pop the light, ID the target, light off, line up the 3 glowing dot on the target, press trigger, repeat as necessary.

BSW
Link Posted: 12/17/2009 2:25:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Titleist1:
I don't have that issue at all with my 14. I can move and shoot both eyes open.


Wierd, I am right handed and left eye dominate so maybe that has something to it.  I also can't look through an ACOG without closing an eye.  Though it's no issue with an aimpoint.
Link Posted: 12/17/2009 6:07:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By WS4LIF:
Originally Posted By Titleist1:
I don't have that issue at all with my 14. I can move and shoot both eyes open.


Wierd, I am right handed and left eye dominate so maybe that has something to it.  I also can't look through an ACOG without closing an eye.  Though it's no issue with an aimpoint.


I'm right handed and right eye dominant, so I run it on my left eye, keeping my dominant eye adjusted to the dark.
Link Posted: 12/18/2009 6:45:35 PM EDT
My 3v led surefire was not strong enough, or maybe the scope I was using wasn't able to bring in as much light because I could faintly make out the targets looking above the scope, but it was even worse in the scope. Someone had a fenix light and it really worked well, I am looking into those.
Link Posted: 12/18/2009 9:44:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EconBoy:
My 3v led surefire was not strong enough, or maybe the scope I was using wasn't able to bring in as much light because I could faintly make out the targets looking above the scope, but it was even worse in the scope. Someone had a fenix light and it really worked well, I am looking into those.


How many lumens is that surefire?

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