Now Illinois has their own F#@$ING storm troopers!!!!

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Now Illinois has their own F#@$ING storm troopers!!!!

Posted: 6/12/2009 4:05:21 PM EDT

Read me!

Posted: 6/12/2009 4:59:07 PM EDT

[#1]

I feel so much safer. You know these units will never be misused against its' citizens.

Posted: 6/12/2009 5:10:24 PM EDT

[#2]

Show me your papers

Posted: 6/12/2009 5:36:09 PM EDT

[#3]

FWIW there are numerous inter-jurisidctional agencies that allow a mutual aid type arrangement for large scale incidents like riots that could overwhelm a smaller community. Those agencies typically provide two separate response capabilities: SWAT and Riot Control, and several have been around for more than 20 years.

Those are the riot control cops, not HSLD (or psuedo HSLD) "door kickers"; the NSP security grant might have helped create some new agencies, but I'd bet that the various Chiefs who monitor such things simply used them to expand and equip the existing teams.

Nice how they paint the Minutemen - a typically orderly and law-abiding crowd - as the "responsible party" for the callout - not the La Raza and Aztalan types who have been a little more "demonstrative" throughout recent history.

Posted: 6/12/2009 8:27:52 PM EDT

[#4]

I work with ILEAS on almost a daily basis (main office) all of these guys are just normal officers that can be called up. I've been on the receiving end of the an ILEAS call up when the SHTF (nightclub riot) and it is one of the best thing to get. It's something that has been around for a long time, now with better toys.

Posted: 6/12/2009 10:56:23 PM EDT

[#5]

Shoot from the hip descriptions of our law enforcement people as "storm troopers" can have serious consequence!!

When Wayne LaPierre called some feds the very same term, President George H.W. Bush resigned from his NRA Life Membership, which IMHO significantly reduced the pro-gun lobbying efforts in Congress.

If I recall events correctly, I believe that denouncement of all hard-working federal cops caused Bush to sign the early assault weapon importation ban laws.

Posted: 6/13/2009 7:23:56 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
I feel so much safer. You know these units will never be misused against its' citizens.

They are no more likely to be misused then existing police.

Cops have had formal and informal mutual aid agreements as long as there have been cops. That does not worry me a whole lot.

The troubling part is that the feds control it.

Posted: 6/13/2009 7:25:58 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Shoot from the hip descriptions of our law enforcement people as "storm troopers" can have serious consequence!!

When Wayne LaPierre called some feds the very same term, President George H.W. Bush resigned from his NRA Life Membership, which IMHO significantly reduced the pro-gun lobbying efforts in Congress.

If I recall events correctly, I believe that denouncement of all hard-working federal cops caused Bush to sign the early assault weapon importation ban laws.

IIRC, the denouncement was well earned, and was pointed at those that had earned it.

Posted: 6/13/2009 7:59:11 AM EDT

[#8]

Storm Troopers!

They are just cops from a lot of different agencies with some toys. I was at Elgin and C-ville when the Minute Men where there. It was all show, and no go. I would use caution as to who your calling a Storm Trooper. Your really are not in touch with reality if you didn't think critical medical supplies would be heavily guarded in a medical based emergency. Didn't you watch I am Legend?

Bucky145

Posted: 6/13/2009 9:26:29 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Storm Troopers!

They are just cops from a lot of different agencies with some toys. I was at Elgin and C-ville when the Minute Men where there. It was all show, and no go. I would use caution as to who your calling a Storm Trooper. Your really are not in touch with reality if you didn't think critical medical supplies would be heavily guarded in a medical based emergency. Didn't you watch I am Legend?

Bucky145

I doubt nobody here knows how well guarded the state and federal medical stockpiles are protected, even more so when being moved.

Posted: 6/13/2009 9:42:02 AM EDT

[#10]

Ok, I am done stirring the pot.

Trolling, who me? Never!

I just didn't like the way they seemed to be portrayed in the article. The pic made them look like "Jack-Booted-Thugs", I'm sure it's nothing more than media hype.

Posted: 6/13/2009 10:39:33 AM EDT

[#11]

There are not enough cops to stop the scenario they are practicing for...not evan close.

Just saying.

Posted: 6/13/2009 11:19:04 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

There are not enough cops to stop the scenario they are practicing for...not evan close.

Just saying.

In such a hypothetical scenario it depends on who's storming the hospital, doesn't it?

Most of the anti-gun sheeple? Bleat bleat and run away.

ARFCOM? Now that'd be a challenge.

Posted: 6/13/2009 1:11:57 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are not enough cops to stop the scenario they are practicing for...not evan close.

Just saying.

In such a hypothetical scenario it depends on who's storming the hospital, doesn't it?

Most of the anti-gun sheeple? Bleat bleat and run away.

ARFCOM? Now that'd be a challenge.

Yeah, but a stampede of a 100,000 sheep is still a stampede. \lol

And with themselves, and/or loved ones at risk, those very same sheep, wont be sheep anymore.

eta = spelling

Posted: 6/13/2009 1:23:33 PM EDT

[#14]

Whoever thought of this must be watching too much TV.

Another solution in search of a problem.

I say this is a redundancy of existing mutual aid arrangements among proximal agencies.

Or somenone's excuse to buy more toys?

Posted: 6/14/2009 5:44:16 PM EDT

[#15]

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And with themselves, and/or loved ones at risk, those very same sheep, wont be sheep anymore.

Oh they will still be sheep, they will just have a different herder.

Posted: 6/14/2009 6:12:07 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are not enough cops to stop the scenario they are practicing for...not evan close.

Just saying.

In such a hypothetical scenario it depends on who's storming the hospital, doesn't it?

Most of the anti-gun sheeple? Bleat bleat and run away.

ARFCOM? Now that'd be a challenge.

Yeah, but a stampede of a 100,000 sheep is still a stampede. \lol

And with themselves, and/or loved ones at risk, those very same sheep, wont be sheep anymore.

eta = spelling

Grandpa, who spent a few years on the German front, always used to say:

"The riot will end when the people in the back have to step over the bodies of the people who WERE in the front."

Posted: 6/15/2009 5:21:36 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Or somenone's excuse to buy more toys?

I would not be one bit surpised if that is not a big part of it.

Posted: 6/15/2009 7:13:20 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There are not enough cops to stop the scenario they are practicing for...not evan close.

Just saying.

In such a hypothetical scenario it depends on who's storming the hospital, doesn't it?

Most of the anti-gun sheeple? Bleat bleat and run away.

ARFCOM? Now that'd be a challenge.

Yeah, but a stampede of a 100,000 sheep is still a stampede. \lol

And with themselves, and/or loved ones at risk, those very same sheep, wont be sheep anymore.

eta = spelling

Grandpa, who spent a few years on the German front, always used to say:

"The riot will end when the people in the back have to step over the bodies of the people who WERE in the front."

Pandemic zombie riots cant be stopped. Known fact. All Po Po get zombiefied first,

And dont forget the Feds, and local's all trained for a Katrina like scenario, and we know how well that turned out

eta = cant psell

Posted: 6/15/2009 5:02:19 PM EDT

[#19]

They have an ILEAS training center here in Urbana at the old nursing home.

They've got some nice toys there and train regionally.

If their training for their missions are anything like civilian training for personal defense, then I say "have at it, fellas".

John

Posted: 6/15/2009 5:11:40 PM EDT

[#20]

ILEAS is very big in disaster training also, not just for medical suplies but they train agencies on how to respond to tornadoes, explosions, hazmat situations, etc. They have a really nice ICS (incident command) training trailer which they haul around the state to train city/county/state agencies with.

ILEAS is far from storm troopers, I know many officers that are affiliated with them, and have nothing but praise for the training they offer officers and agancies.

Posted: 6/15/2009 6:53:50 PM EDT

[#21]

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Or somenone's excuse to buy more toys?

Actually you're close. They are showing what the grant monies have done for the state. Like in the above posts, they have some very nice toys that can be used to help towns that neither have the personnel or money.

Posted: 6/15/2009 6:56:24 PM EDT

[#22]

What needs to be understood is that the vast majority of police officers love this country and it's traditional values. This is not an organization to fear. These are the guys that will be the responders to the most heinous of all situations. Law and order does not equal facism. There is no such thing as total liberty meaning a psycho does not have the right to take a grade school hostage, but if he does take it hostage, these will be the guys sent to deal with it and I am glad they are there.

Do police abuses exist? Sure. Is it the majority of officers committing them? No way.

Cut these guys some slack and get to know some Cops, most are cool guys that love the same stuff we do. For the pay and the treatment they receive from many of the public at large, it is a wonder any of them want the job at all, but thank god they do.

I know many cops and FF's. It is not easy work.

Posted: 6/15/2009 6:57:34 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Or somenone's excuse to buy more toys?

Actually you're close. They are showing what the grant monies have done for the state. Like in the above posts, they have some very nice toys that can be used to help towns that neither have the personnel or money.

And what's wrong with that? I love it when my boss buys me new trucks and equipment to work with. I have no problem with the law being armed to the teeth.

Posted: 6/17/2009 9:26:39 PM EDT

[#24]

Nothing whatsoever, I have to do it several times a year. It's nice to show that while there is a lot of crappy things in the state it is nice to know that we are the model for other state and federal agencies in many facets.

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